Jays acquire Jesse Chavez

[dineke]

AA was looking at dat ERA when he let Chavez go.

 

Sample size was never a glimmer in his eyes.

 

Eh the guy had 150 major league innings of being bad in his career at that point.

[King]

Jays need to find a setup man and put Sanchez back in the rotation where he belongs. I'm a firm believer in developing your young talent in order to get the best of them when they hit their prime. He's still a kid and I believe with the right coaching and his friendship with Stroman, that he can learn to repeat his delivery and cut down his walk ratio.

 

1. Stroman

2. Estrada

3. Sanchez

4. Dickey

5. Chavez

 

Seeing people willing to give up on a kid who is what? 22 years old? With a sinker and a better than average curve and velocity sitting well above 95? Just makes absolutely zero sense to me. My only problem with the entire thing is that they never spent the time teaching him to repeat his delivery in the minors last year where he belonged. Because if this kid learns command? He has as much of a ceiling as Stroman does. Giving up on a kid who is five years away from the prime of his career as some people are suggesting for peanuts is just completely asinine.

 

I'd also like to see Osuna in the rotation, only if he were to be stretched out to the point where he had more value in the rotation than that of his role as closer. Looking years down the road, I love seeing Stroman, Osuna and Sanchez as our top 3 in the rotation. Pay for an ace at that point and you're going to have a contending team for 5 years or more if management is smart enough to build a team around it that can play good defense and execute the fundamentals of the game. Last piece to that puzzle is to get yourself a manager who can effectively manage his bullpen.

 

This bullcrap of constantly trading your prospects is a roll of the dice that can easily end up with a Phillies debacle. We have most of the pieces we need right now, they just need to develop them properly so when they hit 25 or 26 years old, the ride at the top will last a very long time.

lol

[baloojayz]

Jays need to find a setup man and put Sanchez back in the rotation where he belongs. I'm a firm believer in developing your young talent in order to get the best of them when they hit their prime. He's still a kid and I believe with the right coaching and his friendship with Stroman, that he can learn to repeat his delivery and cut down his walk ratio.

 

1. Stroman

2. Estrada

3. Sanchez

4. Dickey

5. Chavez

 

Seeing people willing to give up on a kid who is what? 22 years old? With a sinker and a better than average curve and velocity sitting well above 95? Just makes absolutely zero sense to me. My only problem with the entire thing is that they never spent the time teaching him to repeat his delivery in the minors last year where he belonged. Because if this kid learns command? He has as much of a ceiling as Stroman does. Giving up on a kid who is five years away from the prime of his career as some people are suggesting for peanuts is just completely asinine.

 

I'd also like to see Osuna in the rotation, only if he were to be stretched out to the point where he had more value in the rotation than that of his role as closer. Looking years down the road, I love seeing Stroman, Osuna and Sanchez as our top 3 in the rotation. Pay for an ace at that point and you're going to have a contending team for 5 years or more if management is smart enough to build a team around it that can play good defense and execute the fundamentals of the game. Last piece to that puzzle is to get yourself a manager who can effectively manage his bullpen.

 

This bullcrap of constantly trading your prospects is a roll of the dice that can easily end up with a Phillies debacle. We have most of the pieces we need right now, they just need to develop them properly so when they hit 25 or 26 years old, the ride at the top will last a very long time.

 

So far I think giving up Syndergaard and Norris are the only two I wouldn't have done and it's very easy to say that looking back. We do need another starter even with Sanchez in the rotation. Not a bad idea to look at spending the 13M or so on a position player/bullpen pieces and hope one of Sanchez/Osuna can make the jump to SP but we still need a guy like Buehrle on a cheap 1 yr contract.

[Spanky99]

The A's can also suppress BABIP because of their huge foul territory. If you want to evaluate a team's run prevention performance, you have to use a park- and league-adjusted RA9.

 

This is what I thought of, when I posted run prevention.

[nextyear]

The A's can also suppress BABIP because of their huge foul territory. If you want to evaluate a team's run prevention performance, you have to use a park- and league-adjusted RA9.

 

Is this stat listed somewhere? To be valid, it would have to include the home park factor for 81 games, and the park factor for each game that a team plays on the road since an AL East team plays more games in the EAST than in the Central and West, plus NL games.

[Spanky99]

lol

[Spanky99]

Somehow, nobody seems to list it. Baseball Reference does some stuff with RA9 but they don't express an adjusted RA9 cleanly for pitchers or teams.

 

It's actually kind of strange. Fangraphs shows an ERA- and people reference it, but they really should just have RA9-. If you're going to make multiple adjustments, why not remove ERA's layer of error too? ERA- doesn't fully describe adjusted run prevention like people think it does.

 

*Beep* *Boop*

[nextyear]

Somehow, nobody seems to list it. Baseball Reference does some stuff with RA9 but they don't express an adjusted RA9 cleanly for pitchers or teams.

 

It's actually kind of strange. Fangraphs shows an ERA- and people reference it, but they really should just have RA9-. If you're going to make multiple adjustments, why not remove ERA's layer of error too? ERA- doesn't fully describe adjusted run prevention like people think it does.

 

Yes, good point. I would prefer park adjusted RA9 since it indicates that it is a team stat that includes runs scored due to errors.

 

I will probably continue to use un-adjusted RA (because it is easy to look up), but when referring to a team such as Colorado Rockies state that their team RA number is inflated due to playing at Coors Field.

[Spanky99]

Somehow, nobody seems to list it. Baseball Reference does some stuff with RA9 but they don't express an adjusted RA9 cleanly for pitchers or teams.

 

It's actually kind of strange. Fangraphs shows an ERA- and people reference it, but they really should just have RA9-. If you're going to make multiple adjustments, why not remove ERA's layer of error too? ERA- doesn't fully describe adjusted run prevention like people think it does.

 

Do you have a formula for this North? This is the closest I could find on FG's site, nothing when I search for it. I just get the FDP listings here...

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/pitching/fdp/

[Spanky99]

Same goes for this link...

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/new-pitcher-value-stats/

[Frag]

Chavez had an odd contact-managing profile during his days in Oakland.

[Cyborg]

Chavez had an odd contact-managing profile during his days in Oakland.

That wasn't a very good article.

[Frag]

That wasn't a very good article.

 

MjwW normally does a good job, but I could see he came to his conclusions before he conducted his analysis. Based off the information he provided, Chavez's K% and BB% improved on the road (and in more hitter-friendly parks), while his HR% increased.

[GD]

Kinda stopped reading BBB.

[Frag]

Kinda stopped reading BBB.

 

Their content is usually fine. I get people's frustration with the site's swearing ban, but the people there are good.

[GD]

Nah I don't mind the swearing ban, I get plenty of that here. The people are pretty great, I just don't really like the content all that much.

[Jimcanuck]

Jays do not have a lefthanded starter.

 

Does it matter? Or is JA Happ a possibility as a fifth starter.

 

Stroman

?

Dickey

Estrada

Happ

 

Depth - Chavez, Hutchison, Sanchez

 

Bump