Jays acquire Jesse Chavez

[nmrch]

Even more disturbing is this pretty much guarantees that Sanchez will continue to be treated as some sort of an ace reliever. And i have a suspicion this will seal Osuna's fate in the bullpen

[Angrioter]

LaCava "Sanchez over Osuna to the rotation"

[Jimcanuck]

Relatively injury free. We lost maybe 40 starts to injury, probably less than average.

 

5Yr Average starts by starter - 33, 31, 24, 22, 17, 11, 9, 6, 4, 3, 3, 2, 1

 

So 39 starts is the average number of starts by the 6th or greater starter

 

Losing your No. 1 and your No. 2 (MB) having a dead arm in the 2nd half..... nah it wasnt "relatively injury free"

[nmrch]

This is just not a good time to sell on Hendriks, the league doesn't know how good he is because that imbecile who calls himself a manager used him as a middle reliever. Just watch Billy Beane flip him next year or the year after for a much better package than Jesse Chavez. I'm f***ing pissed right now, what the hell is Shapiro thinking.

[reedjohnsonfan]

This is just not a good time to sell on Hendriks, the league doesn't know how good he is because that imbecile who calls himself a manager used him as a middle reliever. Just watch Billy Beane flip him next year or the year after for a much better package than Jesse Chavez. I'm f***ing pissed right now, what the hell is Shapiro thinking.

 

Pretty sure teams don't evaluate pitchers based on what inning they were used in...

[Grant77]

5Yr Average starts by starter - 33, 31, 24, 22, 17, 11, 9, 6, 4, 3, 3, 2, 1

 

So 39 starts is the average number of starts by the 6th or greater starter

 

Losing your No. 1 and your No. 2 (MB) having a dead arm in the 2nd half..... nah it wasnt "relatively injury free"

 

If you're going simply by missed starts than Buehrle didn't miss any. It's just a numerical fact. Why get so worked up over it?

 

I'm happy we got some depth and teams use lots of starters. Period.

[Grant77]

Pretty sure teams don't evaluate pitchers based on what inning they were used in...

 

I'm pretty sure that they do.

[nmrch]

I didn't mean to imply that Sanchez should start, he's just horrific in that role. Ideally he should be traded, i don't like him in the bullpen either. Osuna should start, that is pretty much a given. As to how to acquire starting pitching, i feel this way too big of a price. You're not appreciating how valuable Hendriks is.

[nmrch]

Pretty sure teams don't evaluate pitchers based on what inning they were used in...

 

Ofcourse they do, putting up elite numbers as a middle reliever doesn't get you noticed as much as it would if you were a closer or a setup man. People have this idea that GM's around the league are incredibly smart and make decisions in a thorough and analytical manner but perception and reputation matters. If Hendricks was our setup man last year and put up the same numbers, he'd be one of the more sought after controllable relievers in teh league, which is probably what will happen if he has another good year and you know Oakland will use him properly.

[KingKat]

Gibbons wasn't using Hendriks properly and keeping Gibbons around in what was an otherwise tumultuous off-season is probably a good move to give the players a sense of continuity and make them happy. Because of all this it's probably for the best to cash in a good player who might have been wasted again but that being said we have to be prepared for Oakland to make Gibby and the Jays looks silly if and when they do use Hendriks properly. Chavez is not nothing. He will contribute significantly but Hendriks will probably contribute more for Oakland. He might even do it as soon as year one.

[glory]

Osuna's fate was sealed the moment he made the team out of Spring Training. He just spent an entire season as a reliever and reached a career high in innings in the process with around 80 counting the playoffs. The only way he's a SP next season is if they are willing to demote him to AAA so he can stretch out. Otherwise he was always a lock for the pen. AA f***ed him up.

 

if Sanchez has a career at all in the Majors it will be as a reliever, so unless he's traded, the Jays are doing the right thing by keeping him in the pen. Unfortunately, Gibbons thinks he's Betances, so that's not good.

[Jimcanuck]

If you're going simply by missed starts than Buehrle didn't miss any. It's just a numerical fact. Why get so worked up over it?

 

I'm happy we got some depth and teams use lots of starters. Period.

 

not getting worked up. just fixing your misconception

[reedjohnsonfan]

Ofcourse they do, putting up elite numbers as a middle reliever doesn't get you noticed as much as it would if you were a closer or a setup man. People have this idea that GM's around the league are incredibly smart and make decisions in a thorough and analytical manner but perception and reputation matters. If Hendricks was our setup man last year and put up the same numbers, he'd be one of the more sought after controllable relievers in teh league, which is probably what will happen if he has another good year and you know Oakland will use him properly.

 

Totally disagree with you. This isn't 20 years ago where saves was one of the most important statistics. Teams have analytic departments, some GM's like RAJ make poor decisions but in general they know Hendriks was great last year. But, believe whatever you want.

[reedjohnsonfan]

1 year of Chavez is nice and perfect for a team trying to go for it. If he were a FA he'd get multiple years, so I don't know how people could be upset about giving up Hendriks. If anything it's a fair trade and one that a fairly "short term" team like the Jays should make.

[nmrch]

Totally disagree with you. This isn't 20 years ago where saves was one of the most important statistics. Teams have analytic departments, some GM's like RAJ make poor decisions but in general they know Hendriks was great last year. But, believe whatever you want.

 

If Hendriks was valued properly then how the hell did we end up with one year of Jesse f***ing Chavez?

 

I guess we'll agree to disagree.

[Jimcanuck]

this was a sell high on Hendriks for a guy with a better track record

 

understandable trade given the Jays circumstances

 

fair trade

[BTS]

Chavez is only entering his age-32 season. I wonder of the team tries to get him on a multi-year extension. Hendriks is a tough piece to give up though. 4 years of a very good reliever, or possibly a good starter.

 

My first thought is that I don't love this, but if Chavez signs away some free agent years for a reasonable price it could turn out well.

[nmrch]

1 year of Chavez is nice and perfect for a team trying to go for it. If he were a FA he'd get multiple years, so I don't know how people could be upset about giving up Hendriks. If anything it's a fair trade and one that a fairly "short term" team like the Jays should make.

 

Good controllable relievers don't grow on trees, the Jays just filled one hole by creating another.

[Krylian]

Chavez will be this year's Estrada

[labadee]

Not a fan of this deal, but welcome back, chavez

[Jimcanuck]

Good controllable relievers don't grow on trees, the Jays just filled one hole by creating another.

 

They are sometimes available for the likes of Santiago Nessy.

[Grant77]

Chavez is only entering his age-32 season. I wonder of the team tries to get him on a multi-year extension. Hendriks is a tough piece to give up though. 4 years of a very good reliever, or possibly a good starter.

 

My first thought is that I don't love this, but if Chavez signs away some free agent years for a reasonable price it could turn out well.

 

3/25 with option?

[Effit]

I can't say this is my favorite trade in the world, not going to go off the deep end though since I actually have no idea how it will turn out.

[Angrioter]

Good controllable relievers don't grow on trees, the Jays just filled one hole by creating another.

Jays just traded a volatile RP. Calla tu boca de una buena vez

 

Lov u bro!!

[Effit]

Jays just lost a bunch of Aussie fans.

[closetjaysfan]

Shapiro probably sees this trade as a 13 million dollar savings for 2016. To me it is a subtle hint that the FO doesnt favor the free agent market.

[BTS]

3/25 with option?

 

You think it costs 2/20 to buy out his first two free agent years? A few million less would make be a lot more comfortable.

[nmrch]

Jays just traded a volatile RP. Calla tu boca de una buena vez

 

Lov u bro!!

 

interesting logic, how can you be a volatile reliever while only having relieved for a year? All RP's are volatile anyways, it doesn't mean you sell them for 10 cents on the dollar which is what the Jays did right now.

[GD]

Good controllable relievers don't grow on trees, the Jays just filled one hole by creating another.

 

Yeah they kinda do lol

[burlingtonbandit]

Chavez is only entering his age-32 season. I wonder of the team tries to get him on a multi-year extension. Hendriks is a tough piece to give up though. 4 years of a very good reliever, or possibly a good starter.

 

My first thought is that I don't love this, but if Chavez signs away some free agent years for a reasonable price it could turn out well.

 

At the end of the day the trade is still 4 years for 1 though. Its not like its the Dickey trade where he immediately signed a 2/25 extension.