Westhead: Shapiro Told Blue Jays Payroll To Be $140MM+

[Slugger]

Not exactly. Butler actually had a near career high LD% last year, when he sucked. But his batted ball profile has changed. When he got bad he started hitting more groundballs. Obviously, this is terrible when you are the slowest professional athlete that isn't playing darts. BABIP fell and so did his power.

 

Anyway, nothing looks problematic in Edwins batted ball profile.

 

hmm, maybe I confused Butler with someone else. My bad.

[Laika]

hmm, maybe I confused Butler with someone else. My bad.

 

yeah don't be dumb

[burlingtonbandit]

What was his line-drive rate, though? That's more important. We've seen guys like Billy Butler fall of a cliff because of that.

 

I would think looking at swing and miss is more predictive. We also have exit velocity which is used to determine how hard they are hitting the ball, which would be a better reflection of type of contact than line drive rate.

[Stangstag]

People talking about the payroll like it matters to fans. It doesn't. WINNING is what matters. If our payroll was at 90 million and we were able to make the playoffs, the dome would still sell out and the support would be there.

 

Whether the payroll is 180 million or 100 million, the casuals will abandon ship if the team is out of the playoff race by September.

[burlingtonbandit]

People talking about the payroll like it matters to fans. It doesn't. WINNING is what matters. If our payroll was at 90 million and we were able to make the playoffs, the dome would still sell out and the support would be there.

 

Whether the payroll is 180 million or 100 million, the casuals will abandon ship if the team is out of the playoff race by September.

 

Thats true but if the Jays add an extra few million to get a pitcher the hype machine starts and the team sells more tickets. Jays still had good attendance in 2013 even though the team sucked because they sold all those seats in the offseason with the big moves.

[Slugger]

I would think looking at swing and miss is more predictive. We also have exit velocity which is used to determine how hard they are hitting the ball, which would be a better reflection of type of contact than line drive rate.

 

Exit velocity. Even better. I'm too lazy to look his up.

[Spanky99]

Say the Jays upped the payroll to $150m and missed the playoffs in 2016. I would expect an exodus of fans and I really don't get that.

 

If you ask for something and it happens, and the results don't match up with expectations. How can they abandon ship after being provided with what they asked for?

 

Boxy is right, and fair enough, hyperbole at its finest?

[glory]

People talking about the payroll like it matters to fans. It doesn't. WINNING is what matters. If our payroll was at 90 million and we were able to make the playoffs, the dome would still sell out and the support would be there.

 

Whether the payroll is 180 million or 100 million, the casuals will abandon ship if the team is out of the playoff race by September.

 

Yep. Only reason people are whining about $140m is because AA wasn't good enough to win without a payroll that high.

 

Shapiro might be better with less.

[Boxcar]

Tex is the man in NY in 16'

 

Until he gets injured again. Yanks should try to deal him, maybe to SD since Alonso suxxxxx and it would kill your fantasy teams. Bird is too good to be on the bench.

[Spanky99]

Until he gets injured again. Yanks should try to deal him, maybe to SD since Alonso suxxxxx and it would kill your fantasy teams. Bird is too good to be on the bench.

 

K..... Bird Suxxxxxx

Edited November 1, 2015 by Spanky99

[Dr Negative]

Alonso is actually a guy I'd look at acquiring, mostly because the Padres are one of the idiot teams who can be taken advantage of in trades.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

My Seattle Trade should be easy for even the Green Goblin to do and pull off!! Go Green

[burlingtonbandit]

Alonso is actually a guy I'd look at acquiring, mostly because the Padres are one of the idiot teams who can be taken advantage of in trades.

 

Yeah he would be a nice fit for the team. Doesn't strike out much, walks at a good rate and plays really good defense at 1B. He has well below average power for a 1B but this lineup already has a ton of power so its not really needed.

[Maahfaace]

How big is the skill gap between Ryan Goins and Didi Gregorius?

 

I like Goins more as a starting SS than as a starting 2B. I'll say that much. Obviously in an ideal world he's a backup MIF.

 

The gap is huge if you compare nostril flare....

[ElNik2013]

I look forward to Shapiro's moves. I think he will reshape team. I think he will trade EE to get some young talent back. Maybe move Bautista to DH and bet on Saunders and Pompey in OF.

 

Probably save on Revere.

 

We'll see what happens.

[burlingtonbandit]

I look forward to Shapiro's moves. I think he will reshape team. I think he will trade EE to get some young talent back. Maybe move Bautista to DH and bet on Saunders and Pompey in OF.

 

Probably save on Revere.

 

We'll see what happens.

 

Bautista isn't going to accept being a DH. I don't think this is the right time to do it anyway. If his arm is healthy he's not nearly as bad as everyone thinks in RF. He's below average but isn't some black hole at the position. And when you have 8 Plus defensive players at every position around him you can afford to have a bad defensive player in RF.

[Trouba95]

I'm with Georgia...we need to trade Jose and Edwin. Hope they waive their no trade. Right move for the org.

[burlingtonbandit]

I'm with Georgia...we need to trade Jose and Edwin. Hope they waive their no trade. Right move for the org.

 

Hypothetical Q.. Where would they even waive their NTC to approve a trade to?

[SAAviour]

Trading Bautista after the post season he just had would be a hard sell to the fan base. I think signing him for 3 years isn't a huge risk, the guys in amazing shape, I don't think he will fall off a cliff.

 

EE on the other hand is becoming an injury risk and now is the time to move him, if the return is worth it of course.

[Laika]

Trading Bautista after the post season he just had would be a hard sell to the fan base. I think signing him for 3 years isn't a huge risk, the guys in amazing shape, I don't think he will fall off a cliff.

 

EE on the other hand is becoming an injury risk and now is the time to move him, if the return is worth it of course.

 

Edwin is becoming an injury risk? Jose is the guy who had the more serious injury in 2015, in a long-term sense.

[crmr]

Anyone who thinks they're going to blow this team up this year is out of their mind. If they're even decent, they won't blow it up in 2017 either... it's hard to imagine Rogers lets this team go back to mediocrity so easily

[crmr]

Edwin is becoming an injury risk? Jose is the guy who had the more serious injury in 2015, in a long-term sense.

 

We talk a lot here about moving Jose to 1b, but i'm curious what you think (as one of the better posters) of moving him to LF instead and getting rid of Revere? Obviously a bit of a defensive hole but his bat plays up more there and lets us keep a more potent lineup

[Trouba95]

We need young pitching! If any above avg pitcher is available...do it in a heartbeat.

[burlingtonbandit]

We talk a lot here about moving Jose to 1b, but i'm curious what you think (as one of the better posters) of moving him to LF instead and getting rid of Revere? Obviously a bit of a defensive hole but his bat plays up more there and lets us keep a more potent lineup

 

Why would you move a player from RF to LF when he his only asset is his plus plus arm? LF you want to have the guy with more range.

[ElNik2013]

Bautista isn't going to accept being a DH. I don't think this is the right time to do it anyway. If his arm is healthy he's not nearly as bad as everyone thinks in RF. He's below average but isn't some black hole at the position. And when you have 8 Plus defensive players at every position around him you can afford to have a bad defensive player in RF.

 

 

Probably not, especially when he'll be a FA after the season. Maybe if they come to an agreement on an extension.

 

I definitely think Shapiro will make a move to restock the farm system this off season. Maybe sell high on Pillar?

 

Good thing is, under him, Cleveland acquired a guy like Kluber so it'll be interesting to follow.

[burlingtonbandit]

Edwin is becoming an injury risk? Jose is the guy who had the more serious injury in 2015, in a long-term sense.

 

A sports hernia is a pretty serious injury? Didn't he also tear his quad last year? EE certainly has the body that "looks" like it would break down more with age than Jose's.

[SAAviour]

A sports hernia is a pretty serious injury? Didn't he also tear his quad last year? EE certainly has the body that "looks" like it would break down more with age than Jose's.

 

Yup, that's how I feel.

[Laika]

We talk a lot here about moving Jose to 1b, but i'm curious what you think (as one of the better posters) of moving him to LF instead and getting rid of Revere? Obviously a bit of a defensive hole but his bat plays up more there and lets us keep a more potent lineup

 

There isn't really a discernible offensive difference between LF and RF, and the defensive positional adjustment is essentially the same. Between LF and RF, the guy with the better arm should be in RF and that's just about the only relevant consideration.

 

I've seen plus grades put on Pompey's arm. If Bautista's shoulder injury from this year becomes a chronic thing then maybe it would make sense to have him in left and Pompey in right. If his shoulder is healthy though then he should stay in RF. His arm is his best defensive asset, so they need to align the defense to leverage that.

[burlingtonbandit]

Probably not, especially when he'll be a FA after the season. Maybe if they come to an agreement on an extension.

 

I definitely think Shapiro will make a move to restock the farm system this off season. Maybe sell high on Pillar?

 

Good thing is, under him, Cleveland acquired a guy like Kluber so it'll be interesting to follow.

 

Pillar is exactly the type of player Shapiro would want to keep. Undervalued by most teams because of his defense, still has 5 years of control left, why move him?

 

Seems there are people on the board making a lot of statements like we should trade "x" player because of this! It doesn't and shouldn't work like that. Everyone is obviously available for trade for the right price but have to remember that if you trade a player like Pillar, Bautista, Tulo or whoever that you have to replace that player with close to equal production unless you want to make the team a lot worse next year.

 

I'm not sure taking wins away from the team next year is a good strategy unless you are getting a massive massive upgrade in the future.

[Laika]

A sports hernia is a pretty serious injury? Didn't he also tear his quad last year? EE certainly has the body that "looks" like it would break down more with age than Jose's.

 

How is a sports hernia serious?

 

Any 30+ year old athlete will have a string of hamstring or quad strains on their resume. I don't think Edwin's finger injury from this year sounds like anything that will persist. The thing to be a bit more concerned with IMO is Bautista's mysterious weird shoulder thing from earlier this year. That thing went on for weeks and weeks and was even characterized at times as a "quality of life" issue than rose above baseball.