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And the other guy may still be right, so it's even dumber.

Most cast iron is cheap just buy one. You can easily GENTLY scrub with chainmail if things get stuck (every few uses I find). Easy to keep it clean and coated by burning off bits (put it at med-high til it just starts to smoke) and just keep it oiled (any type of oil really works fine) - brush it with a bit and leave stove on 5 for a couple mins and you'll see it cling. Someone mentioned the oven too, can do that, but its not necessary. Just regularly clean it with water and oil it

As a teacher once told me, quality over quantity!

Thanks for the thread. I remember when all the headline news was posted on the forum, now its all these prediction threads. Will really hurt them if he's hurt, that's for sure.

Given their original contract offer, it doesn't really seem like they expecting a big decline. They just misplayed the market, there's really no denying that. Now whether the team is better or not as a result is a whole other question

Because JD would probably say no to that?

The way salary inflation is going he's probably going to end up making more money in the next four years, btw.

Why do so many people fail to understand Edwin is 1 player and keep comparing him to 3? You don't know anything about how money could be allocated, $20 not spend on Edwin doesn't mean there's $20 million to spend

I think this is a good thread. I really think they expected to get Fowler, and underestimated what most other past GM's for the Jays have said, which is that it's not that easy to get guys in Toronto. It was a tough first off season for them, they read the market horribly and I really think, whether planned or not, they should be entering a rebuild immediately. However, they would get run out of town for doing that so they're in a somewhat precarious position. Best hope for this team is that they're awful in the first half next year and can unload some players (they have plenty of assets) Longer term, I'm hoping that Shapiro/Atkins can do a better job of bringing in FA's, which is pretty important to succeed, especially in the AL EAst, given they likely won't be picking dead last every year like some of the better low-budget success stories of late

Perhaps they should have made that more clear?

It sounds like they didn't tell him they were moving on

They completely misplayed the market, how is that good for them? Hard to speculate, but the way the dh market is looking now, Morales could have been looking at a 1 year deal to keep food on the table

At least one management team knows how to spend when they're competitive pathetic really, looks like Cleveland got rid of the right people

To be fair some of those factors are probably the most important piece of a team's valuation. I actually liked how Dinger adjusted McCutchen's war to see how that affected the value. You could also, for example, reduce the $/war value (effectively discounting future years value) to see if a lot of Quintana's surplus comes in future years, it would be a simple adjustment to his very nice table. In our past exchange we touched on it, but sometimes taking these values as gospel rather than recognizing a huge uncertainty plagues the forum. Regarding how they see their spot in the win curve, it seems most team care about that a lot. That particular point is pertinent this offseason on a Blue Jays forum, as they seem to be not doing it at all... I do agree, despite almost always defending RJF that his targeted question approach was the wrong one! Anyway, on net I think this thread has been a good one, as long as you delete page 3!

I never thought about the Jays much, as I think Pittsburgh is the one who don't do that deal. Lots of extra things to think about when you actually pull the trigger obviously, such as Mccutchen upside, win curve position, war timing and so on. I'll have to look more into these prospect valuations... I'm more interested now, thx