Alex Anthopoulos Departing

[baubau]

There would be a better chance Carlos Correa is our SS next season.

 

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[ElNik2013]

Deep down, neither side wanted to continue working together so I don't see how AA would change his mind and Rogers rightfully gave full authority on baseball ops to the new team president.

 

I really don't get why so many are up in arms about this one way or the other. AA got the message last off season that he wasn't the long term guy, or at the very least, that his employer wasn't happy with his work. And on the other hand, a new team president has and should have the right to review everything about the franchise and make changes accordingly.

[glory]

Deep down, neither side wanted to continue working together so I don't see how AA would change his mind and Rogers rightfully gave full authority on baseball ops to the new team president.

 

I really don't get why so many are up in arms about this one way or the other. AA got the message last off season that he wasn't the long term guy, or at the very least, that his employer wasn't happy with his work. And on the other hand, a new team president has and should have the right to review everything about the franchise and make changes accordingly.

 

I agree. Rogers had every right to look elsewhere when they were investing so much money on a team that wasn't reaping any type of financial rewards until after they had already decided to sign Shapiro. AA had every right to leave as well since they wanted him and his mentor gone a year ago, and weren't going to give him full control over Shapiro this time around.

 

Casual fans are butt hurt because they didn't suffer through the losing. They just hopped on in August and think Alex is amazing because of it.

[Ehjays]

Overreactions going against AA and Shapiro. Nothing wrong with AA moving on and nothing wrong with Shapiro changing the org's view from trying to make the playoffs at all cost to a longer term approach.

 

I think AA was trying to fulfill the previous team president's goal/promise of making the playoffs during his tenure plus you could understand his having some loyalty to the guy that gave him his chance as well as getting the message last off season when Rogers pursued Kenny Williams and offered Hoffman + for Dan Duquette both of whom would run the baseball operations.

 

Rogers did get lucky though that Reinsdorf was friends with Beeston and wouldn't let Kenny Williams go and that Angelos is a maniac.

 

Furthermore, Rogers got even luckier that AA made the moves he did and left the team as favourites going into next season with lots of revenue and interest.

 

AA should be able to find a job elsewhere after this past season so this recent success probably played a role as well.

 

We didn't offer that, thats what Angelos wanted.

[ElNik2013]

I agree. Rogers had every right to look elsewhere when they were investing so much money on a team that wasn't reaping any type of financial rewards until after they had already decided to sign Shapiro. AA had every right to leave as well since they wanted him and his mentor gone a year ago, and weren't going to give him full control over Shapiro this time around.

 

Casual fans are butt hurt because they didn't suffer through the losing. They just hopped on in August and think Alex is amazing because of it.

 

All the losing wasn't AA's doing though. I was personally fine with not trying to win from 2010-2012 given what was being done with the farm system as well as acquisitions such as Escobar, Rasmus, Morrow and Lawrie.

 

AA wasn't amazing, but he wasn't the terrible GM many make him out to be.

[ElNik2013]

We didn't offer that, thats what Angelos wanted.

 

It's suspicious to me that negotiations dragged on for as long as they did. Better lucky than good I say.

[ElNik2013]

I agree. Rogers had every right to look elsewhere when they were investing so much money on a team that wasn't reaping any type of financial rewards until after they had already decided to sign Shapiro. AA had every right to leave as well since they wanted him and his mentor gone a year ago, and weren't going to give him full control over Shapiro this time around.

 

Casual fans are butt hurt because they didn't suffer through the losing. They just hopped on in August and think Alex is amazing because of it.

 

 

Also, it's also dumb of Rogers to have made up their mind about the team Prez and GM yet allow them to make the moves they allowed them to make for the last year of their tenure. Once again, better lucky than good.

[burlingtonbandit]

Heyman with an article on the matter. Seems like Shapiro didn't even credit AA for the season they had.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25359355/inside-baseball-anthopoulos-gutty-call-was-over-personality-clash-more-notes

 

Shapiro apparently thought he was providing sufficient support. But after working 24-hour days for months, Anthopoulos, undoubtedly fried, probably needed some pats on the back. A friend of his outside the organization suggested he felt was being constantly told he's no good.

 

Shapiro, a brilliant man who normally chooses his words precisely, at one point was said to have discussed the lack of top prospects at the upper levels and the need to replenish the coffers following the big, season-altering trades, and Anthopoulos apparently took that as a slap. Shapiro and Anthopoulos both declined to talk for this article, but one other person familiar with the situation said he understood why Anthopoulos felt the way he did; that person said he believed Shapiro wasn't especially complimentary, especially considering the wonderful run the Blue Jays were on.

 

Perhaps Shapiro thought he was being pro-active in discussing the issues the club faced going forward. However, his remarks were received as unnecessary criticism. Another person with Blue Jays connections suggested that the erudite, Princeton-educated Shapiro, perhaps unintentionally, came off as smug, especially considering the Indians have had very solid, though not always spectacular, results in a very small market, and a less-than-stellar overall farm record (they made their hay with some very good trades). One other Jays person remarked, regarding Shapiro, "I didn't see his rings. Maybe they didn't get past the border."

[ElNik2013]

Heyman with an article on the matter. Seems like Shapiro didn't even credit AA for the season they had.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25359355/inside-baseball-anthopoulos-gutty-call-was-over-personality-clash-more-notes

 

 

 

Not surprised at all. Shapiro has no ties to the 22-year playoff drought, he's trying to objectively look at the the 2016 Jays and beyond. He may have needed to put things in context, but such is life when a new Prez is brought in.

 

I can definitely see AA's side though given his mandate as GM was likely changed after the 2012 season into win-now mode. Move on,

[burlingtonbandit]

Other interesting tidbits from that article is Lacava is likely to be named interim GM and Gibbons will return in 2016.

[art_vandelay275]

Other interesting tidbits from that article is Lacava is likely to be named interim GM and Gibbons will return in 2016.

 

"One other Jays person remarked, regarding Shapiro, "I didn't see his rings. Maybe they didn't get past the border."

 

whoa nelly!!

[dineke]

Seems like AA was being a little bitch.

[burlingtonbandit]

Seems like AA was being a little bitch.

 

lol doesn't seem like that at all.

[Inklink]

Seems like AA was being a little bitch.

 

Seems like Shapiro IS a bitch.

[AdamGreenwood]

Realistically though,

 

If we had failed to make the playoffs this year, or even if we had been knocked out in the wildcard, no one would actually mind AA departing.

[dineke]

Seems like Shapiro IS a bitch.

 

So Shapiro had some criticism... AA should be a man and realize his org wasn't perfect.

[ElNik2013]

Seems like AA was being a little bitch.

 

 

Why? He's just GM'ed the team to its first playoff appearance in 22 years, thus fulfilling the mandate set out by his previous boss and new team president comes in and forgets to add context to his evaluations, seems to me it's best to move on.

 

Thing is, I also don't have an issue with Shapiro reviewing the organization from a long-term point of view.

 

I guess those who have an anti-AA bias will blame him and those who had a pro-AA bias will criticize Shapiro.

 

 

Anyway...

[Governator]

The thing I don't get is why AA would walk when his contract had a 1 year opt-out clause. I get that no one can force him to sign, but this was his team and maybe he could have learned a thing or two from Shapiro. Worse case he could have taken the high road after giving it a shot and then saying we're just not a good fit.

[burlingtonbandit]

The thing I don't get is why AA would walk when his contract had a 1 year opt-out clause. I get that no one can force him to sign, but this was his team and maybe he could have learned a thing or two from Shapiro. Worse case he could have taken the high road after giving it a shot and then saying we're just not a good fit.

 

Thats why everyone is speculating there is something that happened that we don't know about.

[Boogerloo]

I agree. Rogers had every right to look elsewhere when they were investing so much money on a team that wasn't reaping any type of financial rewards until after they had already decided to sign Shapiro. AA had every right to leave as well since they wanted him and his mentor gone a year ago, and weren't going to give him full control over Shapiro this time around.

 

Casual fans are butt hurt because they didn't suffer through the losing. They just hopped on in August and think Alex is amazing because of it.

 

Im not a casual fan, I would not mind if AA was given the keys to the castle.

 

I have been lurking in this forum since it was born. Was even lurking the old one. Seems like there is a majority of posters here who thinks they are better "fans" than the avg Joe because they know fancy smanshy moneyball supersaber numbers. I say let as many bandwagon jumpers with all their opinions jump for the ride. Without these casual fans taking interest we could end up like the Expos.

[Jimcanuck]

AA may not have been a little bitch, but it seems he was was rather sensitive.

 

Expect he will regret the rash decision.

[Stangstag]

"One other Jays person remarked, regarding Shapiro, "I didn't see his rings. Maybe they didn't get past the border."

 

whoa nelly!!

 

Comments like this make me unbelievably angry.

 

Basically saying teams like the Rangers, Tigers, Dodgers are trash because they haven't won a WS title in a long time. Like f*** off.

[Slugger]

I'm tired of hearing about the "first time in 22 years!" That's irrelevant. The only thing that's relevant is what happened within Alex's 6 years as GM.

[Stangstag]

I'm tired of hearing about the "first time in 22 years!" That's irrelevant. The only thing that's relevant is what happened within Alex's 6 years as GM.

 

Exactly

[Boogerloo]

Why? He's just GM'ed the team to its first playoff appearance in 22 years, thus fulfilling the mandate set out by his previous boss and new team president comes in and forgets to add context to his evaluations, seems to me it's best to move on.

 

Thing is, I also don't have an issue with Shapiro reviewing the organization from a long-term point of view.

 

I guess those who have an anti-AA bias will blame him and those who had a pro-AA bias will criticize Shapiro.

 

 

Anyway...

 

Thats the thing. The AA bashers making it sound like AA was the second coming of Stu Jackson.

 

All these haters were probably jerking off to epicJays run. I know I was.

[BTS]

Comments like this make me unbelievably angry.

 

Basically saying teams like the Rangers, Tigers, Dodgers are trash because they haven't won a WS title in a long time. Like f*** off.

 

Using WS titles as the barometer for success of a GM is stupid. Teams don't operate on a level playing field, and the playoffs are a crapshoot. Whoever said that is probably very dumn.

[Boogerloo]

I'm tired of hearing about the "first time in 22 years!" That's irrelevant. The only thing that's relevant is what happened within Alex's 6 years as GM.

 

22 years is relevant. Not just for the fans but for Rogers' coffers. AA 6 years was way better that any post 93 GM. The team was 2 games away from the WS. Think about that..

[Stangstag]

22 years is relevant. Not just for the fans but for Rogers' coffers. AA 6 years was way better that any post 93 GM. The team was 2 games away from the WS. Think about that..

 

Compare the payroll from this year to the last 20 years. Make no mistake, THAT is the reason AA was able to build a great team.

[Boogerloo]

Realistically though,

 

If we had failed to make the playoffs this year, or even if we had been knocked out in the wildcard, no one would actually mind AA departing.

 

I would mind. He got Price, Tulo, Donaldson Revere, Travis to give the team a shot. I would have like to see what he would have done to keep the momentum going.

[ElNik2013]

I could swear some here have given Cashman plenty of credit for his success yet blast AA for not winning with a top 10 payroll.

 

 

I could be wrong though...believe it or not, it's happened before!