Alex Anthopoulos Departing

[L54]

Hey, do any of you think Price's agent talked to Shapiro and said Gibby was awful, and I want to sign, but only if he's gone?

 

No.

[TheHurl]

I have no idea where he heard it from but one of my friends said that Shapiro after getting hired made some jokes about how AA insisted they take Gomes.

[KingKat]

Brunt mentionned that Lacava has experience working with Shapiro. Optics wise that's probably the best move for Shapiro and the Jays. Lacava was actually in the org before AA, I doubt he would have any qualms about leaping over him.

[glory]

My biggest concern is the drafting and draft strategies. AA built a great farm, depleted it, but built a great one. But I think more credit is due to Tinnish LaCava and the rest of the guys below. So hopefully for the most part that remains the same. With what those guys have done, it would be stupid to try and remove them or let them walk

 

AA's drafting before the new CBA was great. Honest question, since the draft pool/slot system was implemented, has his drafting been anything special? The CBA change was huge as every advantage AA had with drafting and signing international talent basically vanished.

[admin]

Brunt mentionned that Lacava has experience working with Shapiro. Optics wise that's probably the best move for Shapiro and the Jays. Lacava was actually in the org before AA, I doubt he would have any qualms about leaping over him.

 

Wasn't it LaCava years ago that said he didn't want to be GM, that he liked his role and didn't want to change?

[fatcowxlive]

Apparently Friedman has reached out to AA about some sort of FO role with the Dodgers

[admin]

AA's drafting before the new CBA was great. Honest question, since the draft pool/slot system was implemented, has his drafting been anything special? The CBA change was huge as every advantage AA had with drafting and signing international talent basically vanished.

 

I was say for sure. First he raped the system when it was first in place by signing a ton of low dollar guys to make space. It was brilliant. It's too early to judge the last couple years.

[Krylian]

I'm really looking forward to information on payroll. Would Shapiro have come here without an indication that he'd have better support than he did in Cleveland? I doubt it.

 

Even if the payroll drops to $100M that's better than what he had in Cleveland.

[Krylian]

Apparently Friedman has reached out to AA about some sort of FO role with the Dodgers

 

Of course he has.

[Brownie19]

I was say for sure. First he raped the system when it was first in place by signing a ton of low dollar guys to make space. It was brilliant. It's too early to judge the last couple years.

 

I agree. AA found the loop hole in the old CBA and exploited it. He was also one of the first to grab a bunch of 4 year guys at low dollars to make space....it seems some are copying that already - but really at the end of the day it's too early to know if that's successful.

[Grant77]

Wasn't it LaCava years ago that said he didn't want to be GM, that he liked his role and didn't want to change?

 

I'm not certain that his role would change, only his title. It's obvious that Shapiro wants to be the man when it comes to your typical GM duties.

[admin]

I agree. AA found the loop hole in the old CBA and exploited it. He was also one of the first to grab a bunch of 4 year guys at low dollars to make space....it seems some are copying that already - but really at the end of the day it's too early to know if that's successful.

 

Too early to tell if it's successful, but the fact we acquired more top 200 'prospects' compared to other teams, I would say that's a success.

[KingKat]

Wasn't it LaCava years ago that said he didn't want to be GM, that he liked his role and didn't want to change?

 

I'm not aware of that. I know Butterfield has talked about not really wanting to be a manager. I don't know if LaCava doesn't want to be GM but he clearly has never felt like he HAD to be GM. That much is obvious from how long he's been around.

[THANOS]

My biggest concern is the drafting and draft strategies. AA built a great farm, depleted it, but built a great one. But I think more credit is due to Tinnish LaCava and the rest of the guys below. So hopefully for the most part that remains the same. With what those guys have done, it would be stupid to try and remove them or let them walk

 

This is my biggest worry; that their contributions go unnoticed and are replaced by "Shapiro" guys, who have proven to suck at drafting and development. I like the saber approach to pitching, with strikeouts being championed, but that shouldn't be used on raw high school/college draftees who don't even understand their own mechanics, let alone pitchability.

[crmr]

I'm really looking forward to information on payroll. Would Shapiro have come here without an indication that he'd have better support than he did in Cleveland? I doubt it.

 

Ya but it's 100% that he would have more money here so we don't get any information from that

 

I still like this move only because it seems to spell the end of Gibby. I defended Gibby a fair amount during the season, but if we're a playoff team (and I think we are for next year), you really can't have him managing the team

[G-Snarls]

Apparently Friedman has reached out to AA about some sort of FO role with the Dodgers

 

Source??

[Stangstag]

It's gonna be funny to see the casuals cause a shitstorm on Twitter when we don't re-sign Price or Estrada. And when we get rid of Edwin/Bautista.

 

Hopefully the team makes to playoffs next year, or Shapiro will unjustly be one of the most hated men in Toronto.

[Krylian]

Source??

 

Blair mentioned it on his show. Said that's what he's heard from sources.

[fatcowxlive]

Source??

 

Jeff Blair on 590

[crmr]

It's gonna be funny to see the casuals cause a shitstorm on Twitter when we don't re-sign Price or Estrada. And when we get rid of Edwin/Bautista.

 

Hopefully the team makes to playoffs next year, or Shapiro will unjustly be one of the most hated men in Toronto.

 

Getting rid of Edwin or Bautista are not good ideas. If he gets rid of them he will be justly hated in the city. Should try to re-sign them again to team friendly deals, since they're both relatively old. I just wonder with Jose and whether or not he's willing to move to 1b/dh, in my opinion Edwin should be an easy sign

[IBTrini]

People aren't even thinking about why AA would decline. Let's not forget that Shapiro did not force him to leave but rather AA made a choice. Obviously, Shapiro's modern way of analysing the game didn't jive with AA. Shapiro likely wanted a larger stat department that is actually used for meaningful things and to reduce the reliance on subjective scout analysis.

 

If AA left, in my mind it means that he was not on board with these things and so I'm kind of glad he left. This is not a bad day for the Toronto Blue Jays.

This news took me completely by surprise so I am a tad shook up at the moment. To say people are not even thinking about why AA would decline is not true at all. Maybe they are not jumping to conclusions like some other individuals are doing on here. At this time no one know what was put forward so to say you are glad he left based on your assumption that they did not agree on some modern way of analysing the game is weird. Maybe I missed that article and I am thinking of different scenarios for the declined offer without having the facts as well.

 

If Anthopoulos was told that he would not have the autonomy (which allowed him to be successful) he enjoyed previously then I can see that coming into play. If he was told he would need to pass along any and all information before talking to any other GM then essentially he was told his hands would be tied. Since I do not have all of the facts I cannot look to find fault with any of the parties involved but I sure feel the organization just took a big blow with this one.

 

People are definitely thinking about valid reasons which would make Anthopoulos decline and are hoping to get additional information about it. Somehow I do not think the fan base will ever get to the bottom of this one which is sad to say the least.

 

I may be wrong but I think Anthopoulos is good at his job and was now starting to hit his stride. Anyway, I do wish him the very best wherever he ends up.

[King]

Interesting read. Lots of dum ITT.

[KingKat]

EE and Jose are 10/5 guys. Trying to trade them with one year remaining on the deals doesn't seem like a very productice avenue.

[Stangstag]

Getting rid of Edwin or Bautista are not good ideas. If he gets rid of them he will be justly hated in the city. Should try to re-sign them again to team friendly deals, since they're both relatively old. I just wonder with Jose and whether or not he's willing to move to 1b/dh, in my opinion Edwin should be an easy sign

 

I'd say Edwin probably signs and Bautista walks. Shapiro won't sign Bautista without a gaurantee that he'll move to 1B, and Bautista is too proud/arrogant to make that move IMO.

[crmr]

The real question is here is AA+Gibby versus Manager+new GM,

 

I'm feeling like Gibby is probably a big enough negative (mostly based on his playoff decision making) to make it worthwhile. I'm sure Shapiro was cringing during the playoffs too

[THANOS]

Hey guys I have a strong feeling that the main "philosophical" difference was Shapiro wanted Alex to fire Gibby and Alex refused.

[BTS]

This is my biggest worry; that their contributions go unnoticed and are replaced by "Shapiro" guys, who have proven to suck at drafting and development. I like the saber approach to pitching, with strikeouts being championed, but that shouldn't be used on raw high school/college draftees who don't even understand their own mechanics, let alone pitchability.

 

Have they proven to suck at drafting and development?

 

Drafted

Kipnis

Lindor

Chisenhall

Perez

Allen

Anderson

Tomlin

 

Acquired as prospect

Brantley

Santana

Gomes

Kluber

Carrasco

Bauer

McAllister

 

signed as amateur

Ramirez

Salazar

 

That's a boatload of talent developed by them that contributed meaningfully to their 2015 roster.

[Stangstag]

Hey guys I have a strong feeling that the main "philosophical" difference was Shapiro wanted Alex to fire Gibby and Alex refused.

 

Yeah that could also be it. Or it could be that AA was angry at how Rogers handled the Beeston firing.

[Governator]

Even if the payroll drops to $100M that's better than what he had in Cleveland.

 

I think all indication prior to Aug. 31st was payroll was going to drop, AA would be fired and the team would be blown up. Shapiro was the right man for that job too, now I can't see Rogers wanting the team gone in fear of losing it's new acquired fan base. AA walking is already stirring the pot a lot.

[BigCecil]

It's gonna be funny to see the casuals cause a shitstorm on Twitter when we don't re-sign Price or Estrada. And when we get rid of Edwin/Bautista.

 

Hopefully the team makes to playoffs next year, or Shapiro will unjustly be one of the most hated men in Toronto.

 

It still shocks me how many new fans say to me "I hope we sign Price...he likes it in TOR".

 

Any casual that can look up ages online and do simple math can add up the cost of Martin; Tulo ; Jose 2017 ;JD post arb; Edwin 2017 etc etc and know we are not signing Price and probably not Estrada.