Offseason Roster Thread

[HERPDERP]

Really? Why? He suxxx?

 

cause

 

and before his current wife

 

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[burlingtonbandit]

Penny has one of those deals where he can f*** off if he doesn't make the team out of spring training. I wouldn't really want him to make the team so whatever.

 

Is he fine with being a reliever?

[Grant77]

Really? Why? He suxxx?

 

He still throws 94 apparently, so I guess there is some hope as a reliever. Better than Scott Copeland anyways.

[burlingtonbandit]

He still throws 94 apparently, so I guess there is some hope as a reliever. Better than Scott Copeland anyways.

 

Does he want to be a reliever though? Not really a depth signing since he won't go to the minors if he doesn't make the team.

[Grant77]

Does he want to be a reliever though? Not really a depth signing since he won't go to the minors if he doesn't make the team.

 

I don't know, but it's not a foregone conclusion that he'll leave. Guys with no shot at a big league deal often just want to be next in line on the depth chart.

[tazsub3]

I don't know, but it's not a foregone conclusion that he'll leave. Guys with no shot at a big league deal often just want to be next in line on the depth chart.

 

And in all fairness where better then toronto, with stars like chavez and happ and hutch in the rotation, he sure has hope not to be as bad as them

[Jimcanuck]

And in all fairness where better then toronto, with stars like chavez and happ and hutch in the rotation, he sure has hope not to be as bad as them

 

Hutch made the rotation?

 

Right now it's Stroman, Dickey, Estrada, Happ, Chavez. Hutch has a chance to supplant Chavez with a strong spring. The other 4 are locks. It's probably an AL average rotation, which might be sufficient for the ALE, with that offence. Would like to see an upgrade on the #2 starter.

[Maahfaace]

Hutch made the rotation?

 

Right now it's Stroman, Dickey, Estrada, Happ, Chavez. Hutch has a chance to supplant Chavez with a strong spring. The other 4 are locks. It's probably an AL average rotation, which might be sufficient for the ALE, with that offence. Would like to see an upgrade on the #2 starter.

 

I expect Dickey and Estrada to take a step back this year, and for Happ to revert to his 1 - 1.5 WARish nature. This rotation will more than likely be below average as constructed.

[Stangstag]

I expect Dickey and Estrada to take a step back this year, and for Happ to revert to his 1 - 1.5 WARish nature. This rotation will more than likely be below average as constructed.

 

Love the optimism!

[Chappy]

I expect Dickey and Estrada to take a step back this year, and for Happ to revert to his 1 - 1.5 WARish nature. This rotation will more than likely be below average as constructed.

 

This rotation should be sufficient with our lineup as long as the pen is properly addressed. An upgrade to the rotation would be nice but not necessary Imo.

[Spanky99]

Hmmm... that's a nice deal for both Kuma and the Mariners. Vesting options for 17' and 18'. Win-win for both sides.

[OBPlover]

I'm going to make a bold prediction....

 

I predict that Chavez wins the SP5 job and emerges as the 1st or 2nd best pitcher for the Jays in 2016.

 

I watched every single one of Chavez's starts in 2015, due to having him on my fantasy team. This guy was the very definition of unlucky. Not only concerning FIP being lower than his ERA. But do you know how many borderline pitches did NOT go his way? Than it seems like he just got frustrated and lost focus.

 

Give him plenty of run support to bolster his confidence, good defense which the Jays should have and an excellent pitch framer to get those borderline calls. Assuming he stays healthy, I don't think he falls off a truck like in the second half last year. I think he maintains an ERA under 3.50.

[burlingtonbandit]

Im curios to see how they line up the rotation this year. Didn't Estrada pitch the day after Dickey last year? Could be part of the reason he had a great year.

 

Did anyone do a study about the Dickey effect this year? I know Breakingblue did a fantastic one a couple of years ago.

[KingKat]

I'm going to make a bold prediction....

 

I predict that Chavez wins the SP5 job and emerges as the 1st or 2nd best pitcher for the Jays in 2016.

 

I watched every single one of Chavez's starts in 2015, due to having him on my fantasy team. This guy was the very definition of unlucky. Not only concerning FIP being lower than his ERA. But do you know how many borderline pitches did NOT go his way? Than it seems like he just got frustrated and lost focus.

 

Give him plenty of run support to bolster his confidence, good defense which the Jays should have and an excellent pitch framer to get those borderline calls. Assuming he stays healthy, I don't think he falls off a truck like in the second half last year. I think he maintains an ERA under 3.50.

 

That's not crazy. He's a good pitcher. I could see him being this year's version of Estrada.

[CHRIS]

That's not crazy. He's a good pitcher. I could see him being this year's version of Estrada.

 

I would like to see both him and Estrada be this year's version of Estrada. Can't have too many 2015 Estradas!

[Nafro]

I'm going to make a bold prediction....

 

I predict that Chavez wins the SP5 job and emerges as the 1st or 2nd best pitcher for the Jays in 2016.

 

I watched every single one of Chavez's starts in 2015, due to having him on my fantasy team. This guy was the very definition of unlucky. Not only concerning FIP being lower than his ERA. But do you know how many borderline pitches did NOT go his way? Than it seems like he just got frustrated and lost focus.

 

Give him plenty of run support to bolster his confidence, good defense which the Jays should have and an excellent pitch framer to get those borderline calls. Assuming he stays healthy, I don't think he falls off a truck like in the second half last year. I think he maintains an ERA under 3.50.

 

Dude you're fantasy hard core..every one of his starts... that's awesome.

[puphood]

Hutch made the rotation?

 

Right now it's Stroman, Dickey, Estrada, Happ, Chavez. Hutch has a chance to supplant Chavez with a strong spring. The other 4 are locks. It's probably an AL average rotation, which might be sufficient for the ALE, with that offence. Would like to see an upgrade on the #2 starter.

 

Going on last years effort I see Stroman and Estrada as the only locks with this rotation. No such thing as a lock with rest of this rotation the rest could easily switch around, and Hutch could put it together this year the only thing they all have in common is inconsistence. The only thing that will keep this rotation in the game is the offence at the plate and defence behind the mound.....I hope I am wrong

[glory]

I don't think the Jays traded a cheap BP piece like Hendriks for a long reliever. They view Chavez as a starter, as they should. Unless Hutch or Sanchez show up to spring training looking like Carlos Carrasco, the rotation is already set. I'm guessing they planned on Petit being the long man/6th SP before he chose the Nats.

[Stoneyen]

I think that Hutch could have a huge bounce back year. Obviously he's way better than the mid 5s ERA from last year with that huge BABIP, but even beyond that I really hope his strikeouts return. Looking at the stats it seems like the biggest change was in O-contact % from 62.7% in 2014 to 70% last year. I don't know if thats a skill that stabilizes quickly, but league average was around 65-66% so he could benefit from that a bit, maybe?

[KingKat]

I don't think the Jays traded a cheap BP piece like Hendriks for a long reliever. They view Chavez as a starter, as they should. Unless Hutch or Sanchez show up to spring training looking like Carlos Carrasco, the rotation is already set. I'm guessing they planned on Petit being the long man/6th SP before he chose the Nats.

 

Well they see him as someone who will make starts. That doesn't mean he necessarily starts the season in the rotation but he won't spend the whole season in the 'pen either.

[Hipfan]

I think that Hutch could have a huge bounce back year. Obviously he's way better than the mid 5s ERA from last year with that huge BABIP, but even beyond that I really hope his strikeouts return. Looking at the stats it seems like the biggest change was in O-contact % from 62.7% in 2014 to 70% last year. I don't know if thats a skill that stabilizes quickly, but league average was around 65-66% so he could benefit from that a bit, maybe?

 

I don't know about Hutch. Everyone says his BABIP has to come down, but I watched a lot of his games (he was on my fantasy team, and I held on to him longer than I should have) and he threw A LOT of hittable pitches. He needs to have better command and not throw right down the middle. I'm not sure he can consistently do that.

[Brownie19]

I'm going to make a bold prediction....

 

I predict that Chavez wins the SP5 job and emerges as the 1st or 2nd best pitcher for the Jays in 2016.

 

I watched every single one of Chavez's starts in 2015, due to having him on my fantasy team. This guy was the very definition of unlucky. Not only concerning FIP being lower than his ERA. But do you know how many borderline pitches did NOT go his way? Than it seems like he just got frustrated and lost focus.

 

Give him plenty of run support to bolster his confidence, good defense which the Jays should have and an excellent pitch framer to get those borderline calls. Assuming he stays healthy, I don't think he falls off a truck like in the second half last year. I think he maintains an ERA under 3.50.

 

Jesus man I hope you play in a shallow league. That's some serious comitment.

[Stoneyen]

I don't know about Hutch. Everyone says his BABIP has to come down, but I watched a lot of his games (he was on my fantasy team, and I held on to him longer than I should have) and he threw A LOT of hittable pitches. He needs to have better command and not throw right down the middle. I'm not sure he can consistently do that.

 

Yeah...but thats not how BABIP works. It's much more likely that his BABIP won't stay above .320 every year.

[THANOS]

A major component of the hittable pitches phenomenon is an illusion. They look hittable because they get hit. Nobody ever says a pitcher is hittable when he isn't getting hit. You can't expect a major league pitcher to maintain a .343 BABIP and have such poor event sequencing. Hutch is likely a useful major league starter.

 

To be honest, Hutch threw most of his fastballs centre-cut belt high, those are, generally, the easiest pitches to barrel up and scorch for a line drive/deep fly ball. The problem is he doesn't have a high spin rate on the pitch to stop batters from squaring up, like Estrada does. When Hutch was successful he kept his fastball, predominately, at the knees, except for the odd top of the zone pitch to change the eye level. His slider's Sw-Str % dropped as well because he couldn't command the bottom corners like in the past, and hitters would lay off it.

 

I watched every Hutch start and it was obvious that it wasn't just bad luck, like it was with Loup.

[DuckDuckGose]

A major component of the hittable pitches phenomenon is an illusion. They look hittable because they get hit. Nobody ever says a pitcher is hittable when he isn't getting hit. You can't expect a major league pitcher to maintain a .343 BABIP and have such poor event sequencing. Hutch is likely a useful major league starter.

 

Hutch isn't going to put up a +.320 BABIP every year but I disagree with the sentiment that hittable pitches are an illusion. We hear about pitchers making missing spots or getting lucky when they hang a breaking ball and the batter swings through it, etc and we know that tthose pitches are in fact more hittable. Drew consistently missed his spots last year and left a lot of balls over the plate. If you make a lot of mistakes MLB hitters are going to get a lot of hits -- that's what happened to Hutch last year. It seemed entirely mental and I'm very confident he'll get past it but he was hittable and it was not an illusion.

[DuckDuckGose]

Pitchers throw mistakes, sure. Mistakes are more hittable in the sense that they're easy to contact, but they're not the BABIP-fueling elixir you'd think. Consider that position players also pitch to a ~.295 BABIP when placed on the mound. For the most part, hitters get hits. Not pitchers.

 

Oh, no doubt. It's not inflating his BABIP. That being said they will put more balls in play which means more hits which will lead to more runs. That's what was happening to Drew and then he had some bad luck on top of it.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

I'd really like the Jays to extend Chavez ASAP. 3-years, $16M?

[G-Snarls]

I'd really like the Jays to extend Chavez ASAP. 3-years, $16M?

 

He does seem like an ideal buy low candidate

[Dr. Dinger]

A major component of the hittable pitches phenomenon is an illusion. They look hittable because they get hit. Nobody ever says a pitcher is hittable when he isn't getting hit. You can't expect a major league pitcher to maintain a .343 BABIP and have such poor event sequencing. Hutch is likely a useful major league starter.

 

I disagree, this is why control and command are two different things. Locating your fastball on the edges of the plate is very much a skill. Granted, the ability to do so can very from year to year, and I expect Hutchison to be better in 2016 than 2015. He really did misplace/"groove" a lot of heaters this year and got pounded for it. But also, this is a byproduct of not having a breaking ball to keep hitters honest. In 2014 his slider was (at times) nasty, in 2015 in abandoned him. Maybe he was tipping pitches too.

[Boxcar]

I disagree, this is why control and command are two different things. Locating your fastball on the edges of the plate is very much a skill. Granted, the ability to do so can very from year to year, and I expect Hutchison to be better in 2016 than 2015. He really did misplace/"groove" a lot of heaters this year and got pounded for it. But also, this is a byproduct of not having a breaking ball to keep hitters honest. In 2014 his slider was (at times) nasty, in 2015 in abandoned him. Maybe he was tipping pitches too.

 

It's easy to notice a grooved fastball when it gets crushed. Lots of pitchers groove pitches and get away with it, seemed like Drew never did, though. I remember when twistedlogic posted a GIF of Aaron Sanchez hanging a curve ball to Ortiz that he didn't swing at, and some people acted like the pitch was thrown by God himself.

 

We need to try to remove bias from our viewing experience. I think Hutch has a great arm and is fully capable of being an average or perhaps above average starter.