Offseason Roster Thread

[Thomas Malthus]

Even if the performance elasticity of demand for attendance is quite elastic, if the actual attendance isn't that great then the opportunity cost of sacrificing performance now for sustained performance in the future probably isn't large enough to warrant a shift in the prioritization of the future over the present.

[Grant77]

Sanchez didn't even throw 200 IP across A+, AA and AAA before he made it up here. He has a lot to learn. You could argue he was barely developed at all.

 

Sanchez as a reliever is someone who you can't comfortably and routinely bring into high leverage scenarios because he does not get strikeouts and is susceptible to the babip gods. And he also has a bit of a problem against lefties. What you're left with is a guy who needs a clean inning, preferably filled with RHBs. He's certainly not a slam dunk late inning option as he is.

 

The opportunity cost of not developing him as a starter in AAA is that you are losing a middle reliever which is basically the lowest value you can attach to one of your better pitching prospects. I would rather he flames out in AAA then be content with him as, what, a good right handed reliever that ideally pitches the 7th?

 

Sanchez is not as hopeless as people think. He has one really important strength and that's his fastball. His fastball means he can go through an order 3 times. He's not like Hutchison where you can time him up and by the 3rd time you can hit that junk pitch. You can see Sanchez's fastball 100 times and it's still a f***ing bowling ball. You can either get under it or you can't. His OPS against went down the 3rd time through an order as a starter.

 

And I know you didn't mention this but deciding Osuna is a reliever after not even trying him as a starter is completely retarded. We don't HAVE to do these things. We can avoid doing these retarded things by just spending money. The bullpen is the easiest thing to fix. Just throw money at it. Not even alot, and you get the job done. You spend like 12M on Madson and Lowe and you have a good bullpen. You trade Revere and let Pompey outperform him and your total outlay is 6M. It's so simple to me.

 

Sanchez has held batters to a .176 /.245/.222 line as a reliever. Add in some BABIP luck if you wish, but those are absolutely excellent numbers that would play well as a high leverage reliever on any team. He was also virtually flawless in the playoffs (Martin-Choo debacle notwithstanding). Although I understand why and agree that he should be a starter, there's no reason why you shouldn't be confident in his abilities as a relief pitcher.

[burlingtonbandit]

Apparently clubs receive over 100 Million in USD with revenue sharing factored in. The exchange rate talk has an effect but its much smaller than has been talked about. Shapiro is in a tough spot since I'm sure he wants payroll to be higher personally but has to come up with excuses to tell the media why Rogers isn't putting more $ back into major league payroll.

[L54]

It's almost 2016 and people still think Sanchez should be in the rotation. What an enigma.

[saskjayfan]

Apparently clubs receive over 100 Million in USD with revenue sharing factored in. The exchange rate talk has an effect but its much smaller than has been talked about. Shapiro is in a tough spot since I'm sure he wants payroll to be higher personally but has to come up with excuses to tell the media why Rogers isn't putting more $ back into major league payroll.

 

I believe it's 31% of revenue of all teams is split and then the pool from national TV contracts and other MLB revenues is disproportionately split with rich teams receiving little to nothing. The Jays receive a fair amount of revenue in US dollars.

 

I think holding the lines on salary has as much to do with multi billion dollar hockey contract they are committed to as it is with the state of the Jays.

[Jimcanuck]

It's almost 2016 and people still think Sanchez should be in the rotation. What an enigma.

 

I haven't seen anyone state he should be in the 2016 rotation.

 

Remember he was only in the 2015 rotation due to injury. If Stro did not get injured, he most likely would have started in Buffalo.

[burlingtonbandit]

Just look how fortunate we are to have this:

 

[Jimcanuck]

Just look how fortunate we are to have this:

 

 

looks like a peeler joint

 

and Tulo is touching his cock

[dineke]

Just look how fortunate we are to have this:

 

 

Why are they pointing at tulo's dick?

[burlingtonbandit]

Why are they pointing at tulo's dick?

 

Cuz he's the man!

[burlingtonbandit]

To be honest thats the happiest I've seen Tulo ever look lol.

[HERPDERP]

I never pictured Tulo to be the guy to go to Vegas with those guys. Reminds me of Halladay. So this pleases me.

[burlingtonbandit]

I never pictured Tulo to be the guy to go to Vegas with those guys. Reminds me of Halladay. So this pleases me.

 

I think he actually lives there in the offseason.

[HERPDERP]

I think he actually lives there in the offseason.

 

hmm true. He also sold his Colorado home awhile back.

[GD]

At this point I'd probably just trade Osuna and Sanchez for Giles-type packages (Osuna for that, idk what Sanchez would command) and go for older guys. Make the bullpen basically:

 

Storen

Cecil

Putnam

Blanton

Loup

Steamer guy/Rowen

Bigiani

[burlingtonbandit]

At this point I'd probably just trade Osuna and Sanchez for Giles-type packages (Osuna for that, idk what Sanchez would command) and go for older guys. Make the bullpen basically:

 

Storen

Cecil

Putnam

Blanton

Loup

Steamer guy/Rowen

Bigiani

 

I agree. Don't think there is nearly enough money to replace both with guys like Blanton and Storen tho. Payroll is pretty tight it seems.

 

All depends what you can get back in a trade too. Like if you could get close to major league ready outfielders then that would make Revere expendable and you could dump him for salary relief to get a reliever.

[GD]

Well you'd trade Revere and an expensive bench guy (smoak?) in that situation.

[burlingtonbandit]

Does someone even take Smoak for free at $3.9?

[Frenchsoup]

Does someone even take Smoak for free at $3.9?

 

Pitt would.

[Orgfiller]

Does someone even take Smoak for free at $3.9?

 

"Free"

 

And duh, $3.9MM is nothing with the cost of a win hovering around 8MM (perhaps conservatively). Smoak doesn't need to be very good to be worth his contract.

[burlingtonbandit]

"Free"

 

And duh, $3.9MM is nothing with the cost of a win hovering around 8MM (perhaps conservatively). Smoak can easily be worth that money and more.

 

you know what I meant lol "not giving up an asset in return". There's a good chance Smoak won't even produce a Win. I mean last year he was at 0.6 WAR and seemed to have a pretty good season. And that was with an unsustainable 25.4% HR/FB rate.

 

He's put up 0.4 WAR in his entire career and he's 29 lol.

[ClevelandBrownsFan2]

you know what I meant lol "not giving up an asset in return". There's a good chance Smoak won't even produce a Win. I mean last year he was at 0.6 WAR and seemed to have a pretty good season. And that was with an unsustainable 25.4% HR/FB rate.

 

He's put up 0.4 WAR in his entire career and he's 29 lol.

 

He also only played part time last year...Steamer has him a .4 WAR in 386PA next year.

[burlingtonbandit]

He also only played part time last year...Steamer has him a .4 WAR in 386PA next year.

 

Well there is a reason he is a part time player. He's a platoon bat since he can't hit LHP. That what I mean though he's only projected for half a win, is a team going to spend 4 Million on that at 1st base?

[ClevelandBrownsFan2]

Well there is a reason he is a part time player. He's a platoon bat since he can't hit LHP. That what I mean though he's only projected for half a win, is a team going to spend 4 Million on that at 1st base?

 

4 million for .5 WAR appears to be the going rate, so in the right scenario I think, yes, someone wants that. Our roster might be the best fit as currently constructed though.

 

The real downside with Smoak is not that he's average, it's that he has no positional versatility. Platoon bats are way more useful when they can do more than 1B/DH

[burlingtonbandit]

4 million for .5 WAR appears to be the going rate, so in the right scenario I think, yes, someone wants that. Our roster might be the best fit as currently constructed though.

 

The real downside with Smoak is not that he's average, it's that he has no positional versatility. Platoon bats are way more useful when they can do more than 1B/DH

 

Yeah thats why I was wondering if a team would take him. Sure 8 Million/WAR is the going rate but is a team going to pay 4 Million for a half win 1B platoon bat? I would think team would believe they could acquire that type of player for a lot less.

 

Anyhow the discussion is likely a moot point anyway since he will stay with the Jays lol.

[taximan89]

Good to see Tulo mingling with teammates. Makes it seems like he might actually enjoy being a Blue Jay this season. Maybe his next step is using "we" instead of "they" or "them" when referring to the team in interviews.

[BTS]

We're talking about a world where the Axfords and Cisheks of the world are getting multi-year commitments at 5M/year. OF course someone would take Smoak.

[BTS]

Jason Motte hasn't been good by literally any method of evaluation since 2012... gets 2/10 lol. He even projects as below replacement by Steamer.

 

He's also a pretty big injury red flag on top of that lol. This is insanity. It definitely feels like pen guys who would have been minor league signings in past years are getting lucrative multi-year deals this year. Not sure if that's true, but it feels true.

[vdubmvp]

Just look how fortunate we are to have this:

 

 

I don't understand what Tulo is doing.

[BTS]

I don't understand what Tulo is doing.

 

Trying to hide an erection at the strip club.