What's up with Price?

[art_vandelay275]

Bautista signed a team-friendly contract which helped allow AA to surround him with talent, and he's carried our offense for years. He has every right to complain if this team doesn't procure an ace for next season, our last year with JB and EE under contract.

 

He has a right to voice out being the guy with the longest tenure as well as being the face of the franchise. As for the contract, yeah it was team-friendly but it was also player-friendly at the time of the signing. At the time, he hadn't had a long track record of success and there was risk on both sides whether that success will translate moving forward. For Jose, it was a chance to make decent money with stability and security.

 

To his credit, he's never voiced his displeasure over his personal stuff/contract but only what's best for the team. That's pretty rare in professional sports today.

[Grant77]

Hmmm.

 

Stroman

Jordan Zimmerman

RA Dickey

Brett Anderson

Marco Estrada

 

Maybe Hutchison if they don't re-sign Estrada.

 

This will be an unpopular opinion, but I think it's essential to give Aaron Sanchez a chance to be the guy we saw in his last few starts before the injury. A pitcher with a K/BB at or over 2 and that groundball rate is highly valuable in our ballpark.

[Krylian]

Yeah, Price is probably hurt. That would explain why he was only hitting 97 MPH yesterday.

 

The stuff is good. The command is just a bit off, and Texas has been a thorn in his side. If we win tomorrow I'm confident we'll see the David Price we're used to.

[BigCecil]

The stuff is good. The command is just a bit off, and Texas has been a thorn in his side. If we win tomorrow I'm confident we'll see the David Price we're used to.

 

Lets win Game 5 and hope Kryl is right.

 

Its been very odd these last 3 appearances for Price...the 11 days rest....the almost CY winner not starting on 3 days rest in Game 4. But who cares? We are in Game 5 back home. Was happy to see his V back up yesterday.

[BigCecil]

Bautista signed a team-friendly contract which helped allow AA to surround him with talent, and he's carried our offense for years. He has every right to complain if this team doesn't procure an ace for next season, our last year with JB and EE under contract.

 

Its easy to say now that the Jose deal was "team friendly" but at the time it was controversial with Bautista coming out of nowhere to go from 16 HR to 54. There were a lot of skeptics in FO's he would ever come close to repeating that performance. There was endless PED speculation. Jose is a hard nosed business man and knew this. So did his Agent.

 

At the time it was a fair deal for Jose and the Jays. Props to AA for having the balls to sign him long term.

Edited October 13, 2015 by BigCecil

[polar bear]

Bautista signed a team-friendly contract which helped allow AA to surround him with talent, and he's carried our offense for years. He has every right to complain if this team doesn't procure an ace for next season, our last year with JB and EE under contract.

 

If Bautista is still here next season(I'd trade the bum) hopefully he will not be our starting

right fielder.

[L54]

If Bautista is still here next season(I'd trade the bum) hopefully he will not be our starting

right fielder.

 

I've never seen a fanbase that hates a franchise player so much. It's absurd.

[reedjohnsonfan]

If Bautista is still here next season(I'd trade the bum) hopefully he will not be our starting

right fielder.

 

40 HR hitter who walks more than he strikes out... I'd like them to sign him into his late 30s and have him retire as a Blue Jay eventually.

[KingKat]

I've never seen a fanbase that hates a franchise player so much. It's absurd.

 

He's easily one of the fanchise's four all time best players and depite that and being a CURRENT player, he didn't make that MLB Franchise Four thing. That says a lot about how under-appreciated he is. Meanwhile Roy Halladay WHO REQUESTED A TRADE FROM THE TEAM can practically walk on the waters of Lac Ontario.

[xposbrad]

Hmmm.

 

Stroman

Jordan Zimmerman

RA Dickey

Brett Anderson

Marco Estrada

 

Maybe Hutchison if they don't re-sign Estrada.

 

Probably half the league will be in on Zimmerman. NY is going to sign 1 or 2 of the top free agent pitchers, it could very well be him.

[G-Snarls]

I don't think people dislike Bautista as much as you'd gather from reading this board. All the people I've actually talked to in real life are fans of Bautista because they realize he is a great player and teammate.

 

Agree

 

Opposing teams (and umpires) don't like him

 

The vast majority of Jays fans think he's great

[Cookie]

I really like Bautista but I've def considered what I'd think of him if he was an Oriole instead.

[BigCecil]

I've never seen a fanbase that hates a franchise player so much. It's absurd.

 

I love Jose and the way he plays. He has the "dropsies" in RF but he has given us everything he has all the time.

 

He wont be fully appreciated until he is gone sadly.

[KingKat]

I don't think people dislike Bautista as much as you'd gather from reading this board. All the people I've actually talked to in real life are fans of Bautista because they realize he is a great player and teammate.

 

Well maybe they don't dislike him but they definitely underrate him. No way he should be losing a franchise player vote to Joe Carter and Carlos Delgado (as much as I like the later and understand the importance of the former).

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Someone in that Fangraphs article posted this:

 

I think you’ve missed the boat.

 

You write “Gibbons managed based on an old adage — that you manage one game at a time in the postseason — but the Blue Jays are trying to win a series.” Not true. The Blue Jays are trying to win a CHAMPIONSHIP, not ust this series, and I think Gibbons was playing the long game here.

 

At the time Gibbons pulled Dickey, the Jays had become a heavy favorite to advance to the ALCS – 96% win prob in G4 + playing G5 at home with the SP of one’s choice (Price or Stroman). At which point the question pivots to, which pitcher do you want to have available to make 3 starts in the ALCS, and how do you ensure said pitcher is at his best then? To which the answers are: Price; and, get him some action (having just seen that giving him 11 days rest didn’t improve his game).

 

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Imagine if Gibby was actually trolling everyone and his main intention was to get Price the most possible starts in the ALCS?

[Olerud363]

Well maybe they don't dislike him but they definitely underrate him. No way he should be losing a franchise player vote to Joe Carter and Carlos Delgado (as much as I like the later and understand the importance of the former).

 

Whhhutttt???? Joe Carter career WAR with the Blue Jays is about the same as Bautista's 2011.

[L54]

Whhhutttt???? Joe Carter career WAR with the Blue Jays is about the same as Bautista's 2011.

 

That's essentially the point he's making.

[AdamGreenwood]

Whhhutttt???? Joe Carter career WAR with the Blue Jays is about the same as Bautista's 2011.

 

Weird. I wonder if World Series winning walk-off home runs, influenced the voting process.

[Brownie19]

Gibbons explained it. You either agree with his logic or you don't. I understand what he's saying, but I don't agree with him, I just think he just panicked because he doesn't have experience in these types of situations.

 

Just curious if you've ever played competitive baseball.

[saskjayfan]

I really like Bautista but I've def considered what I'd think of him if he was an Oriole instead.

 

Some people get up in arms when Bautista the competitor argues a ball or yells at an opposing player. This year he's actually controlled himself more in terms of arguing with officials, but I separate the competitive player from the person in real life. Bautista isn't the guy getting into trouble off the field and he has his own charitable foundation. He not only does his fair share for charity outside of baseball, he does more than most. Articles like the one below shape my opinion of the man more than the occasional outburst on the field.

 

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/08/07/jays-bautista-donates-time-money-from-the-heart

[KingKat]

Some people get up in arms when Bautista the competitor argues a ball or yells at an opposing player. This year he's actually controlled himself more in terms of arguing with officials, but I separate the competitive player from the person in real life. Bautista isn't the guy getting into trouble off the field and he has his own charitable foundation. He not only does his fair share for charity outside of baseball, he does more than most. Articles like the one below shape my opinion of the man more than the occasional outburst on the field.

 

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/08/07/jays-bautista-donates-time-money-from-the-heart

 

Yeah there's no evidence that Bautista isn't a great guy. I sure as hell wouldn't want to piss him off on the baseball field but it seems like 99% of the time he channels his energy positively anyways. I don't really see why Blue Jays fans should have an issue with him. Guy has been the f***in' boss for six seasons and seems like a pretty decent if very intense person.

[Sammy225]

Someone in that Fangraphs article posted this:

 

I think you’ve missed the boat.

 

You write “Gibbons managed based on an old adage — that you manage one game at a time in the postseason — but the Blue Jays are trying to win a series.” Not true. The Blue Jays are trying to win a CHAMPIONSHIP, not ust this series, and I think Gibbons was playing the long game here.

 

At the time Gibbons pulled Dickey, the Jays had become a heavy favorite to advance to the ALCS – 96% win prob in G4 + playing G5 at home with the SP of one’s choice (Price or Stroman). At which point the question pivots to, which pitcher do you want to have available to make 3 starts in the ALCS, and how do you ensure said pitcher is at his best then? To which the answers are: Price; and, get him some action (having just seen that giving him 11 days rest didn’t improve his game).

 

--

 

Imagine if Gibby was actually trolling everyone and his main intention was to get Price the most possible starts in the ALCS?

 

The way i see and i can somewhat understand..... Before game 4 they had made their decision that Stroman was pitching game 5 because he is the hot hand. Now Reynolds was all bent out of shape because he is not available for game 5.... My thoughts is why would you burn your best 2 pitchers on Wednesday so non of them are available to start game 2 of the ALCS if you make it there..... I would not burn both guys in that game then you are without either of your best pitchers probably facing either Kuechal or Cueto to start the series. Also even without Cecil your bullpen has to manage WITHOUT Price anyway to get anywhere near a WS because he HAS to start games

 

So which brings up to Game 4. Bringing Price in i think was more or less to get him some work in a game (which bringing in a Cy Young candidate is not going to hurt you)because then your talking over a week with him not seeing game action going into the ALCS.

 

If this is somewhat the train of though i can understand it. Whether or not i agree with it i don't know. Just the way i am breaking things down.

[Masterbather]

Just curious if you've ever played competitive baseball.

 

I play baseball competitively, but never played organized baseball, no. Mostly because I suck.

[Spanky99]

Oh my God this thread? Poke my f***ing eyes out... thx!

[Spanky99]

I suspect the logic is Price > Norris + Boyd + Laibourt. Therefore, we won that trade.

Things like salary and years of control aren't really factored in.

 

Why not? Also, well played out troll thread AG, great work. Hook, line, sinker, bro.

[G-Snarls]

Kershaw has lost his last 5 playoff starts for the Dodgers. What's up with HIM?

[Spanky99]

It definitely wasn't cut and dry and the time. Norris' numbers last year were absolutely silly in AA and AAA. Trading a borderline top-10 prospect for one year of anyone is a risky proposition. If you guess wrong, it could be franchise crippling.

 

You guys are both making valid points, part of the bizz, yo!

[Spanky99]

Pretty interested out of four starters Price has been our worst. If we win Wednesday it will be interesting to see how the rotation pans out.

Will they still go with four starters?

 

Well they went with a 4 man rotation in a 5 game series, what makes you think they won't in a best of 7? You think Price won't be in the rotation? He'll be pitching game 2 at worst, lol.

[Jim_Ackers_balls]

Kershaw has lost his last 5 playoff starts for the Dodgers. What's up with HIM?

 

He should be in the pen too.

[G-Snarls]

He should be in the pen too.

 

Exactly. Lol