Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Brownie19]

Moreno's power doesn't worry me. Young C's have a lot to worry about.

 

Groshans' power on the other hand...it looks like he might have to play a solid SS in order to stick at this rate.

 

Yeah - Groshans' bat looks gross. I can't imagine he's worth much in a trade these days.

[Krylian]

Yeah - Groshans' bat looks gross. I can't imagine he's worth much in a trade these days.

 

This is what we avoided by moving Austin Martin when we did.

[L54]

So Moreno is BA’s #1 prospect? Cool. Haven’t had one of those since Vladdy!

 

Who was the last #1 for the Jays before Vlad? To have had two in the last four years is pretty impressive.

[Laika]

So Moreno is BA’s #1 prospect? Cool. Haven’t had one of those since Vladdy!

 

Who was the last #1 for the Jays before Vlad? To have had two in the last four years is pretty impressive.

 

Nobody before Vlad. I think Snider was their best ever at like #6

[John_Havok]

I think it makes sense. The hit tool is absurd and he has a great eye to boot. When he learns to lay off pitches that he can't really do damage on (he still pokes those for duck fart singles), the power will come.

 

First he'll get the power, then he'll get the money, then he'll get the women.

 

Well played sir

[L54]

Nobody before Vlad. I think Snider was their best ever at like #6

 

Actually incredible

 

I didn’t think LUNCHBOX was ever #1 but knew he was close

 

Delgado must’ve been high

 

Either way Jays are in a great spot

[Traded_prospect]

Different subject: Is Addison Barger a real prospect? Hitting .410 at AA with some power. Not bad for a 6th-round pick.

[Olerud363]

I think it makes sense. The hit tool is absurd and he has a great eye to boot. When he learns to lay off pitches that he can't really do damage on (he still pokes those for duck fart singles), the power will come.

 

First he'll get the power, then he'll get the money, then he'll get the women.

 

 

I mean if Moreno is the number 1 prospect in baseball what kind of value does that put on Kirk? Who is only 1 year older than Moreno and is already hitting for power in the majors, with the same average Moreno has in the minors, and with a better k/bb.

 

Kirk's defensive rating on fangraphs is about +5. However he has only caught 50 games, and DH'd 25.

 

DHing give a negative score so in the 50 games caught maybe his defense is more like 7 or 8. So if he could catch as much as Buster Posey has you could extrapolate his D to like 20.

 

And is offense is brought down because he has only played about 75% of the time. He has 75% of the plate appearances Bo or Vlad does.

 

Let's say you gave him a full workload. Say catching 130 games and DHing 20, hitting 2nd or 3rd. What is his WAR if he plays at his current level. Probably about 7 or 8.

 

He is only 23. He could improve from here.

 

So if Moreno is the best prospect in baseball what is Kirk?

[Sammy225]

Actually incredible

 

I didn’t think LUNCHBOX was ever #1 but knew he was close

 

Delgado must’ve been high

 

Either way Jays are in a great spot

 

Delgado got to #4, Alex Gonzalez got to #4 and Johnny O got to #3.

[Jimcanuck]

Delgado got to #4, Alex Gonzalez got to #4 and Johnny O got to #3.

 

Alex Rios #6, same as Travis Snider. Halladay highest pitcher at #12

[Olerud363]

Delgado got to #4, Alex Gonzalez got to #4 and Johnny O got to #3.

 

I go on about this endlessly but the story of Johny is so f***ing bat-s*** crazy that if it ever happened today there would be riots and Cito would be jailed, or sued. I mean f***, if I was Olerud I might think of trying to sue Cito for mal-practice and 100 million in career lost earnings.

 

OK. Johny O number 3 prospect in 1990 Juan Gonzales #4. Should have gotten them the other way right? I mean Johny O was a good platoon player and had a couple of nice full time years contending for batting titles but Gonzales was a legend 2-time MVP, 150 RBI guy?

 

Lifetime Gonzales 35.8 fWAR, Olerud 57.8. The years they were both playing at their best 93 and 98 Olerud destroyed Gonzales 8 WAR to 5.

 

NOW HERE IS THE BAT-s*** CRAZY THING. !996. 19f***ing96

 

John Olerud - has-been, washed up, non-rbi platoon guy, sat for Jacob Brumfield, only 469 PAs, told to retire by Cito Gaston

Juan Gonzales - Wins MVP, rbi-superstar, clutch, hier to Joe Carter.

 

Gonzales only beat him 3.5 to 2.6 despite 100 more PAs. They were almost the same per PA, with Olerud at his "worst" and being benched, and Gonzales given MVP.

 

Good god Cito was a f***ing maniac.

[InsideThePark]

Alex Rios #6, same as Travis Snider. Halladay highest pitcher at #12

 

Pearson was top 10 at some point wasn't he?

[Jimcanuck]

Pearson was top 10 at some point wasn't he?

 

Oh yeah, understandably forgot about him. He was up to #7

[John_Havok]

Different subject: Is Addison Barger a real prospect? Hitting .410 at AA with some power. Not bad for a 6th-round pick.

 

have to be very careful with left handed hitters in that park. The RF fence is only 306 feet and 353 to Right center. It tends to inflate a lot of lefty hitting lines.

 

Plus, he's only had 40 PAs at AA. Sample size isnt big enough to draw conclusions yet, but it's damn nice to see him keep up the rate he was hitting in Vancouver.

[max silver]

have to be very careful with left handed hitters in that park. The RF fence is only 306 feet and 353 to Right center. It tends to inflate a lot of lefty hitting lines.

 

Barger mashed in high A as well. 155 WRC+, .248 ISO, 14 home runs, 21 doubles, etc. I'm not suggesting the AA numbers are in any way sustainable, but he certainly doesn't appear to be strictly the creation of his current home ballpark.

[Terminator]

Where are you looking at the historical prospect rankings?

 

I seem to remember Josh Phelps was ranked really high at one point. Probably not Top 10 though.

[Olerud363]

Where are you looking at the historical prospect rankings?

 

I seem to remember Josh Phelps was ranked really high at one point. Probably not Top 10 though.

 

So excited about the 2003 Blue Jays before the season

 

Phelps - 5th deck power, 2nd Delgado

Hinske - rookie of the year

O-Dog - best 2b since Alomar

Wells - Started performing at 23

Woodward - Supposedly a great ss identified by the moneyball system

Frank Cat - like a left handed Molitor

Delgado - still around

Kevin Cash - looked good

Shannon Stewart - still around

 

Looked like such a good line-up.... did win 86 games but then that iteration of the team collapsed with so many disspapointing. Phelps went from next Delgado to traded for a no-name in like 18 months.

[Dagagad]

Different subject: Is Addison Barger a real prospect? Hitting .410 at AA with some power. Not bad for a 6th-round pick.

 

IÂ’m interested but I want to see his k and bb rate over a larger sample in double A.

[Laika]

Where are you looking at the historical prospect rankings?

 

I seem to remember Josh Phelps was ranked really high at one point. Probably not Top 10 though.

 

They show them on baseball reference on the player minor league page

[Terminator]

They show them on baseball reference on the player minor league page

 

Thanks. Phelps was #36 prior to the 2002 season. About what I remember.

[P2F]

[Jonn]

 

Finally a sign of power. Hopefully a seller watches this and gets wood.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Jeunger made his AAA debut tonight at 21 years of age.

 

Pitched two innings of hitless ball, walked one and struck out two.

[Brownie19]

Jeunger made his AAA debut tonight at 21 years of age.

 

Pitched two innings of hitless ball, walked one and struck out two.

 

Seems really aggressive given he wasn't pitching all that well in AA (5.06 FIP, 4.35 xFIP)

[Laika]

Seems really aggressive given he wasn't pitching all that well in AA (5.06 FIP, 4.35 xFIP)

 

K-BB numbers look *fine*. You never know what guys are working on. He was also starting... maybe the logic here is that he's just a reliever so make that decision now and see if he looks like an MLB reliever in AAA at the moment because that could help this year.

 

They were handling Juenger in a fascinating way. Starter's schedule but he would only ever pitch 2-4 innings.

 

Seems kind of weird. Maybe that's thought of as a "safe" way to develop relief prospects?

Like, you don't actually want them throwing 100% max effort innings and back to back days and all that stuff until they are in the show?

[TwistedLogic]

Alex Rios #6, same as Travis Snider. Halladay highest pitcher at #12

 

Are you sure Drabek didn't peak higher than that? I thought he was a Top 5-ish guy for a bit.

[Daniel Labude]

Seems really aggressive given he wasn't pitching all that well in AA (5.06 FIP, 4.35 xFIP)

 

More of needing to make room at AA for promotions and Zulueta id say

[TwistedLogic]

[Daniel Labude]

 

Biggest thing here is Orelvis is back to using his leg kick with 2 strikes. Still continuously changing the 2 strike approach every few weeks. They are clearly more focused on working on limiting Ks and less on the results, which I think many miss that aspect of what is going on

[Daniel Labude]

Orelvis hits his 2nd HR of the game