General Offseason Discussion Thread

[HERPDERP]

Resign,???? We have an option on him

 

resign, pick up option, same thing, yada yada, f*** you

 

jk

[KingKat]

Yeah I don't see the big deal with Sanchez getting a chance to start. As a pitch to contact guy he's not really suited for this short relief role they have tried to put him in anyways. There's nothing to gain by leaving him in relief. Better to try him as a starter (again).

[Sammy225]

People are forgetting how well Sanchez did before he got injured

 

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/9635/gamelog/

 

Not to mention what kind of message is it sending to young players if The Jays don't give him a chance to compete for a spot before he is 25. Not really a vote of confidence. Who would want to play for a team like that.

[baubau]

Yeah I don't see the big deal with Sanchez getting a chance to start. As a pitch to contact guy he's not really suited for this short relief role they have tried to put him in anyways. There's nothing to gain by leaving him in relief. Better to try him as a starter (again).

 

Or OR!! Trade him for someone like Chase Anderson from Ari cause Stewart would be dumb enough to accept it.

[KingKat]

Or OR!! Trade him for someone like Chase Anderson from Ari cause Stewart would be dumb enough to accept it.

 

I'm not closed to trading him but I'm not optimistic about it either.

[BigCecil]

Problem children now being offered at a discount on for "for sale" rack. Think AA would welcome them into the 2016 clubhouse in the offseason?

 

http://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/840774

 

Pap

Castro

Puig

CJ Wilson

Profar

H Ramirez

[BigCecil]

Yeah I don't see the big deal with Sanchez getting a chance to start. As a pitch to contact guy he's not really suited for this short relief role they have tried to put him in anyways. There's nothing to gain by leaving him in relief. Better to try him as a starter (again).

 

Its amazing to me some people thought he would make a 2015 natural closer based on a brief stint in 2014 in the pen.

 

It was like....SP or closer? More like neither probably.

[baubau]

I'm not closed to trading him but I'm not optimistic about it either.

 

Why are you not optimistic about it? This was concerning: " Sanchez has started to incorporate his cutter, a pitch that he was told to back off from after developing a lat strain."

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/martin-maintains-private-nature-despite-shift-in-blue-jays-clubhouse/

[KingKat]

Why are you not optimistic about it? This was concerning: " Sanchez has started to incorporate his cutter, a pitch that he was told to back off from after developing a lat strain."

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/martin-maintains-private-nature-despite-shift-in-blue-jays-clubhouse/

 

I don't really see AA selling low on his guy but it's not like I have some terrific insight into his thought process either. If it happens, I will be (mildly) surprised, that's all.

[Frenchsoup]

Why are you not optimistic about it? This was concerning: " Sanchez has started to incorporate his cutter, a pitch that he was told to back off from after developing a lat strain."

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/martin-maintains-private-nature-despite-shift-in-blue-jays-clubhouse/

 

His cutter isn't very good atm, he needs to pitch and work on that and the change if he ever wants to start.

[CHRIS]

Yeah I don't see the big deal with Sanchez getting a chance to start. As a pitch to contact guy he's not really suited for this short relief role they have tried to put him in anyways. There's nothing to gain by leaving him in relief. Better to try him as a starter (again).

 

I feel like Sanchez either makes it in the rotation, or not at all.

 

It seems like it's generally exciting when a guy moves the pen and adds a couple of extra MPH on his fastball, but I think this is almost worse for a guy like Sanchez. In theory anyways, it seems like he might be better served in a role where he's sitting at 93-94 with better control and better movement.

 

Ultimately though, he really needs to develop his off speed stuff if he's got any chance, IMO.

[Followthelight]

Sanchez needs to develop more pitches to be a starter, he basically throws just fastballs and even then can struggle to throw strikes.

[Trouba95]

Sanchez needs to develop more pitches to be a starter, he basically throws just fastballs and even then can struggle to throw strikes.

 

Needs a changeup for LHH or at least work on it.

[Jimcanuck]

Sanchez should go to AFL to add some innings and work on secondaries

 

He has ace potential

[dineke]

Sanchez should go to AFL to add some innings and work on secondaries

 

He has ace potential

 

lol

[nonamejays]

I'd like them to keep Price, acquire a decent 3/4 starter or keep Estrada, keep Dickey, find BP arm to replace Hawkins, and retain everyone in the pen. Stretch Osuna out to be a starter and have Cecil/Lowe close instead.

[Atothe]

I'd like them to keep Price, acquire a decent 3/4 starter or keep Estrada, keep Dickey, find BP arm to replace Hawkins, and retain everyone in the pen. Stretch Osuna out to be a starter and have Cecil/Lowe close instead.

 

HA!

[Dr Negative]

Let's say you have the opportunity to acquire Joey Votto. You have to take the entire contract but compensation you give up by way of players is nominal in nature. Pull the trigger or run a mile?

[Swervin81]

Needs a changeup for LHH or at least work on it.

 

He does have a change. It's just pretty raw and, as you'd expect, he can't command it. He needs to expand on that and perhaps try and develop a cutter to jam lefties since his sinker can jam righties.

[Swervin81]

Here it is.

 

It's about to happen.

 

I have literally been waiting my entire life for this moment.

 

And it's so close, I'm practically jumping up and down in elation already.

 

1 more inning.

[dineke]

Let's say you have the opportunity to acquire Joey Votto. You have to take the entire contract but compensation you give up by way of players is nominal in nature. Pull the trigger or run a mile?

 

I would do it. Guy just came off a half comparable to Ted Williams.

[Nafro]

Attending the game where ALCS and World Series Championship Banners are unveiled at the Rogers Centre!

[Spanky99]

Attending the game where ALCS and World Series Championship Banners are unveiled at the Rogers Centre!

 

Yes, opening day!

[art_vandelay275]

Sanchez should go to AFL to add some innings and work on secondaries

 

He has ace potential

 

lol

 

I'd say he has the stuff to be an ace but I don't know if he has the mental makeup to be an ace. Watching Price this season, I am reminded once again a true ace is more than just having electric stuff. It's about delivering and exceeding expectations even when those expectations are arguably "unreasonable"... I mean I watched Price when he was with the Rays and somewhat when he was with the Tigers. What he surprised me with in his time with us is not so much his stuff - I always knew he could paint with all of his pitches - it was him delivering in these high pressure situations. Just from last season alone, I considered Sanchez as having more electric stuff than Stro. Seeing Stro not only come back this year but in the games that he's pitched and what those games meant in the run for the division, I would actually give the odds to Stro to be the ace over Sanchez...

 

I am somewhat surprised by the attitude regarding Sanchez held by some here. I see a guy who doesn't merely just throw hard (there are career A ball guys doing that) but has a live arm which you can't teach. Not only does he have a live arm, he also has velocity. That's something that shouldn't be taken lightly. His troubles in the BP the last month, IMO has more to do with him being mis-used than anything else. Overall I think a sinker baller is not as effective in the BP as a swing-and-miss guy; maybe more situational. Is he still a "diamond in the rough" - No doubt but to me, he is still a diamond nonetheless

 

I am not saying he is an untouchable but given his age, I would for sure try to harness it and with the signing of Martin, I thought that was the whole idea...

Edited October 3, 2015 by art_vandelay275

[gbill2004]

Price will cost more like 7/210.

[Zed]

Op=Duumn Homer

[jaysblue]

I am very happy with the moves that they made and will live with any consequences.

 

I've never had a problem with the Tulo trade. He's locked up for the next couple of seasons, and the Jays got a far better all around shortstop which has made a huge difference down the stretch. The Revere and Mark Lowe trades didn't cost anything in terms of future value. Love having Revere back in 2016. As for David Price, since he's gone after the end of this season, that could be a tough one to swallow since the Jays gave up 5-6 years of control of Daniel Norris, for 12 starts from David Price. One plus I guess is that the Jays will have a window to negotiate with Price before the offseason begins. As well, since Price has said great things about his stay in Toronto, it definitely might open up the doors for future FA pitcher signings this offseason. Though in terms of future value, it was a bad deal for the Blue Jays.

[reedjohnsonfan]

I've never had a problem with the Tulo trade. He's locked up for the next couple of seasons, and the Jays got a far better all around shortstop which has made a huge difference down the stretch. The Revere and Mark Lowe trades didn't cost anything in terms of future value. Love having Revere back in 2016. As for David Price, since he's gone after the end of this season, that could be a tough one to swallow since the Jays gave up 5-6 years of control of Daniel Norris, for 12 starts from David Price. One plus I guess is that the Jays will have a window to negotiate with Price before the offseason begins. As well, since Price has said great things about his stay in Toronto, it definitely might open up the doors for future FA pitcher signings this offseason. Though in terms of future value, it was a bad deal for the Blue Jays.

 

But how good is Norris going to be? Look at the Andrew Miller trade last year, I'd certainly say Eduardo Rodriguez is and will continue to be a much better pitcher than Norris. Just my opinion. It was a good trade.

[BTS]

But how good is Norris going to be? Look at the Andrew Miller trade last year, I'd certainly say Eduardo Rodriguez is and will continue to be a much better pitcher than Norris. Just my opinion. It was a good trade.

 

He was pretty good after the trade, and has no real injury history. I think he'll become a rotation fixture in Detroit, though it's probably as a league-average inning eater more than as a front-rotation guy barring further improvements.

[Governator]

I've never had a problem with the Tulo trade. He's locked up for the next couple of seasons, and the Jays got a far better all around shortstop which has made a huge difference down the stretch. The Revere and Mark Lowe trades didn't cost anything in terms of future value. Love having Revere back in 2016. As for David Price, since he's gone after the end of this season, that could be a tough one to swallow since the Jays gave up 5-6 years of control of Daniel Norris, for 12 starts from David Price. One plus I guess is that the Jays will have a window to negotiate with Price before the offseason begins. As well, since Price has said great things about his stay in Toronto, it definitely might open up the doors for future FA pitcher signings this offseason. Though in terms of future value, it was a bad deal for the Blue Jays.

 

Norris has had his share of control problems throughtout his career and he's yet to turn it around consistently. I think he still has ways to go to be considered a highly missed asset and probably best suited pitching for a team rebuilding at the mlb level than a team on the edge of contending. I think it was a solid trade for everyone and as you mentioned, Price has spoke highly of Toronto, he's not a Paplebon type. Even if he doesn't sign here, I think his presence and success while here is added value for attracting future FA talent.