2015 Trade Deadline Targets Thread.

[GD]

You would have to think the Jays would then acquire a SS. What SS are getting traded besides Tulo? (Really don't want him)

 

Brad Miller pls

[DuckDuckGose]

This is basically what I was going to post. If we go by the updated prospect value, pitchers ranked 11-25 are worth about $24.5m. If Preller thinks Sanchez is a top 25 prospect (which is where he was on lists fwiw) then yeah he'd cover it. However in reality it'd probably be Reyes+Norris/Hoffman+something for Shields+Kimbrel. Still kinda enticing, tbh.

 

Definitely enticing but still a piece or two short from the playoffs IMO. I;d be pushing really hard for one of Ross or Cashner to as well to actually pull the trigger. Otherwise hang on to the young guys, sign your own FA's and see what happens.

[GD]

Definitely enticing but still a piece or two short from the playoffs IMO. I;d be pushing really hard for one of Ross or Cashner to as well to actually pull the trigger. Otherwise hang on to the young guys, sign your own FA's and see what happens.

 

Cashner is an injury risk and Ross would need another top prospect.

[Laika]

You would have to think the Jays would then acquire a SS. What SS are getting traded besides Tulo? (Really don't want him)

 

Cheap option is Ruben Tejada. Wilmer Flores has emerged a bit for New York. In the race and desperate for offense, maybe they'd move Tejada for Valencia (same control and cost; Valencia covers for Wright and lets Murphy play 2B).

[DuckDuckGose]

You would have to think the Jays would then acquire a SS. What SS are getting traded besides Tulo? (Really don't want him)

 

I could see the Cubs finally moving Starlin Castro but I'm not sure I'd want him at this point

[LTR]

The Marlins trade didn't work out that poorly for the Jays. JJ got hurt and Bonifacio is terrible but otherwise Buehrle, Buck and Reyes have been as expected. AA knew he was sacrificing some future value to get players that could make an immediate impact. The Dickey trade was just bad.

 

I can't have this conversation.

[DuckDuckGose]

Cashner is an injury risk and Ross would need another top prospect.

 

Yup, I'm not opposed to adding for the right piece though and you have to take risks to win. That being said I'm content staying put and don't want to see another bad deal like the Dickey move.

[DuckDuckGose]

I can't have this conversation.

 

If you take the hindsight out of it it was a good deal, not much to discuss.

[GD]

Cheap option is Ruben Tejada. Wilmer Flores has emerged a bit for New York. In the race and desperate for offense, maybe they'd move Tejada for Valencia (same control and cost; Valencia covers for Wright and lets Murphy play 2B).

 

North offered me him++ for a first for like two weeks then dropped him

 

He'd actually be pretty nice. Not a guy like Miller but good.

[Laika]

North offered me him++ for a first for like two weeks then dropped him

 

He'd actually be pretty nice. Not a guy like Miller but good.

 

Another interesting option - take on Jimmy Rollins' contract for the rest of the year (lets LAD promote Seager).

 

Maybe we're overreacting about Reyes though. He was worth 3.4 WAR last year and neither the offensive peripherals nor the defensive skills seem to have changed.

[LTR]

If you take the hindsight out of it it was a good deal, not much to discuss.

 

Now you're arguing two different things... first you said "The Marlins trade didn't work out that poorly for the Jays" and now you're saying "if you take the hindsight out of it it was a good deal". Either you're evaluating the trade at the time of the trade or you're evaluating it now.

[GD]

Another interesting option - take on Jimmy Rollins' contract for the rest of the year (lets LAD promote Seager).

 

We don't have an SS coming up, though. Unfortunately now would be a great time to have Trea Turner, lol.

 

Idk we could just take Clint Barmes back in the trade from San Diego as a short term option. Cliff Pennington could be another really good stopgap option, BreakingBlue's xSeries have him as a 117 wRC+ guy YTD (quite the difference), he'd cost absolutely nothing. But really no long term options at SS unless we bought Ian Desmond or Mike Aviles or something gross.

[DuckDuckGose]

Now you're arguing two different things... first you said "The Marlins trade didn't work out that poorly for the Jays" and now you're saying "if you take the hindsight out of it it was a good deal". Either you're evaluating the trade at the time of the trade or you're evaluating it now.

 

It isn't one or the other. It was a good deal that didn't work out for the Jays. It happens.

[DuckDuckGose]

Another interesting option - take on Jimmy Rollins' contract for the rest of the year (lets LAD promote Seager).

 

Maybe we're overreacting about Reyes though. He was worth 3.4 WAR last year and neither the offensive peripherals nor the defensive skills seem to have changed.

 

What's the full gameplan in this scenario, trade Reyes + pitchers to SD then take on Rollins' contract for something minor?

[Laika]

What's the full gameplan in this scenario, trade Reyes + pitchers to SD then take on Rollins' contract for something minor?

 

more or less. Reyes wouldn't have to go to SDP though - he could be dumped on whatever team wants his contract (or most of it). But Toronto probably needs to shed his $$ in order to fit Shields into the budgetary picture this year.

 

And then you replace him with a sneaky value guy like Ruben Tejada, who is a RHB that could platoon with Goins, or a "free" vet like Rollins.

[TilsonBritoFan]

you see, this is why we need to dip into the FA market from time to time for a big splash. Its worth the gamble. If it doesn't work out you can often find a team to give you assets for a player you got for free. We gave up quality for Reyes, SD will get quality for Shields, and they got Shields for a freaking deal this year compared to the next 3 years...

 

Its a no brainer, you can usually move these contracts for assets if they don't work out, so long as they aren't too long.

 

E.g. if we put Martin on the market we'd get something for him...

[Laika]

you see, this is why we need to dip into the FA market from time to time for a big splash. Its worth the gamble. If it doesn't work out you can often find a team to give you assets for a player you got for free. We gave up quality for Reyes, SD will get quality for Shields, and they got Shields for a freaking deal this year compared to the next 3 years...

 

Its a no brainer, you can usually move these contracts for assets if they don't work out, so long as they aren't too long.

 

E.g. if we put Martin on the market we'd get something for him...

 

You have to get pretty lucky to find a taker though. Also, the Marlins lost a lot of goodwill with the public and potential free agents after the big trade, and the same will happen to SDP to an extent if they move Shields less than a year after convincing him to move his life to San Diego.

[DuckDuckGose]

more or less. Reyes wouldn't have to go to SDP though - he could be dumped on whatever team wants his contract (or most of it). But Toronto probably needs to shed his $$ in order to fit Shields into the budgetary picture this year.

 

And then you replace him with a sneaky value guy like Ruben Tejada, who is a RHB that could platoon with Goins, or a "free" vet like Rollins.

 

Hmm, interesting; free up $17M adn gamble on Rollins (who I think would hit with this lineup). Few buy-low options set to be FA's in the off-season as well so you can more than likely replace Reyes. I could get behind that.

[TilsonBritoFan]

Cashner is an injury risk and Ross would need another top prospect.

 

Do not want Ross unless its for cheap. He is a bit of a product of Petco. His minor league numbers never indicated he'd be a stud pitcher in MLB, and his 3 year home/away ERA split is not good: 2.48 HOME/4.61 ROAD

 

Don't get me wrong he'd be useful as a back of the rotation guy but that's his ceiling in the A.L. so I wouldnt give up much for him. We need front of the rotation arms

[TilsonBritoFan]

You have to get pretty lucky to find a taker though. Also, the Marlins lost a lot of goodwill with the public and potential free agents after the big trade, and the same will happen to SDP to an extent if they move Shields less than a year after convincing him to move his life to San Diego.

 

oh yeah, I'm not saying it should be some new way AA should take advantage of the market and do it every year or anything, I'm just saying if we take the plunge FOR ONCE and sign a guy, unless we hand out an incredibly stupid contract there will always be someone who might want to give us assets for that player should things go south.

[GD]

Do not want Ross unless its for cheap. He is a bit of a product of Petco. His minor league numbers never indicated he'd be a stud pitcher in MLB, and his 3 year home/away ERA split is not good: 2.48 HOME/4.61 ROAD

 

Don't get me wrong he'd be useful as a back of the rotation guy but that's his ceiling in the A.L. so I wouldnt give up much for him. We need front of the rotation arms

 

He's got a 3.2 xFIP, a 3.41 SIERA and gets swinging strikes at a fantastic rate. Home/road splits tend to be very noisy. He's a very good pitcher.

[GD]

oh yeah, I'm not saying it should be some new way AA should take advantage of the market and do it every year or anything, I'm just saying if we take the plunge FOR ONCE and sign a guy, unless we hand out an incredibly stupid contract there will always be someone who might want to give us assets for that player should things go south.

 

"FOR ONCE and sign a guy"

 

didn't you just mention Martin? lol

[Laika]

Do not want Ross unless its for cheap. He is a bit of a product of Petco. His minor league numbers never indicated he'd be a stud pitcher in MLB, and his 3 year home/away ERA split is not good: 2.48 HOME/4.61 ROAD

 

Don't get me wrong he'd be useful as a back of the rotation guy but that's his ceiling in the A.L. so I wouldnt give up much for him. We need front of the rotation arms

 

Ross is good but he has some of the worst SP mechanics out there, and he's like 80% sliders. He's a level 10 injury risk.

[jays_fever]

Brad Miller pls

 

Who's going to play LF for the M's then?

[DuckDuckGose]

Ross is good but he has some of the worst SP mechanics out there, and he's like 80% sliders. He's a level 10 injury risk.

 

Could say the same thing about Chris Sale

[GD]

Who's going to play LF for the M's then?

 

I was gonna joke and say Chris Colabello but then I realized that might not be a joke.

[L54]

Colabello is the perfect fit for Jack Z. First basemen playing a corner outfield spot poorly with an imaginary bat.

[Laika]

Could say the same thing about Chris Sale

 

Right, but when a guy is a super Ace you don't really care how he gets it done

[CrackerJack]

what's the most you'd give up for Chapman? (that could be acceptable to the Reds)

[flafson]

what's the most you'd give up for Chapman? (that could be acceptable to the Reds)

 

Pompey.