2015 Trade Deadline Targets Thread.

[TheHurl]

Except Zunino is a fantastic framer while Navarro is a replacement level player.

 

With so many great framers now isn't this value really going down. I mean it's a teachable skill. If Zunino bat isn't going to improve they'd be better off acquiring a potential league average in glove and bat and teaching the skill to them.

[DuckDuckGose]

Except Zunino is a fantastic framer while Navarro is a replacement level player.

 

36 K% (worst in MLB), .223 OBP (last in MLB), .515 OPS (last in MLB), 16.3 SwgStr% (5th last in MLB), 45 wRC+ (2nd last in MLB), . It's all well and he is a decent framer but he's quite possibly the least valuable hitter in MLB. I don't care how good you are defensively (and Zunino is just a touch above average) if Ryan Goins and John MacDonald are better hitters than you, you don't deserve MLB at bats.

[Abomination]

Well what would they give up for Navarro? I don't think they make the playoffs this year either but their roster is built to compete. IMO it makes sense to start building for next season and they need an actual MLB C ASAP to make that happen. If the Jays offered Navarro + whatever is = to to the comp pick (I thought RA but I guess not judging by everyone's reactions) is pretty fair.

 

I'm not even sure what a fit would be if Seattle is looking to add, unless they sent Happ back our way again for him. That's about the only thing I can see that would make any kind of sense in that scenario.

 

If Seattle falls out of it, Austin Jackson could be somewhat interesting as a short term fix for us in the field though.

[GD]

With so many great framers now isn't this value really going down. I mean it's a teachable skill. If Zunino bat isn't going to improve they'd be better off acquiring a potential league average in glove and bat and teaching the skill to them.

 

Sure I'm just talking about his value relative to Navarro. As much as DDG wants to believe Navarro is more valuable than Zunino somehow he really isn't

 

The best answer for Seattle is C.) none of the above

[LTR]

With so many great framers now isn't this value really going down. I mean it's a teachable skill. If Zunino bat isn't going to improve they'd be better off acquiring a potential league average in glove and bat and teaching the skill to them.

 

Average extra strike per 100 chances for all catchers:

 

2008: 22.2%

2009: 7.9%

2010: 26.1%

2011: 36.6%

2012: 29.7%

2013: 36.5%

2014: 44.6%

2015: 17.4%

 

So 2014 was the year of the framer, but framing has taken a nose dive so far this year. Are the umps smartening up?

[Abomination]

Actually a Navarro for Dejesus swap could make some sense. Rene Rivera's bat might be worse than Zunino's, and the Rays have the outfield depth for it to make sense for them. Both players are on expiring contracts.

[GD]

Actually a Navarro for Dejesus swap could make some sense. Rene Rivera's bat might be worse than Zunino's, and the Rays have the outfield depth for it to make sense for them. Both players are on expiring contracts.

 

You think a statistically oriented team like the Rays wants Navarro? lol

[DuckDuckGose]

Sure I'm just talking about his value relative to Navarro. As much as DDG wants to believe Navarro is more valuable than Zunino somehow he really isn't

 

The best answer for Seattle is C.) none of the above

 

Put down the crack and walk away

[Abomination]

You think a statistically oriented team like the Rays wants Navarro? lol

 

It didn't stop them from using him as their primary catcher from 2008 to 2010, and he may be one of the only available options they could pick up that wouldn't cost them something they would hate parting with. His framing numbers also probably improve considerably with them, since most of their pitchers have excellent command. It's tough to frame pitches when you have no freaking idea where they're going to be thrown.

[GD]

Put down the crack and walk away

 

Based on your history I'm assuming the next post will be "I might entertain Navarro for Trout"

[DuckDuckGose]

Based on your history I'm assuming the next post will be "I might entertain Navarro for Trout"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

 

Nuff said.

[GD]

Yes that was a completely serious post good work

 

I liked the "Nuff said." Very gritty.

[Slot Machine]

Oh wow.

 

Believes Dickey and Navarro have trade value - Call's another poster out for being on da crack - Expects a serious response.

[BTS]

Oh, we're still acting like Navarro is a desirable commodity for well-run teams?

[Jimcanuck]

Navarro is a excellent, very strong catch...... candidate for DFA

[DuckDuckGose]

Yes that was a completely serious post good work

 

I liked the "Nuff said." Very gritty.

 

You're busting out all the classics I see, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem.

[Slot Machine]

Put down the crack and walk away

 

You're busting out all the classics I see, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem.

[GD]

Oh, we're still acting like Navarro is a desirable commodity for well-run teams?

 

Apparently

 

You're busting out all the classics I see, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem.

 

Your lack of self awareness floors me.

[Spanky99]

Jewish fight^^^^

[GD]

Jewish fight^^^^

 

lol

[DuckDuckGose]

Apparently

 

 

 

Your lack of self awareness floors me.

 

Asking you to make a logical argument is ad hominem? If you want to discuss anything I've posted I'm all for it but I'm not going to argue strawmen or ad hominem with you.

[GD]

Asking you to make a logical argument is ad hominem? If you want to discuss anything I've posted I'm all for it but I'm not going to argue strawmen or ad hominem with you.

 

You told me to put down the crack pipe and then told me I was making ad hominem arguments and you're confused as to why I don't feel like I can have a legitimate debate with you. Ok.

[flafson]

Better blocker than Martin, better game-caller, all around better person

 

Better food at home but worse hair dresser.

[DuckDuckGose]

You told me to put down the crack pipe and then told me I was making ad hominem arguments and you're confused as to why I don't feel like I can have a legitimate debate with you. Ok.

 

That's true and you know what my bad. I should've given you a better response. Navarro is a far better all around player than Zunino at this point. Zunino is more valuable because he's 24yo and has 3 yrs of control left but one has nothing to do with the other. They need to upgrade Zunino, he should be in AAA but they have no one to replace him. Trading for a short term catcher makes sense for them bc they need immediate help and Zunino is young and a high draft pick that will hopefully put it together over the next couple seasons.

[GD]

That's true and you know what my bad. I should've given you a better response. Navarro is a far better all around player than Zunino at this point. Zunino is more valuable because he's 24yo and has 3 yrs of control left but one has nothing to do with the other. They need to upgrade Zunino, he should be in AAA but they have no one to replace him. Trading for a short term catcher makes sense for them bc they need immediate help and Zunino is young and a high draft pick that will hopefully put it together over the next couple seasons.

 

If they're trading for Navarro they'd be in contention so they wouldn't trade Iwakuma for him.

 

Navarro + framing this year has been worth -0.2 WAR.

 

Zunino + framing this year has been worth +0.2 WAR.

 

Zunino has been better this year, is cheaper this year, has 3 years of control left, and has upside with the bat from his MiLB numbers.He's just a better asset and the Mariners have no need for Navarro.

[SultanofPoon]

They won't be trading for enough to fix this teams issues to be a serious contender.....should be sellers.

[GD]

yay Metallijay is backk

[Frenchsoup]

If we're talking Mariners trades, i wouldn't mind snagging Ackley off them.

[DuckDuckGose]

It's not about contending, it's about getting Zunino back on track in AAA and the offense going so that you can carry some momentum in to 2016. This year is basically done for them and with the youth they have in the system IMO Iwakuma is as good as gone in the off-season. Your argument stems from 100PA of Navarro this year, small sample size and all that. I don't suspect he'll be this bad the rest of the way. Needs to be moved somewhere to play C either way though.

 

IMO it'd make sense for the Mariners to make a deal for Iwakuma as I don't think he is in their long term plans. Navarro + the value of the comp pick (whatever you think that is) makes sense.

[Frenchsoup]

It's not about contending, it's about getting Zunino back on track in AAA and the offense going so that you can carry some momentum in to 2016. This year is basically done for them and with the youth they have in the system IMO Iwakuma is as good as gone in the off-season. Your argument stems from 100PA of Navarro this year, small sample size and all that. I don't suspect he'll be this bad the rest of the way. Needs to be moved somewhere to play C either way though.

 

IMO it'd make sense for the Mariners to make a deal for Iwakuma as I don't think he is in their long term plans. Navarro + the value of the comp pick (whatever you think that is) makes sense.

 

Kuma has way more value then this.