2015 Trade Deadline Targets Thread.

[jaysforlife19]

Jays are now 21/30 in SIERA. 3.94. Considering we were dead last about a month ago is encouraging. We need at least 1 arm though. Still want Ian Kennedy.

[HERPDERP]

Is Norris considered attractive? I find him goofy looking. If they want to attract the ladies they should bring in Matt Kemp

 

Look at the twitter replies anytime he posts. It's ridiculous.

 

Then again, my friend was in love with Rasmus and was devastated to find out that he no longer played. Whatever floats people's boat. Maybe someone finds Aaron Harang attractive...

[Atothe]

Is Norris considered attractive? I find him goofy looking. If they want to attract the ladies they should bring in Matt Kemp

 

North you actually liked this post, are you advocating for the trade of Kemp?

[jaysforlife19]

. Maybe someone finds Aaron Harang attractive...

 

I doubt that.

[DuckDuckGose]

Look at the twitter replies anytime he posts. It's ridiculous.

 

Then again, my friend was in love with Rasmus and was devastated to find out that he no longer played. Whatever floats people's boat. Maybe someone finds Aaron Harang attractive...

 

There's someone for everyone.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Jays are now 21/30 in SIERA. 3.94. Considering we were dead last about a month ago is encouraging. We need at least 1 arm though. Still want Ian Kennedy.

 

Kennedy sucks, that would be a let down.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Jays have scored 83 more runs than the NYY in 3 extra games. They do have better pitching but the Jays offense is far superior. And lets not forget that the Jays would be bringing in a pitcher to improve their staff. They don't need an ace they just need a couple more serviceable arms. Doubront/Norris/Sanchez probably fills the 5 spot and BP for the 2nd half. Bring in a guy like Ross, Shields, Hamels and this team should make the playoffs.

 

And the Yankees are going to sit on their ass and do nothing?

[SultanofPoon]

What sucks is 1 starter is probably not enough for this team. I don't want to trade Norris as I think he can contribute now. We also need a LF badly.

[DuckDuckGose]

And the Yankees are going to sit on their ass and do nothing?

 

They aren't really set up to do very much, I'm sure they'll add a couple minor pieces though.

[fireballW]

It would be hilarious if we traded real assets for Shields.

 

Why would it be hilarious? Jays very likely went for Shields and he probably wanted no part of them. All players don't sign just for the money. Shield signed a pretty reasonable contract and wanted to play in SD to be near family. It was pretty obvious at the time that even if we had offered him a better contract he'd have likely gone to SD. Unfortunately for him he did not get a no trade claus in his contract. I don't see why acquiring a pitcher that everyone wanted a few months ago would be hilarious. If it is at a reasonable cost and makes the team better it should be celebrated.

[TwistedLogic]

I don't necessarily agree with trading those two, but how in the world do the Jays have an "excess" of MLB ready young controllable SP?

 

Are you joking? The idiots that are campaigning to trade Bautista and Edwin might be stupid, but they can't be stupid enough to think that the team would still contend in 2015 without them. Which means they're ready to tank in 2015 and set their sights on 2016, and in 2016, the Blue Jays have Stroman, Hutchison, Sanchez, Norris, Boyd and Osuna all ready for the majors, with maybe Castro and Hoffman on the way. How the hell is this team lacking controllable, MLB ready arms going into next season?

[fireballW]

Are you joking? The idiots that are campaigning to trade Bautista and Edwin might be stupid, but they can't be stupid enough to think that the team would still contend in 2015 without them. Which means they're ready to tank in 2015 and set their sights on 2016, and in 2016, the Blue Jays have Stroman, Hutchison, Sanchez, Norris, Boyd and Osuna all ready for the majors, with maybe Castro and Hoffman on the way. How the hell is this team lacking controllable, MLB ready arms going into next season?

 

Team could definitely contend if trading EE for a good pitcher, calling Pompey back up and letting Smoak and Valencia take on 1B. Seems they are going to keep using Fatty and CC anyway so they will be there to DH. EE hasn't done much this year and Smoak has looked really good. I don't doubt EE is obviously the better hitter but there offense would still be top notch now Travis is back.

[glory]

Are you joking? The idiots that are campaigning to trade Bautista and Edwin might be stupid, but they can't be stupid enough to think that the team would still contend in 2015 without them. Which means they're ready to tank in 2015 and set their sights on 2016, and in 2016, the Blue Jays have Stroman, Hutchison, Sanchez, Norris, Boyd and Osuna all ready for the majors, with maybe Castro and Hoffman on the way. How the hell is this team lacking controllable, MLB ready arms going into next season?

 

That list includes a 20-year old reliever who has never thrown more than 50 innings as a starter (Osuna), a starter with Kyle Drabek's command (Sanchez), a homer prone low ceiling prospect who scouts describe as having marginal stuff (Boyd), and one top prospect (Norris). The established young pitching includes a guy who will be coming off ACL surgery, and then someone who will now have two straight seasons of underperforming his FIP.

 

If that's an excess of young controllable and ready MLB SP talent, then the Jays are in trouble. The smart thing to do would be to keep Bautista and Edwin and sign pitchers (or trade for them). Keeping those two while counting on the pitchers you just named is insane.

 

The Mets have the type of excess you are trying to describe. The Jays aren't even close.

[Stangstag]

Team could definitely contend if trading EE for a good pitcher, calling Pompey back up and letting Smoak and Valencia take on 1B. Seems they are going to keep using Fatty and CC anyway so they will be there to DH. EE hasn't done much this year and Smoak has looked really good. I don't doubt EE is obviously the better hitter but there offense would still be top notch now Travis is back.

 

Yup. People are seriously underestimating how good our offense is right now. Take Edwin out of the lineup, its still a top 10 lineup in MLB.

[baubau]

Are you joking? The idiots that are campaigning to trade Bautista and Edwin might be stupid, but they can't be stupid enough to think that the team would still contend in 2015 without them. Which means they're ready to tank in 2015 and set their sights on 2016, and in 2016, the Blue Jays have Stroman, Hutchison, Sanchez, Norris, Boyd and Osuna all ready for the majors, with maybe Castro and Hoffman on the way. How the hell is this team lacking controllable, MLB ready arms going into next season?

 

Not necessarily. I can understand moving one of EE/Bau because it is going to be expensive and also unlikely you can retain both once their contracts are up. I would imagine both would be seeking at least 15-20M (more so on the high end). That is a lot to tie up for DH players (I know Bau isn't that now, but he will soon be moved into that role in the coming years). Moving EE for someone like Quintana for example would be f***ing awesome.

 

Replacing EE with Smoak/Valencia platoon as someone mentioned above could provide near what EE does in terms of offense and likely better defense.

 

I am not going to argue with your last point cause I believe it. The only thing I worry about is "MLB ready arms" vs "MLB arms" are two different things which is something I think you would worry about as well? Plus arms bust / get injured often. Nothing wrong with adding something stable. On top you can move arms for more hitting too down the road if that becomes a issue and you find yourself with a access of arms.

[HERPDERP]

Yup. People are seriously underestimating how good our offense is right now. Take Edwin out of the lineup, its still a top 10 lineup in MLB.

 

Uh, nope. I think we're overestimating how good our offense is.

 

Look at Valencia/Colabello/Smoak. They are NOT as good as they were in the first half. Not to mention Pillar and his +.400 BABIP in June.

 

Even Donaldson has massively cooled off in June, as did Martin. Bautista is slumping. Reyes has been s*** for awhile.

 

The offense will not be as good in the 2nd half as it was in the 1st half. The only guy I expect any consistency from is Travis.

[RealAccountant]

Are you joking? The idiots that are campaigning to trade Bautista and Edwin might be stupid, but they can't be stupid enough to think that the team would still contend in 2015 without them. Which means they're ready to tank in 2015 and set their sights on 2016, and in 2016, the Blue Jays have Stroman, Hutchison, Sanchez, Norris, Boyd and Osuna all ready for the majors, with maybe Castro and Hoffman on the way. How the hell is this team lacking controllable, MLB ready arms going into next season?

 

The team can definitely contend without edwin and Bautista

 

Looked at Edwin's numbers lately? An offensive core made up of Reyes Travis Donaldson Martin Smoak along with 1 or 2 good hitters is enough

 

Good offense means more 6-2 games. But really you just need to win 4-2 if you have good pitching. We aren't just talking about 2015. Anyone who thinks the Jays 1 game over .500 are contending is dilusiinal.

 

Bautista is also near his end. He is breaking down physically along with a decrease in power. If we wait till 2016 we will get nothing for them. What are our pitching assets then? We would all hope Norris and Hoffman become great starters but lets be realistic not every prospect will be a home run. The more young arms the Jays have now the greater the likelihood of their success in the second part of this decade

 

So what if the Jays win 83 84 games this year. Nothings changed. Would you rather they win 84 keeling Jose and edwin or 76 games but have 2 or 3 more young arms going into next year who can be front line starters

[fireballW]

Uh, nope. I think we're overestimating how good our offense is.

 

Look at Valencia/Colabello/Smoak. They are NOT as good as they were in the first half. Not to mention Pillar and his +.400 BABIP in June.

 

Even Donaldson has massively cooled off in June, as did Martin. Bautista is slumping. Reyes has been s*** for awhile.

 

The offense will not be as good in the 2nd half as it was in the 1st half. The only guy I expect any consistency from is Travis.

 

What kind of logic is this? Players slumping will continue to slump and players overperforming will begin to slump. Our offense has been the best in the league with EE not hitting well.

 

Nothing tells me Smoak will be worse. I've been pumping Smoak since we got him and the numbers show he should continue. CC and fatty are playing regularly either way. Smoak /Valencia 1B platoon would blow away what EE did in the 1st half. I'm not saying they would for sure be better than EE in the second half but nevertheless it is an option.

[DuckDuckGose]

What kind of logic is this? Players slumping will continue to slump and players overperforming will begin to slump. Our offense has been the best in the league with EE not hitting well.

 

Nothing tells me Smoak will be worse. I've been pumping Smoak since we got him and the numbers show he should continue. CC and fatty are playing regularly either way. Smoak /Valencia 1B platoon would blow away what EE did in the 1st half. I'm not saying they would for sure be better than EE in the second half but nevertheless it is an option.

 

Edwin hasn't hit well, Reyes hasn't hit well, Travis has been hurt and they are using replacement level players in LF. The offense is dominant and expected to get better in the 2nd half.

[HERPDERP]

What kind of logic is this? Players slumping will continue to slump and players overperforming will begin to slump. Our offense has been the best in the league with EE not hitting well.

 

Nothing tells me Smoak will be worse. I've been pumping Smoak since we got him and the numbers show he should continue. CC and fatty are playing regularly either way. Smoak /Valencia 1B platoon would blow away what EE did in the 1st half. I'm not saying they would for sure be better than EE in the second half but nevertheless it is an option.

 

Slump =/= regression to the mean.

[Daniel Labude]

Bautista for Puig and Urias

[RealAccountant]

Now is the time to trade Bautista and Encarnacion for young controllable pitching

[reedjohnsonfan]

Bautista for Puig and Urias

 

0% on that one pal

[CrackerJack]

Now is the time to trade Bautista and Encarnacion for young controllable pitching

 

does any team want to give the Jays a good young pitcher for a year and 2 months of the DH Edwin? (that'd be nice)

[RealAccountant]

does any team want to give the Jays a good young pitcher for a year and 2 months of the DH Edwin? (that'd be nice)

 

He has a controllable low money option next year

[HERPDERP]

does any team want to give the Jays a good young pitcher for a year and 2 months of the DH Edwin? (that'd be nice)

 

The Cubs would've been the nicest fit (they have pitching and need offense) but they have no room for Edwin.

 

Maybe we can have a threesome?

[Daniel Labude]

0% on that one pal

 

I'll take just Puig at this point. Bautista is regressing towards his age and next year it will be noticeable

[CrackerJack]

He has a controllable low money option next year

 

 

right, that's why I said a "year and 2 months" of Eddie.

[RealAccountant]

right, that's why I said a "year and 2 months" of Eddie.

 

Yes I think so. Orioles might be a good candidate as well as the Mariners Royals among others

[CrackerJack]

Yes I think so. Orioles might be a good candidate as well as the Mariners Royals among others

 

well, I don't think the Jays & O's will be making a deal anytime soon ... but, yeah, if there's a fit with other teams then great!