2015 Trade Deadline Targets Thread.

[DuckDuckGose]

Yes I realize....someone asked me if I am ready to trade Sanchez for Shark

 

I wouldn't trade either for a rental. Shark would walk too, Jays won't go long enough to sign big money pitchers.

[DuckDuckGose]

Okay maybe not a steal but it's a pretty good deal for a win-now team.

 

Just sign Shark in the offseason if you want him that bad and saved the assets for better long term help.

[RealAccountant]

I think the saddest part of this season is that AA Acquired 3 big time players in the offseason. Donaldson, Travis, and Martin, and all of a sudden it feels like everyone else in the core, except for Burly, all took one step back. That is the dissapointment. If they all had atleast maintained last seasons performance, we would be in a different place right now.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Yes I realize....someone asked me if I am ready to trade Sanchez for Shark

 

That was me. I would 100% trade Sanchez for Samardzija and it's not even a discussion. But you seem to think Sanchez is an ace in the making, or something close to that.

[Spanky__99]

lol...some peoples kids man?!

[reedjohnsonfan]

I wouldn't trade either for a rental. Shark would walk too, Jays won't go long enough to sign big money pitchers.

 

You wouldn't trade Sanchez for Samardzija are you guys being serious here? I actually think Norris is in the discussion for him and not Sanchez. Take a look at what it has taken to get top rotation pitchers in the past. Samardzija is possibly the 3rd best starting pitcher who will probably get dealt this month, Sanchez has some upside but hasn't shown he can put it together yet and likely never will (or at least to the extent that some people think). 100% you deal him for a rental borderline #1 pitcher.

[Abomination]

You wouldn't trade Sanchez for Samardzija are you guys being serious here? I actually think Norris is in the discussion for him and not Sanchez. Take a look at what it has taken to get top rotation pitchers in the past. Samardzija is possibly the 3rd best starting pitcher who will probably get dealt this month, Sanchez has some upside but hasn't shown he can put it together yet and likely never will (or at least to the extent that some people think). 100% you deal him for a rental borderline #1 pitcher.

 

I wouldn't be too happy about trading Sanchez for a 2ish month rental, and definitely not Norris. Now if we get someone good and controllable for a few years, sure.

[DuckDuckGose]

You wouldn't trade Sanchez for Samardzija are you guys being serious here? I actually think Norris is in the discussion for him and not Sanchez. Take a look at what it has taken to get top rotation pitchers in the past. Samardzija is possibly the 3rd best starting pitcher who will probably get dealt this month, Sanchez has some upside but hasn't shown he can put it together yet and likely never will (or at least to the extent that some people think). 100% you deal him for a rental borderline #1 pitcher.

 

I wouldn't deal him or Hutch for a rental. I also think it would be best to just bump him to the BP to fill that high leverage role.

[DuckDuckGose]

I wouldn't be too happy about trading Sanchez for a 2ish month rental, and definitely not Norris. Now if we get someone good and controllable for a few years, sure.

 

For Hamels or Chapman and Cueto I'd do it.

[Abomination]

For Hamels or Chapman and Cueto I'd do it.

 

Hamels isn't a rental, and I think Chapman is controllable through 2016 too isn't he?

[DuckDuckGose]

Hamels isn't a rental, and I think Chapman is controllable through 2016 too isn't he?

 

Ya neither are rentals, that's why if do it.

[RealAccountant]

Going back to last year, This team was in a playoff spot on July 31st. Yet there was no move made. None. I never understood that. AA is so anxious to make a move this season, talking we are going to do this, we are going to do that, and yet when he had the opportunity last year to add, he made no moves

 

This is why I am fully convinced that at the end of the day, this guy does not have a strategy. Gibbons on the radio the other day mentioned that how its July and for the first time we are in it. What you f***ing clown you forgot last year when you were leading the division in july by 2 and a half game. Do you guys understand? These clowns are so beyond what is required to succeed,

 

I have a half a mind to think that it was Billy Beane that wanted Lawrie that Donaldson ended up here. Same with Travis, wouldn't surprise me if Detroit actually initiated that deal.

[RealAccountant]

Ownership wouldn't give him more money to add anyone at the deadline last year. That's why payroll is down now... He's leaving a buffer for a deadline addition (I hope it's not ownership just pulling money back outright).

 

To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't give him any money either. I am surprised that Rogers has continued on this path to employ the current regime. If you look at the track history with the Leafs and Raptors, they have hired premier presidents and employed long term strategies. I think that was the attempt last summer with Douqette. To bad it didn't work out.

[Stangstag]

I'd puke if we traded anything of value for Samardzja without a guaranteed extension.

[glory]

Any trade AA can realistically make would be a long term disaster that won't even guarantee short term success.

 

F that. Keep the prospects and don't make the same mistake that was made a few years ago. Unless he can get someone with many years of control left, I'd rather be do nothing.

[RealAccountant]

Ya. The Toronto Maple Leafs and Toronto Raptors are a model for success.

 

You've missed my point

 

Rogers has been an owner in the two for only two years. On both sides they have now employed long term strategies.

 

Please try and actually read the posts

[bronson44]

Any trade AA can realistically make would be a long term disaster that won't even guarantee short term success.

 

F that. Keep the prospects and don't make the same mistake that was made a few years ago. Unless he can get someone with many years of control left, I'd rather be do nothing.

 

Prospects will be traded. You should probably just accept it now. Wouldn't you dip into the farm you built to try and save your job?

[glory]

Prospects will be traded. You should probably just accept it now. Wouldn't you dip into the farm you built to try and save your job?

 

If I was in AA's position, yes.

 

As a fan, I think it sucks.

[bronson44]

If I was in AA's position, yes.

 

As a fan, I think it sucks.

 

I don't. I'm tired of this no playoff ********. Talent is emerging every year out of the low minors as a byproduct of our good scouting and drafting. Farm/franchise will be fine. Maybe I'll get attached to Jose Espada or something but for right now, bye Van Norrison! Have a nice career with the Reds or whatever.

[Brownie19]

I don't. I'm tired of this no playoff ********. Talent is emerging every year out of the low minors as a byproduct of our good scouting and drafting. Farm/franchise will be fine. Maybe I'll get attached to Jose Espada or something but for right now, bye Van Norrison! Have a nice career with the Reds or whatever.

 

And when we miss the playoffs and that deal sets us back a couple of years - you'll be happy?

[Brownie19]

That was me. I would 100% trade Sanchez for Samardzija and it's not even a discussion. But you seem to think Sanchez is an ace in the making, or something close to that.

 

Actually - the thought is Shark isn't going to be enough to make this team a playoff team (let alone a WS contender) and thus why deal a young pitcher for a 2 month rental (even if it's Sanchez). Shark is NOT a #1. He's better than what we have, but he's not a difference maker that Cueto/Hamels are.

[HERPDERP]

I'd puke if we traded anything of value for Samardzja without a guaranteed extension.

 

When Samardzija was with the Cubs he vowed to be the highest paid pitcher in history. Obviously he hasn't been as good as warranted, but it just shows that he is intent on going into FA.

[Governator]

If the price for Shark is lower, then he's the guy to target.

 

 

Who has the best chance of being successful against the AL East at the homer dome? None of them have much of a track record against our opponents and there's always a risk bringing an NL pitcher to the AL East basing projections on all things equal. Maybe they should consider AL rentals instead? (I understand Shark is AL, but still very limited experience vs AL East).

[TheHurl]

Who has the best chance of being successful against the AL East at the homer dome?

 

Also known as a good pitcher

[Governator]

Shark averages 94, has three plus pitches and hardly walks anyone. I wouldn't be worried about this all; he has legit top-of-rotation stuff.

 

Not having to face the Blue Jays would also significantly reduce whatever effect you believe exists for this division.

 

 

Yes, I'm not suggesting he's not a front of the rotation arm nor will he be successful. It's just a lot of arms from the NL don't always translate in to success in the AL and our division has many potent bats (including DH spots) in hitter friendly parks. Hamels/Cueto might not be best suited here. I guess if the rental choices are limited to Cueto/Shark, I'd prefer whoever between them is more likely to succeed here rather than who might cost more. Shark's already made the jump to the AL and maybe less of a risk. Josh Johnson didn't exactly pan out for us.

 

Too bad Boston is finding success because Buchholz was probably available.

[G-Snarls]

Did we ever find out what the Cubs wanted from AA for Samardzija in his last year there?

[TheHurl]

Did we ever find out what the Cubs wanted from AA for Samardzija in his last year there?

 

Stroman +

[G-Snarls]

Stroman +

 

Meh. Of course.

[G-Snarls]

Presented without comment:

 

[SAAviour]

The Marlins are telling teams that they are prepared to field offers for a variety of short-term assets, Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald reports. Specifically, Miami is prepared to find deals for pitchers Mat Latos, Dan Haren, and Brad Hand as well as utilityman Jeff Baker.

 

Each of the players listed above, with the exception of Hand, is set to hit the open market after the season. With the Marlins sitting behind every team in baseball except for the woeful Phillies, Spencer says the organization has “reached the jumping-off point” for acting as a seller.

 

Latos and Haren obviously have the most potential appeal of the players listed. The starters have had rather different seasons thus far, Latos underperforming generally promising peripherals (4.90 ERA, 3.84 SIERA) and Haren doing just the opposite (3.34 ERA, 4.11 SIERA). The 27-year-old Latos is said to have shown a promising velocity uptick in recent starts, though he’s owed the balance of a $9.4 salary this year and has an unsettling injury history. Haren, 34, continues to see his average fastball drop towards the mid-80s and has benefited from a low BABIP and high strand rate, but he still doesn’t walk anyone and the Dodgers are on the hook for all of his salary.

 

While Miami might hope to achieve some real value for those pitchers, it is not clear that there’s much to get back for Hand or Baker. Working mostly as a reliever, the out-of-options Hand has scuffled to a 5.80 ERA over 40 1/3 innings, though he has suffered from the exact opposite BABIP/LOB rates that have aided Haren. As for Baker, the 34-year-old rates at or below replacement level for the last several years. He’s not very highly regarded for his glove, and is mostly useful against lefties, but has not really even hit them all that well this year.

 

One other player that Spencer notes could be moved is former closer Steve Cishek. He’s been much better since returning to the big leagues, but still looks like a non-tender candidate after the season and is hardly the most certain relief asset a contender could find on the market. Cishek is playing on a $6.65MM salary this year, so Miami will likely need to pay a good chunk of that to find a taker.