Jays align Stroman’s start with McGowan’s

[ElNik2013]

Boyd is still a year away. He should make it to New Hampshire and pitch 100 IP there this season.

 

 

For sure, I didn't mean to mention Boyd as a rotation option this year, it's just that he was a 6th round pick and Nolin was a low pick as well. And they're both lefties, lol.

[The_DH]

How has the team screwed around with McGowan this year? Unless he means they've wasted starts by giving them to him instead of Rodgers, Redmond or Happ?

 

 

Anyway, it's Zaun so take it with a grain of salt.

 

They screwed around by not giving him the innings in spring training or confirming in the offseason if he would start.

[ElNik2013]

They screwed around by not giving him the innings in spring training or confirming in the offseason if he would start.

 

 

 

I don't think that's legit criticism. McGowan got sick early in ST and missed 10 or so days, that set him back in terms of being stretched out. McGowan said he prepared in the off season as if he'd be a starter because the team would give him a chance as such.

 

Maybe they shouldn't have given him a starting spot, but that's not the argument he's making.

[The_DH]

I don't think that's legit criticism. McGowan got sick early in ST and missed 10 or so days, that set him back in terms of being stretched out. McGowan said he prepared in the off season as if he'd be a starter because the team would give him a chance as such.

 

Maybe they shouldn't have given him a starting spot, but that's not the argument he's making.

 

Agreed he was sick and missed but he should have been left back to stretch it out.

[GoldBull]

Nolin had a 2.88 SIERA in AA last year, and is at 2.88 this year in AAA. Nolin's high A was 2.92 in 2012.

 

http://minorleaguecentral.com/player?pid=543594

 

Dat consistency...

[ElNik2013]

Agreed he was sick and missed but he should have been left back to stretch it out.

 

 

He's out of options though.

 

Maybe they should've piggybacked him with Redmond and set a pitch limit. However, it seems to me like Gibbons didn't know McGowan was feeling fatigued at 65 pitches. Gibbons said he was a little bit bothered by McGowan's admission. This suggests to me that McGowan didn't tell Walker and/or Gibbons about this. On the other hand, maybe Walker should've noticed something.

[8D]

I love McGowan and would still like to see him get a few more chances if he doesn't look too bad and if his body blows up by then...

But RELEASE THE STROMAN!!!!!!!!!!

[The_DH]

He's out of options though.

 

Maybe they should've piggybacked him with Redmond and set a pitch limit. However, it seems to me like Gibbons didn't know McGowan was feeling fatigued at 65 pitches. Gibbons said he was a little bit bothered by McGowan's admission. This suggests to me that McGowan didn't tell Walker and/or Gibbons about this. On the other hand, maybe Walker should've noticed something.

 

If we had a real manager and veteran pitching coach they would have been on this. When we broke camp I thought it was weird to say Dustin was ready and I'm no pitching coach. Turns out he wasn't ready. He could have gone on the dl and stretched it out more.

[ElNik2013]

And Nolin is pitching today, Stroman and Nolin for McGowan and Morrow?

[ElNik2013]

No you have to ride Morrow. He was excellent before today.

 

 

 

Nolin should be next on the depth chart since they don't seem confident in Happ even with his new arm angle and what not.

[ElNik2013]

Nolin so far today:

 

4IP, 1H, 0ER, 4BB, 3K.

 

Looks like a wild day for the Blue Jays.

[KingKat]

Nolin had a 2.88 SIERA in AA last year, and is at 2.88 this year in AAA. Nolin's high A was 2.92 in 2012.

 

http://minorleaguecentral.com/player?pid=543594

 

That strikes me as a not insignificant difference especially given that Nolin is older than Stroman.

[KingKat]

I think you have that backwards as to what KK was intending.

 

I use a lot of double negatives.

 

In any case, would you concur?

[Daniel Labude]

I think it would be better for the team just to make the Stroman in place of McGowan move now before their next start.

[KingKat]

Agreed, Nolin should be the one coming up, meh!

 

If Nolin was a effective as Stroman, I think it would be a no brainer but the stats seem to suggest Stroman has already surpassed him while being two years younger.

[G-Snarls]

I think it would be better for the team just to make the Stroman in place of McGowan move now before their next start.

 

Yeah I don't know what they're waiting for now really. McGowan has pretty much already proven he can't handle the workload of being a starter right now. I REALLY wanted to see him succeed as a starter, and I might be tempted to give him another 2-3 starts just to see, but I really don't think it's going to work.

[KingKat]

Yeah I don't know what they're waiting for now really. McGowan has pretty much already proven he can't handle the workload of being a starter right now. I REALLY wanted to see him succeed as a starter, and I might be tempted to give him another 2-3 starts just to see, but I really don't think it's going to work.

 

It sucks for McGowan that the entire rotation is struggling to provide innings. If others were picking up the slack, the team could easily give him those 2-3 starts but the team can't really afford to keep experimenting and it's way too early in the season to be putting McGowan's interest ahead of the team.

[jaysblue]

Yeah I don't know what they're waiting for now really. McGowan has pretty much already proven he can't handle the workload of being a starter right now. I REALLY wanted to see him succeed as a starter, and I might be tempted to give him another 2-3 starts just to see, but I really don't think it's going to work.

 

In a perfect world, he should have just been used as a reliever (had success last season out of the pen). If the Jays managed to sign Santana, McGowan likely would have been in the pen. I was excited to see him succeed as a starter again, though clearly I think his time is running short in the rotation. His next start likely will be his last one, unless he shows he can go out there and give them a quality outing. I wouldn't be surprised to see Stroman making his MLB debut next weekend, especially if McGowan can't get through 5 innings.

[jaysblue]

It sucks for McGowan that the entire rotation is struggling to provide innings. If others were picking up the slack, the team could easily give him those 2-3 starts but the team can't really afford to keep experimenting and it's way too early in the season to be putting McGowan's interest ahead of the team.

 

Completely agreed. And the same could be said about Brandon Morrow as well. His rotation spot should be in jeopardy and the Jays can't keep running him out there thinking he's going to cash in on all that potential. Thing is, other than Stroman its not like the Jays have any better options.

[KingKat]

I see what you mean, but I'd rather have Stroman pitch until June and save the Super 2 status from kicking in a year early.

 

I'm really not sure what they should do. Happ to the rotation would seem the logical choice but his track record for providing innings isn't so hot. He's more of a five and dive guy and there's too much of that going around as it is. Can Stroman provide length? Can Nolin? Redmond seems to have been shifted into more of a short relief role so he will be hard to stretch out now and Rogers just isn't pitching well enough to deserve consideration. Aligning Stroman with McGowan at least give the Jays the option of giving him his spot. They could still go to Happ but the way things have gone lately, the rotation is looking like it needs more than Happ. It could really use a really good pitcher and Stroman at least potentially is that. If the rest of the rotation were doing better, there would be more luxury to wait on Stroman and that would be preferrable but you can't tank the season because of Super Two either.

[ElNik2013]

Yeah, I get all that, but if a guy runs out of gas and they want to hold these long guys than use them. Piggy back there ass and any sign of trouble pull them. As for situations like today, use a high leverage RP to get out of the mess, and use a long man after. It wasn't fair to throw Jenkins in like that today, they should've used Loup to get out of the mess, than Jenkins. They most likely would have won that game.

 

P.S. As for Stroman or Nolin, I'm game either way. The Birds just need to utilize this situation more efficiently.

 

 

What makes not bringing in Loup or Cecil to get out of the 3rd worse was that they both pitched later on in the game down by 4. If Loup had gotten the out within a batter or 2, he could've gone out for the 4th as well. I said I would've even brought in Happ before Jenkins, but anyway, too late now.

[flafson]

What makes not bringing in Loup or Cecil to get out of the 3rd worse was that they both pitched later on in the game down by 4. If Loup had gotten the out within a batter or 2, he could've gone out for the 4th as well. I said I would've even brought in Happ before Jenkins, but anyway, too late now.

 

In the pre-game Gibby talked about Jenkins and he said he's effective at getting ground balls outs, he put him there because he thought he could get the job done.

[ElNik2013]

In the pre-game Gibby talked about Jenkins and he said he's effective at getting ground balls outs, he put him there because he thought he could get the job done.

 

The fact that Gibbons thinks Jenkins is effective at getting ground balls doesn't make his decision correct. You use your better relievers in high leverage situations regardless of what inning it is. Gibbons chose to go with his worst reliever, a guy who was only called up because Wagner has options. He's maybe their 10th best reliever, he should only pitch in games already decided. Happ would've been a better choice.

[BlueJaysGirl]

I think that if/when Stroman comes up, we should just cut our losses with Redmond & Rogers and just DFA both of them. I'd much rather Wagner and McGowan in the pen than the two of those guys.

 

Yeah, it's time to trim the dead wood.

 

It's a travesty that Wagner is down again. I trust him more for a save than Santos at this stage.

 

Is there even a chance they could find their way back to the Buffalo Bisons without being grabbed?

[BlueJaysGirl]

Does anyone think Jenkins would be a decent starter with upside? Over Morrow I mean?

 

BTW, I think Morrow's done as a starter.

[jays4life19]

Does anyone think Jenkins would be a decent starter with upside? Over Morrow I mean?

 

BTW, I think Morrow's done as a starter.

 

Nope. Jenkins is a depth AAA guy to me who can be used to spot start.

 

I haven't given up on Morrow.

[Jimcanuck]

Starters can't pitch past the 6th, the bullpen is being taxed.... damn, I hope we don't see pitchers getting injured or this team is f***ed...

 

or not f***ed, depending on your point of view

 

f***ed, because the season is shot, or not f***ed, because Beeston and AA are let go and aging veterans like Bautista, Reyes, etc get moved for youth

[jayswin11]

nothing lost by giving Jenkins a half dozen starts, just to see.

[Jimcanuck]

nothing lost by giving Jenkins a half dozen starts, just to see.

 

right, just 6 games lost, big deal

[BlueJaysGirl]

Starters can't pitch past the 6th, the bullpen is being taxed.... damn, I hope we don't see pitchers getting injured or this team is f***ed...

 

or not f***ed, depending on your point of view

 

f***ed, because the season is shot, or not f***ed, because Beeston and AA are let go and aging veterans like Bautista, Reyes, etc get moved for youth

 

Okay, this is probably comparing apples to oranges, but what if by late June there IS a fire sale, and all the Edwin's, Bautistas, etc. are sold off for great prospects, etc. We could hopefully shed the MB abd Reyes contracts, too. Anyone making more than $5M. Maybe include Rasmus, if we get a better deal for him than offering a QO. We could have the best farm system in the majors and have a low payroll. We could choose to extend Lawrie, we'd certainly have the payroll flexibility, and maybe start some of those prospects we've just traded for since it wouldn't start their arbitration clock early (assuming the prospects weren't up before June). Maybe we pull a Raptors and the kids make things interesting down the stretch?

 

I think a guy like Dickey would be really appealing to several teams, especially those he's pitched well against historically. D'arnaud and Syndegaard grade interesting? No effing way, but maybe one good prospects and a B guy.

 

This is a scenario that is really appealing to me.

 

 

 

I don't think we have the right mix of starting pitching and vets to contend.

Edited April 27, 2014 by BlueJaysGirl