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1 hour ago, Laika said:

Could put Corbin on the Gentleman's IL. 

I have no problem with optioning Macko and cutting Seabold. 

I'd prefer to keep SWR for now 

Yeah I don't think anyone cares about cutting Seabold. 

I would definitely hang onto SWR though.  He's definitely going to need to eat some innings if we keep letting Scherzer and Corbin start.

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7 minutes ago, JaysFan99 said:

Yeah I don't think anyone cares about cutting Seabold. 

I would definitely hang onto SWR though.  He's definitely going to need to eat some innings if we keep letting Scherzer and Corbin start.

If he pitches like last night he may get starts over them two even 

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2 hours ago, BTS said:

So how much leash does Gimenez actually have as an everyday player? The team can't pencil him in as their starting SS next year if he keeps hitting like he has the last 2.5 years, and its hard to see that changing at this point. 

He's not a starting caliber player even with the defense. Projected for a 2.5 WAR by the end of the season but they are expecting a 90+ wRC+ from him during that span, and I think that's a big reach at this point. The sample size for him being a bad hitter is far greater now, and he's not stealing bases like he did previously (maybe due to injuries) so he's not even adding that much value there. I know JS values vetrin presents more than skill sometimes, but at the very least he has to accept that Gimenez is a platoon bat and stick someone else at 2B/SS against LHP. He has a 52 wRC+ against LHP since 2024. 

Atkins absorbing over $100M in guaranteed money for Gimenez and Straw has to be investigated. No other GM on the planet, regardless of available payroll, would have done that, much less given up an asset (Horwitz) in the process. At least Straw had a good 2025, and Gimenez had some big hits in the playoffs last year. 

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Yeah, we’ve gotta keep SWR. His velo was up, his Stuff+ was 94 (up from 87 with the Twins), and his Location+ was 108 (up from 95).

Seabold is the obvious cut and Macko (who is a little overrated right now) is optionable.

Beyond that, I wonder if Corbin’s days are numbered. Doesn't seem fair but he’s looking like a fringe #5 again, and I’m not sure he fits in the bullpen.

Even if Scherzer struggles and is IL'd, SWR and Bieber are probably better options than Corbin anyway and Yimi may be coming back as well. And if Corbin is throwing like junk, is he really worth cramming in the bullpen instead of just cutting him loose? If we get desperate to the point we need to go back to Corbin we could just use Chad Dallas and make a move at the deadline.

There’s always the Phantom IL too (aka the Dodgers Special). Maybe Corbin would be open to that but I think Fisher and Miles could be good Phantom IL candidates as well. Fisher is on pace for 85 innings, and Miles is already at 41 after barely pitching in pro ball, though I bet the Giants are watching that situation like a hawk.

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15 minutes ago, glory said:

He's not a starting caliber player even with the defense. Projected for a 2.5 WAR by the end of the season but they are expecting a 90+ wRC+ from him during that span, and I think that's a big reach at this point. The sample size for him being a bad hitter is far greater now, and he's not stealing bases like he did previously (maybe due to injuries) so he's not even adding that much value there. I know JS values vetrin presents more than skill sometimes, but at the very least he has to accept that Gimenez is a platoon bat and stick someone else at 2B/SS against LHP. He has a 52 wRC+ against LHP since 2024. 

Atkins absorbing over $100M in guaranteed money for Gimenez and Straw has to be investigated. No other GM on the planet, regardless of available payroll, would have done that, much less given up an asset (Horwitz) in the process. At least Straw had a good 2025, and Gimenez had some big hits in the playoffs last year. 

I don't know if the projections are that out of whack. They are projecting a .302 wOBA for him and his xwOBA was better than that just last season, he just got extremely unlucky.

And yes, his numbers SUCK this year, but hopefully it's just a bad May slump that is dragging his numbers down.

All that said, this isn't looking like the slick trade that I had hoped it would be. He's awfully expensive for a glove first player.

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11 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Yeah, we’ve gotta keep SWR. His velo was up, his Stuff+ was 94 (up from 87 with the Twins), and his Location+ was 108 (up from 95).

Seabold is the obvious cut and Macko (who is a little overrated right now) is optionable.

Beyond that, I wonder if Corbin’s days are numbered. Doesn't seem fair but he’s looking like a fringe #5 again, and I’m not sure he fits in the bullpen.

Even if Scherzer struggles and is IL'd, SWR and Bieber are probably better options than Corbin anyway and Yimi may be coming back as well. And if Corbin is throwing like junk, is he really worth cramming in the bullpen instead of just cutting him loose? If we get desperate to the point we need to go back to Corbin we could just use Chad Dallas and make a move at the deadline.

There’s always the Phantom IL too (aka the Dodgers Special). Maybe Corbin would be open to that but I think Fisher and Miles could be good Phantom IL candidates as well. Fisher is on pace for 85 innings, and Miles is already at 41 after barely pitching in pro ball, though I bet the Giants are watching that situation like a hawk.

What do you guys think of my use of bolding names in this post?

I am testing a few things out here and since I speak ball at a really high level I thought it might help you all follow along. Just trying to help because I'm a good guy.

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Gimenez was 95th percentile sprint speed a few years ago, now he is 65th. Speed is gone. Not coming back. 

Sadness. 

That is a small part of why his hitting is down as well. He was probably able to beat out a dozen infield hits a year when he was 23 that just aren't happening now. 

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Posted
Just now, Terminator said:

What do you guys think of my use of bolding names in this post?

I am testing a few things out here and since I speak ball at a really high level I thought it might help you all follow along. Just trying to help because I'm a good guy.

Accessible and readable writing is a great approach in almost every venue of life. People with low IQs and poor reading comprehension LOVE:

  • Bolded words
  • Capitalized words
  • Headings
  • Lists 
  • Plain language (smaller words)
  • Examples when appropriate 
Posted
23 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Yeah, we’ve gotta keep SWR. His velo was up, his Stuff+ was 94 (up from 87 with the Twins), and his Location+ was 108 (up from 95).

Seabold is the obvious cut and Macko (who is a little overrated right now) is optionable.

Beyond that, I wonder if Corbin’s days are numbered. Doesn't seem fair but he’s looking like a fringe #5 again, and I’m not sure he fits in the bullpen.

Even if Scherzer struggles and is IL'd, SWR and Bieber are probably better options than Corbin anyway and Yimi may be coming back as well. And if Corbin is throwing like junk, is he really worth cramming in the bullpen instead of just cutting him loose? If we get desperate to the point we need to go back to Corbin we could just use Chad Dallas and make a move at the deadline.

There’s always the Phantom IL too (aka the Dodgers Special). Maybe Corbin would be open to that but I think Fisher and Miles could be good Phantom IL candidates as well. Fisher is on pace for 85 innings, and Miles is already at 41 after barely pitching in pro ball, though I bet the Giants are watching that situation like a hawk.

It's a little early to make any declarations about SWR. He had something like a 10+ day break in between outings and he'll need to prove that he can continue to show improved stuff with more frequent usage.

Posted
Just now, max silver said:

It's a little early to make any declarations about SWR. He had something like a 10+ day break in between outings and he'll need to prove that he can continue to show improved stuff with more frequent usage.

Yeah that's fair lol

I'm pretty down on Corbin though

Posted
29 minutes ago, Laika said:

Gimenez was 95th percentile sprint speed a few years ago, now he is 65th. Speed is gone. Not coming back. 

Sadness. 

That is a small part of why his hitting is down as well. He was probably able to beat out a dozen infield hits a year when he was 23 that just aren't happening now. 

Have to imagine those ankle injuries are catching up to him. Obviously he could've just peaked athletically already and is in somewhat of decline, but just in 2024 he was 89th percentile and tanked to 65th the following two seasons. His lower half might be kind of f***ed and I'm not sure if there's a way back to that. It's affecting his base running but surely it must also be affecting his hitting.

Posted
48 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Yeah, we’ve gotta keep SWR. His velo was up, his Stuff+ was 94 (up from 87 with the Twins), and his Location+ was 108 (up from 95).

Seabold is the obvious cut and Macko (who is a little overrated right now) is optionable.

Beyond that, I wonder if Corbin’s days are numbered. Doesn't seem fair but he’s looking like a fringe #5 again, and I’m not sure he fits in the bullpen.

Even if Scherzer struggles and is IL'd, SWR and Bieber are probably better options than Corbin anyway and Yimi may be coming back as well. And if Corbin is throwing like junk, is he really worth cramming in the bullpen instead of just cutting him loose? If we get desperate to the point we need to go back to Corbin we could just use Chad Dallas and make a move at the deadline.

There’s always the Phantom IL too (aka the Dodgers Special). Maybe Corbin would be open to that but I think Fisher and Miles could be good Phantom IL candidates as well. Fisher is on pace for 85 innings, and Miles is already at 41 after barely pitching in pro ball, though I bet the Giants are watching that situation like a hawk.

23 minutes ago, max silver said:

It's a little early to make any declarations about SWR. He had something like a 10+ day break in between outings and he'll need to prove that he can continue to show improved stuff with more frequent usage.

The main thing for SWR to maintain is the location more than the stuff. Obviously when his stuff is this mediocre to begin with, 87 to 94 is a significant jump, but it's even more important that he's hitting the spots consistently. When he was serviceable for the Twins the Stuff+ was bad - 90-91 but the Location+ was 97-106. He needs above average command to be valuable or he's going to get crushed.

Posted
3 minutes ago, Orgfiller said:

The main thing for SWR to maintain is the location more than the stuff. Obviously when his stuff is this mediocre to begin with, 87 to 94 is a significant jump, but it's even more important that he's hitting the spots consistently. When he was serviceable for the Twins the Stuff+ was bad - 90-91 but the Location+ was 97-106. He needs above average command to be valuable or he's going to get crushed.

I can agree that SWR needs to sufficiently command the baseball to maximize his chances of success. Having said that the worse the stuff is the more likely it becomes that even well located pitches lead to solid contact against him. I recall seeing somewhere that his arm angle had changed this season and wonder if this is something the Blue Jays are working towards addressing. I believe a key factor in whether he can turn his season around will be commanding the splitter more effectively. I believe that can potentially be an out pitch for him if he can avoid the number of apparent mistakes shown in the heat maps.

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