Laika Community Moderator Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 minute ago, Masterbather said: It's a problem that it's even a struggle for him to get the 30 home runs in the first place. He had a hot couple of months of 8 home runs in order to get there 2 years ago, he hasn't touched that since, until suddenly he finds eight home runs in 18 games against the toughest pitching in the postseason. WTF?! I get that he's more of a line drive hitter, but I'm sorry with his raw power 30 home runs should not be a struggle. He should be a 40 to 60 home run threat. Why does he swing to contact with less than two strikes? Don't they always talk about getting your A-swing off? That ain't it. How does he miss barreling so many meatballs that should be launched into the sun? Why are these deep power swoons so consistent with him? It's maddening. it keeps me up at night
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 minute ago, james jones said: But you cannot keep putting him for 9th and hoping the luck will regress to the mean soon. I think you can. It's ballsy, but there's nothing wrong with playing the odds. That said, the Jays have taken him out of the highest leverage role. He's only pitched the 9th in the past few weeks on days when Varland faces the meat of the order in the 8th and he faces the bottom half in the 9th. That's the right approach.
Masterbather Old-Timey Member Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 minute ago, Brownie19 said: Location+ suggests he's controlling pitches better than he ever has. He's at 103 on the year v. his career average of 92. It's certainly very odd and disheartening. Baseball can certainly be a confusing an cruel game. At this point, all we can do is hope things start to even out. If they do, Hoffman will probably be one of the best RPers in baseball over the next 4-5 months. We could certainly use that. Yeah I know his command has been outstanding, except there are times where it starts to get away from him and all of a sudden he can't find his command. That's the point. He just inexplicably comes apart at the seams. I do think overuse could be an issue, hopefully we get healthier and we don't have to use these guys at this rate for the rest of the season.
Terminator Old-Timey Member Posted June 1 Posted June 1 But even if he's tubing them down the middle, tipping pitches, is a mental midget, or whatever else could possibly be wrong with him....teams aren't making hard contact off of him at all. 87.7 EV against him is the best of his career.
Masterbather Old-Timey Member Posted June 1 Posted June 1 5 minutes ago, Terminator said: But even if he's tubing them down the middle or tipping pitches is a mental midget, or whatever else could possibly be wrong with him....teams aren't making hard contact off of him at all. 87.7 EV against him is the best of his career. In many ways he's having one of his best maybe even his best season. He's just had three or four games this year where an inning just becomes an avalanche on him. I'm sure luck is playing a major role in how extreme his results have been. But once a couple of guys get on, he's at risk of the inning running away from him. I'm not and I haven't been acting as extremely as some others have been with him this year, I don't think they should give up on the guy and I still trust him, but I do think it's worth having an insurance policy behind him if Varland is going to pitch before him. Rogers or at least Fisher. jaysblue, Terminator and Spanky__99 3
Laika Community Moderator Posted June 1 Posted June 1 That hanging slider from Juff Huffman is just the most hittable pitch in baseball history Your 10 year old son could cream it for a double Your grandma could get a bunt single on it Terminator 1
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted June 1 Posted June 1 23 minutes ago, Terminator said: A .516 BABIP is insane. Position players pitching don't even get close to this. Heineman's BABIP is .400 in 3 innings this year... Stangstag 1
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted June 1 Posted June 1 5 minutes ago, Laika said: That hanging slider from Juff Huffman is just the most hittable pitch in baseball history Your 10 year old son could cream it for a double Your grandma could get a bunt single on it Grandma could also steal a base off Hoffman - that isn't helping things at all. He needs to hold runners better.
max silver Old-Timey Member Posted June 1 Posted June 1 2 hours ago, Brownie19 said: Location+ suggests he's controlling pitches better than he ever has. He's at 103 on the year v. his career average of 92. It's certainly very odd and disheartening. Baseball can certainly be a confusing an cruel game. At this point, all we can do is hope things start to even out. If they do, Hoffman will probably be one of the best RPers in baseball over the next 4-5 months. We could certainly use that. Hoffman has been almost comically unlucky with results on batted balls but his last few games have featured horrible stuff and command. Hopefully this is a result of fatigue and not underlying injury of some sort. Stuff+/Location+ 5-30 95/62 5-28 94/74 BatFlip and Stangstag 2
Olerud363.354 Verified Member Posted June 1 Posted June 1 4 hours ago, Terminator said: I'm sure this was discussed at length in the GDT this weekend but I was looking under the hood on what is wrong with Jeff Hoffman and I cannot figure anything out other than he is experiencing perhaps the worst luck in MLB history. I figured maybe he has a tell and they hammerred him 9th inning Saturday... not really the exit Vs of the three hits were I think 85, 75 and 95. All at good launch angle though.
Olerud363.354 Verified Member Posted June 1 Posted June 1 4 hours ago, Laika said: it keeps me up at night I wonder how Vlad would do being a #2 to a Judge or Soto, or Ohtani. Watching them hit 25 degree 110 milers 3 times a week. he would want to get in on the fun. Should be a 'for the good of the game...' rule in baseball, where commissioner can transfer a player to a different team, if the team is not getting the most out of his talents. Vlad could be transferred to Yankees or Dodgers. Hoffman probably also needs a transfer.
Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted June 2 Posted June 2 4 hours ago, Olerud363.354 said: I wonder how Vlad would do being a #2 to a Judge or Soto, or Ohtani. Watching them hit 25 degree 110 milers 3 times a week. he would want to get in on the fun. Should be a 'for the good of the game...' rule in baseball, where commissioner can transfer a player to a different team, if the team is not getting the most out of his talents. Vlad could be transferred to Yankees or Dodgers. Hoffman probably also needs a transfer. How about the Mets transfer us Soto instead
jaysblue Old-Timey Member Posted June 2 Posted June 2 Steve Phillips was on OverDrive and floated the idea that the Jays might DFA Hoffman, which I thought was wild. I really don’t see it coming down to that. Hoffman was starting to right the ship before that implosion on Saturday, and even if the Jays did move on, some team would definitely roll the dice on him. I like Hoffman, and I still think that if he figures things out and is used properly, he could be a real weapon out of the pen. You can’t ignore those strikeout rates. To me, it feels like a combination of bad luck and something psychological. He just doesn’t look comfortable in the ninth-inning role and honestly, he hasn’t really looked comfortable there dating back to last season. I’d probably feel more confident with Hoffman pitching in a one-run game in the seventh than protecting a four-run lead in the ninth, lol. He did tease us a bit with those two saves on May 21 and 23 when Varland was unavailable. But like Masterbather said, they probably need to employ a different strategy for the time being when it comes to the ninth - maybe using another arm like Fisher, who picked up the save the other day, whenever Varland has already been used or isn’t available. The problem with Hoffman is that when he implodes, he really implodes, and it gets ugly fast. It’s not usually just one or two earned runs - it’s more like four or five earned runs, two or three walks, and maybe a hit-by-pitch thrown in for good measure, haha. Jays24 1
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted June 2 Posted June 2 Steve Phillips is a moron. The fact someone pays him to talk and write about baseball is embarrassing. jaysblue, hanton and Spanky__99 3
Olerud363.354 Verified Member Posted June 2 Posted June 2 11 hours ago, Stangstag said: How about the Mets transfer us Soto instead The Mets have kept Soto operational. The idea of the transfer program is to reward teams that are giving their players good coaching/sign stealing/supplements whatever it is, and giving those teams under-performing players which they could help. It would be a very rare program only for very special cases like Vlad. A generational talent that should be on a team that can keep him operating at his inherent skill level.
Masterbather Old-Timey Member Posted June 2 Posted June 2 The fact that anyone is seriously discussing DFAing Hoffman is insane. He's had many fantastic outings and a few implosions. He's still one of the best weapons out of the pen not just on our team but in all of baseball. Spanky__99 1
Laika Community Moderator Posted June 2 Posted June 2 I think I figured out Jeff Hoffman, a bit This does NOT explain his 6.31 ERA vs his 2.61 FIP and 3.15 xERA but it probably explains some of his inconsistencies and a reasonably elevated ERA The guy has more or less lost his slider and his splitter at this point. They vary between horrible and average. Look at the game logs of his Stuff+ This guy needs to go back to being a normal, establish the fastball dude. Throw the heater 50% of the time or more. It is the only consistently plus pitch. This is not rocket science, Jeff. I don't know what happened but two years ago your Slider was good and now it's cooked.
Bob_Gratton Verified Member Posted June 2 Posted June 2 19 hours ago, Olerud363.354 said: I wonder how Vlad would do being a #2 to a Judge or Soto, or Ohtani. Watching them hit 25 degree 110 milers 3 times a week. he would want to get in on the fun. Should be a 'for the good of the game...' rule in baseball, where commissioner can transfer a player to a different team, if the team is not getting the most out of his talents. Vlad could be transferred to Yankees or Dodgers. Hoffman probably also needs a transfer. He will be better, coz will get better pitches, if have a very good hitter that follow him in batting order. When you have guys like Okamoto, Barger, Sanchez or Varsho, it's no stressful, so can quietly send Vlad fishing.
Bob_Gratton Verified Member Posted June 2 Posted June 2 On 5/24/2026 at 12:26 PM, JaysFan99 said: What would we have to give up to get Skubal? I have a feeling the cost wouldn’t be worth it. No need to lost time trying get Skubal, he won't be interested to sign with the Jays, better try get Logan Weeb or Freddie Peralta instead. Then add a very good hitter with power, and a reliever for the 8 inning that can save game when Varland no available.
Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted June 2 Posted June 2 2 hours ago, Laika said: I think I figured out Jeff Hoffman, a bit This does NOT explain his 6.31 ERA vs his 2.61 FIP and 3.15 xERA but it probably explains some of his inconsistencies and a reasonably elevated ERA The guy has more or less lost his slider and his splitter at this point. They vary between horrible and average. Look at the game logs of his Stuff+ This guy needs to go back to being a normal, establish the fastball dude. Throw the heater 50% of the time or more. It is the only consistently plus pitch. This is not rocket science, Jeff. I don't know what happened but two years ago your Slider was good and now it's cooked. Isn’t the obvious answer that he can’t locate his fastball? He has no confidence in it. Can’t locate anything really. Maybe the mechanics are off.
Laika Community Moderator Posted June 2 Posted June 2 1 minute ago, Stangstag said: Isn’t the obvious answer that he can’t locate his fastball? He has no confidence in it. Can’t locate anything really. Maybe the mechanics are off. It is probably part of it His slider becomes a crutch pitch if he thinks he has a better chance of landing it for a strike than the other stuff
max silver Old-Timey Member Posted June 2 Posted June 2 2 hours ago, Laika said: I think I figured out Jeff Hoffman, a bit This does NOT explain his 6.31 ERA vs his 2.61 FIP and 3.15 xERA but it probably explains some of his inconsistencies and a reasonably elevated ERA The guy has more or less lost his slider and his splitter at this point. They vary between horrible and average. Look at the game logs of his Stuff+ This guy needs to go back to being a normal, establish the fastball dude. Throw the heater 50% of the time or more. It is the only consistently plus pitch. This is not rocket science, Jeff. I don't know what happened but two years ago your Slider was good and now it's cooked. With Hoffman I don't think it's as simple as throwing his 4 seam fastball more frequently. In the outings where he struggles a good deal of that is due to complete inability to command his fastball as he tends to fall behind hitters and inevitably ends up grooving pitches down the middle of the plate. If you were to examine the log using Location+ I suspect you would see the disaster outings corresponding to the days where he has little to no command of his arsenal with the 4 seam fastball being particularly poor. Date Team Opp GS Loc+ FA Loc+ SI Loc+ FC Loc+ FS Loc+ SL Loc+ CU Loc+ CH Loc+ KC Loc+ FO Stuff+ Location+ Pitching+ Total - - - - - - 0 104 80 103 106 106 103 110 Date Team Opp GS Loc+ FA Loc+ SI Loc+ FC Loc+ FS Loc+ SL Loc+ CU Loc+ CH Loc+ KC Loc+ FO Stuff+ Location+ Pitching+ 2026-05-30 TOR @BAL 0 71 -528 129 77 95 61 60 2026-05-28 TOR @BAL 0 68 62 79 94 74 79 2026-05-27 TOR MIA 0 74 76 122 114 106 115 2026-05-23 TOR PIT 0 51 149 98 111 110 120 2026-05-21 TOR @NYY 0 38 113 107 100 107 2026-05-20 TOR @NYY 0 129 73 105 101 100 99 2026-05-18 TOR @NYY 0 117 103 135 97 127 132 2026-05-15 TOR @DET 0 141 59 111 116 116 124 2026-05-13 TOR TBR 0 77 -109 139 129 109 91 102 2026-05-12 TOR TBR 0 128 237 75 106 116 128 2026-05-08 TOR LAA 0 97 168 93 114 101 114 2026-05-05 TOR @TBR 0 97 126 163 136 109 145 2026-05-03 TOR @MIN 0 146 106 96 148 100 136 140 2026-05-01 TOR @MIN 0 127 59 102 150 106 115 122 2026-04-28 TOR BOS 0 147 131 113 110 105 128 129 2026-04-26 TOR CLE 0 83 111 64 114 80 93 2026-04-21 TOR @LAA 0 207 69 164 71 106 103 104 2026-04-20 TOR @LAA 0 102 164 107 62 106 103 110 2026-04-18 TOR @ARI 0 52 176 84 128 90 85 82 2026-04-14 TOR @MIL 0 121 190 60 132 89 112 112 Date Team Opp GS Loc+ FA Loc+ SI Loc+ FC Loc+ FS Loc+ SL Loc+ CU Loc+ CH Loc+ KC Loc+ FO Stuff+ Location+ Pitching+ 2026-04-12 TOR MIN 0 132 150 197 115 153 157 2026-04-08 TOR LAD 0 81 127 137 101 99 102 109 2026-04-07 TOR LAD 0 82 142 131 99 114 118 2026-04-03 TOR @CHW 0 76 135 93 97 103 2026-04-01 TOR COL 0 52 161 90 122 108 106 107 2026-03-31 TOR COL 0 122 135 109 153 120 126 135 2026-03-29 TOR ATH 0 116 101 100 89 102 103 103 2026-03-27 TOR ATH 0 108 82 70 125 69 85 Stangstag 1
Bob_Gratton Verified Member Posted June 2 Posted June 2 45 minutes ago, Stangstag said: Isn’t the obvious answer that he can’t locate his fastball? He has no confidence in it. Can’t locate anything really. Maybe the mechanics are off. Maybe Hoffman just need nerds confidance😉 jaysblue 1
jaysblue Old-Timey Member Posted June 2 Posted June 2 Hoffman needs Christopher Lloyd and his crew coming down to games when he pitches:
G-Snarls Community Moderator Posted June 3 Posted June 3 Blue Jays To Acquire Simeon Woods Richardson From Twins June 3rd, 2026 at 6:42pm CST • By Anthony Franco 6:42pm: The Twins will acquire cash considerations in return, Bannon reports. 6:31pm: The Blue Jays are acquiring right-hander Simeon Woods Richardson back from the Twins, reports Mitch Bannon of The Athletic. Minnesota designated him for assignment over the weekend.
Laika Community Moderator Posted June 4 Posted June 4 I like it. I have no statistical reason to like it for 2026. But he's 25, tons of control left, and was a viable SP5 for the last two seasons. I was surprised the Twins cut.
jmomcc Verified Member Posted June 4 Posted June 4 He throws real soft and his stuff numbers are kind of terrible but no risk
Terminator Old-Timey Member Posted June 4 Posted June 4 On 6/2/2026 at 2:44 PM, jaysblue said: Hoffman needs Christopher Lloyd and his crew coming down to games when he pitches: As outstanding as that movie was, that is an Angels specific meme and doesn't have much usage on a Blue Jays board. I personally recommend professional wrestling .gifs and have used them to great success over the years. jaysblue 1
max silver Old-Timey Member Posted June 4 Posted June 4 9 hours ago, jmomcc said: He throws real soft and his stuff numbers are kind of terrible but no risk I see little to no upside here but at worst SWR can eat some innings for a club that's desperate at the moment.
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