Blue Jays-Dodgers World Series Game 7 Thread: Max Scherzer vs Shohei Ohtani

[jaysblue]

38 minutes ago, Olerud363.354 said:

On the other hand Giminez under-performed with the bat.  Satander did nothing.  Bichette was injured for most of the playoff run and we lost multiple runs in the World Series because he couldn't run (couldn't score last night in the second) and downstream effect of having to sub IKF.

Berrios was a non-factor.  Garcia injured.  

Yeah Gimenez overall during the regular season was awful. Defensively, he was still a wizard and he had some bigs hits in the Postseason, so that does get magnified in a short series, but overall during the course of a 162 games, it was a disappointing season. I'm confident with him as our shortstop for next season, and hopefully the Jays could bring back Bo for second base or find another offensive threat for that position. 

Bichette wasn't 100% but he came back and had a huge World Series with the bat, despite the running and defensive limitations he had. Going to miss him if he leaves as a free agent. Would love to see him and Vladdy stay together and hope Atkins could make it happen. 

Berrios was a non-factor, but over the course of 162 games, he can be a valuable piece in terms of innings and consistency. Having him around as a #4-5 starter isn't the worst thing in the world. Hopefully he can tap into another gear for the start of the 2026 season and returns to being a 2-3 WAR arm. 

Missing Yimi sucks but he did come with injury concerns. Hope he could stay healthy in 2026 and maybe he plays a big role in the pen for us! Just wouldn't go into the 2026 season relying on him solely and not addressing the pen. 

[Olerud363.354]

1 minute ago, SeranthonySantander said:

I just liked watching guys like Delgado have 3 home run games in empty dreary looking skydome.

Most important thing for a franchise is to challenge the 90 win mark every year and have every game matter. 

In the 2020s last game of the season mattered every year so far except 2024.

I totally get how insane last nights game was.  I slept 3 hours.  I've never seen anything like that.

In terms of long term fan experience it will fade.   If Jays win 91 next year and lose in the wild card round, you will be happier, then if they won last night and won 75 next year.  

Other teams have gone through it.  86 Red Sox, 97 Indians, 2011 Rangers, 2016 Indians.  I would add 2001 Yankees, except hard to feel to much pain going for a quadro-peet. 

If Jays win 90 next year and the magic Buffalo Boys development system still works next year I will be happy.  If they win 75 and Shatkins is a mirage I will be sad. 

[abola2121]

7 hours ago, Doubleplay21 said:

IKF is a terrible baserunner

https://larrybrownsports.com/baseball/blue-jays-fans-isiah-kiner-falefa-baserunning-game-7/725199

The FO should go after this guy: https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=sprink000jor

[Olerud363.354]

1 minute ago, jaysblue said:

Yeah Gimenez overall during the regular season was awful. Defensively, he was still a wizard and he had some bigs hits in the Postseason, so that does get magnified in a short series, but overall during the course of a 162 games,

Reason for optimism.  For example unlikely Springer repeats his 2025.  However to make up the wins Gimenez doesn't have to be magic, just healthy and a .250 hitter instead of .200. 

Also Nathan Lukes.  Heard a couple of people saying can't repeat that.  Maybe not.  But Lukes 2025 is the kind of piece a good organization can find again whether it is Santander coming back, or a new Buffalo Boy (Clase, Loperfido, Schreck) stepping up.  Or something else unexpected.   

[Nexii]

1 hour ago, Fastball21 said:

IKF has released a statement saying runners were told to stay close to the bases so not to get doubled out, maybe true but I still think when the pitcher goes into his windup have to take some lead towards home. 

On the whole its hard to understand how a team 1st in defense by a mile can be 25th in baserunning. Some of it has to be coaching. Baserunning should mostly be instincts I feel. You shouldn't be need to be told what to do in every situation. That's what leads to hesitation

[Brownie19]

That's the best season of baseball I've ever watched in my life.  I love this team.  They gave us so much. What an improbable season from start to finish.  

I know this hurts really bad, but please stop trying to blame people for this.  Expecting perfection from humans is stupid.  Baseball is a funny game sometimes.

What incredible memories.  I won't soon forget 2025.

[jaysblue]

1 hour ago, Olerud363.354 said:

For a team with financial advantages and good management they should get a decent shot at it every few years especially with the expanded playoffs.  

Should get a few more shots.  Chances to win it all are still probably only 1/15 any year.  Better than Pirates (now that I said that watch Paul Skenes lead them to a World Series)

AL East will still be a tough division. Yankees and Red Sox aren't going anywhere, and I know people hate the Orioles, but they have a young enough core where they can get lucky and win 90 games. 

Have to be built over the course of a 162 game season. That's why adding quality starting pitching this offseason will be important and having pitching depth as well.

Offensively, can the Jays hold up over 162 games with the likes of Clement, Lukes and Gimenez holding spots in the everyday lineup? I know we had this conversation over the summer on the board in regards to Lukes, but his role is better suited as a 4th OF who gets no more than 300 AB's. As for Clement, value always be tied to his glove and versatility, so he'll be fine, but offensively will be asking a lot to have him repeat his 2025 regular season and Postseason production, so I do expect some regression. 

Jays have the right recipe I think figured out for the Postseason. Low K's, putting the ball in play and playing excellent defense. Just need to get things in the pen sorted out and I think they could go on another successful run like they did. But we saw this past October how important it was to win the division and avoid the WC round. Even though the Dodgers played in the WC round and won, makes it a lot tougher path to get to playing the last game of the season. 

[Havok]

It's absolutely frustrating that we would have won this game if our bonehead pinch runner took a regular lead from third base on contact. I hope I never have to see this clown again.

[Brownie19]

17 minutes ago, gruber9292 said:

Speak for yourself and not for fans that hardly missed an inning of a game since 1983. You'd give a shiit if you did. 

At least you're consistent gruber.  Miserable old c*nt.

[43211234]

I can't believe that all that actually happened. 

 

It's not possible that everything went wrong in that way in game 7 of the world series

[L54]

28 minutes ago, gruber9292 said:

Speak for yourself and not for fans that hardly missed an inning of a game since 1983. You'd give a shiit if you did. 

No you aren’t comprehending 

nobody gives a s*** that you’re coming here to cry about Ross Atkins. What sort of daddy issues are you suppressing for that to be your immediate reaction 

[Olerud363.354]

8 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

Offensively, can the Jays hold up over 162 games with the likes of Clement, Lukes and Gimenez holding spots in the everyday lineup?

Those three combined for a sub 100 wRC+ in 2025 and Jays offense was still good.

Question for me is whether the decision making process that led to 2025 can be repeated.  Like maybe it's Clase, or R.J. Schreck, or Leo Jiminez or someone not in the organization.

Maybe it's signing Luis Arraez and getting more out of him then expected by working on his defense and pop.  Not really saying that would be a good move, like maybe it's Gleybor they sign.  Or rejuviinating Eloy Jiminez.  I don't know.  Maybe the process isn't real and they win 75 for the next 5 years.

There are 3 wins to be had by getting playoff version 80 hit tool Vlad to show up for 162 games.   Can the Pop and the High performance team do more stuff like this?  Or was 2025 a lot of good luck followed by a few innings of bad luck. 

[Doubleplay21]

Analysts saying Jays pitchers giving up high amount of homers in regular season also this WS. Maybe ask the pitching coach 

[gruber9292]

36 minutes ago, L54 said:

No you aren’t comprehending 

nobody gives a s*** that you’re coming here to cry about Ross Atkins. What sort of daddy issues are you suppressing for that to be your immediate reaction 

Only cucks accept the rulings and decision making from other cucks. Daddy issues, are you f***ing sick? It's so easy to spot the f***ing sheep on this board. 

10 years of Ross with only one lucky run that was created by a few injuries while having a top five payroll. GFY please and thank you. 

[CJ-Freeway]

48 minutes ago, Havok said:

It's absolutely frustrating that we would have won this game if our bonehead pinch runner took a regular lead from third base on contact. I hope I never have to see this clown again.

Nah that's on Varsho. He choked, plain and simple. Unacceptable, he had the WS title in his hands in that 9th inning. All he had to do was to hit a fly ball. Also Hoffman isn't a real closer. I blame both for last night's L.

[jaysblue]

26 minutes ago, Olerud363.354 said:

Those three combined for a sub 100 wRC+ in 2025 and Jays offense was still good.

Question for me is whether the decision making process that led to 2025 can be repeated.  Like maybe it's Clase, or R.J. Schreck, or Leo Jiminez or someone not in the organization.

Maybe it's signing Luis Arraez and getting more out of him then expected by working on his defense and pop.  Not really saying that would be a good move, like maybe it's Gleybor they sign.  Or rejuviinating Eloy Jiminez.  I don't know.  Maybe the process isn't real and they win 75 for the next 5 years.

There are 3 wins to be had by getting playoff version 80 hit tool Vlad to show up for 162 games.   Can the Pop and the High performance team do more stuff like this?  Or was 2025 a lot of good luck followed by a few innings of bad luck. 

Yeah definitely can get surprising contributions again for players we wouldn't even think of. Who knows of Clase or Leo become valuable bench pieces or Eloy's bat gets rejuvenated. 

Agreed with Vladdy. Hope we see Postseason Vladdy throughout the regular season. That is good for an extra 3+ WAR if he turns out a 6-7 WAR season, which he is capable of doing. 

Jays will definitely be spending money this offseason, so will be fun to watch who they add to compliment this core with! 

[gruber9292]

Just now, jaysblue said:

Yeah definitely can get surprising contributions again for players we wouldn't even think of. Who knows of Clase or Leo become valuable bench pieces or Eloy's bat gets rejuvenated. 

Agreed with Vladdy. Hope we see Postseason Vladdy throughout the regular season. That is good for an extra 3+ WAR if he turns out a 6-7 WAR season, which he is capable of doing. 

Jays will definitely be spending money this offseason, so will be fun to watch who they add to compliment this core with! 

I think Rogers should start second guessing on who they want spending their money. 

[Nexii]

1 minute ago, jaysblue said:

Yeah definitely can get surprising contributions again for players we wouldn't even think of. Who knows of Clase or Leo become valuable bench pieces or Eloy's bat gets rejuvenated. 

Agreed with Vladdy. Hope we see Postseason Vladdy throughout the regular season. That is good for an extra 3+ WAR if he turns out a 6-7 WAR season, which he is capable of doing. 

Jays will definitely be spending money this offseason, so will be fun to watch who they add to compliment this core with! 

Really excited for next season. Pitching is where the Jays can pick up the most WAR. Beyond Gausman and Bassitt we didn't get much. That said the team pitched surprisingly well in the post season

[Jimcanuck]

5 minutes ago, gruber9292 said:

Only cucks accept the rulings and decision making from other cucks. Daddy issues, are you f***ing sick? It's so easy to spot the f***ing sheep on this board. 

10 years of Ross with only one lucky run that was created by a few injuries while having a top five payroll. GFY please and thank you. 

You still jack off to Ryan Goins?

[thatoneguy]

3 hours ago, max silver said:

Apparently the coaching staff told IKF to stay close to the base to avoid getting picked off. That's just insanely risk averse to not even allow him to take a normal lead as he would have had plenty of time to get back to the base with where Muncy was positioned. 

Did they all just lose their f*cking minds in that situation? You have got to be f*cking kidding me.

[thatoneguy]

7 minutes ago, CJ-Freeway said:

Nah that's on Varsho. He choked, plain and simple. Unacceptable, he had the WS title in his hands in that 9th inning. All he had to do was to hit a fly ball. Also Hoffman isn't a real closer. I blame both for last night's L.

No it kind of isn’t on Varsho. He put the ball in play and it should’ve scored the winning run. Didn’t strikeout, most importantly.

[abola2121]

Personally, I would forget Bieber and go after Tatsuya Imai.

[glory]

 

[saskjayfan]

1 hour ago, Olerud363.354 said:

Reason for optimism.  For example unlikely Springer repeats his 2025.  However to make up the wins Gimenez doesn't have to be magic, just healthy and a .250 hitter instead of .200. 

Also Nathan Lukes.  Heard a couple of people saying can't repeat that.  Maybe not.  But Lukes 2025 is the kind of piece a good organization can find again whether it is Santander coming back, or a new Buffalo Boy (Clase, Loperfido, Schreck) stepping up.  Or something else unexpected.   

Lukes has earned the opportunity to give it a go next year.  There isn't much to do on the position player side other than resign Bo. Sign 2 starting pitchers and sign a couple leverage relievers.  Money should be no issue this off season. 

[thatoneguy]

1 minute ago, glory said:

 

His lead is not as far as Muncy is from 3B?

[saskjayfan]

3 minutes ago, abola2121 said:

Personally, I would forget Bieber and go after Tatsuya Imai.

Nah, I'm done with getting participation ribbons.  I mean, sure help bid the price up, but he's going to the Dodgers.  Japan is just their 2nd farm system. 

[CJ-Freeway]

3 minutes ago, thatoneguy said:

No it kind of isn’t on Varsho. He put the ball in play and it should’ve scored the winning run. Didn’t strikeout, most importantly.

I disagree... you just HAVE to score in that situation. Less than 2 outs, bases loaded, it's unacceptable NOT to score. I mean Varsho isn't Ryan Goins, he has the experience to come thru and make it happen

[Stangstag]

6 minutes ago, glory said:

 

Funny how different players view this differently. A double play liner to 3rd?? When does Varsho ever hit oppo line drives? That shouldn’t have been a worry at all, but maybe it was in their minds due to the Gimenez liner to Muncy earlier.

Small situations that cause ripple effects throughout the game…

However, Varsho needed to do better to hit something in the air there.

Just so goddamn frustrating to lose like this. Im not even sad, im just annoyed.

[Nexii]

13 minutes ago, thatoneguy said:

Did they all just lose their f*cking minds in that situation? You have got to be f*cking kidding me.

I mean we saw emotional coaching decisions all playoffs with the intentional Ohtani walks. If we want to be this way fine, but what bothers me is when we try to paint it as optimal analytics. IBB are dumb and that benefitted us too, the G7 Bo HR might have been a 2 run shot otherwise

[DAAJankeesLose]

Starting to think the city sold its soul for that Kawhi shot to go in vs the Sixers. It just doesnt make any sense why the laffs are so inept with the team they have or the way we lost this the last two games lmao