Astros (Alexander) vs Blue Jays (Berrios): 9/10/25, 7:07pm

[Jays24]

6 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Chapman was also ass for like 2-3 straight years before the Redsox fixed him

And yet the ass version of Chapman was still much better than this version of Hoffman. 

Just sucks seeing all that hard work by 25 players on the roster get ruined by ONE guy man. 

[abola2121]

6 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

And yet the ass version of Chapman was still much better than this version of Hoffman. 

Just sucks seeing all that hard work by 25 players on the roster get ruined by ONE guy man. 

And the manager making excuses for him every single time.

[G-Snarls]

s***** loss but all is forgiven if they win tomorrow

[Big_Walleye]

2 minutes ago, abola2121 said:

And the manager making excuses for him every single time.

Yeah.  Just once I'd like to hear him say he's had enough of this sh*t and it's time for a change.  I'm not sure how long you can keep letting him cost you like this.  He's Chad Green at this point.

[M.E.]

The game was lost by George not getting a ball in play with a man on third with less than 2 outs in the 8th,  yes Hoffman gave up the home run, but that is where the opportunity to win and add on happened.  BTW f*** hoffman too.

[GoBlue41]

55 minutes ago, G-Snarls said:

s***** loss but all is forgiven if they win tomorrow

Hopefully Gausman has his A game stuff again tomorrow. 

[jaysthebest]

I can already imagine that Hoffman would blow a game in the playoffs, and John Schneider would still defend him like he's a baby.

[jaysthebest]

I wonder if there's any other playoff teams using an era near 5 guy as a closer. Maybe Tanner Scott? But even he has a better era than Jeff Coughman.

[Brownie19]

11 hours ago, Jays24 said:

And yet the ass version of Chapman was still much better than this version of Hoffman. 

Just sucks seeing all that hard work by 25 players on the roster get ruined by ONE guy man. 

That is such nonsense.  The offense scored 2 runs and they deserve much more blame than Hoffman.  As noted below, the game shouldn't have been tied in the 9th.  Just awful execution.  Learn the game.

[max silver]

I don't understand what Davis Schneider did to get into the manager's bad book. I thought that the Bo injury would potentially open the door a touch for more playing time, but for reasons I don't fully comprehend IKF and his 76 wRC+ bat is the primary choice for late plate appearances in close games, even with a lefty reliever on the mound. While Schneider's numbers are always massaged a bit due to primarily being inserted into optimal matchups it's really odd that his manager has so little faith in him that he would prefer to insert a career utility player with a weak bat into games late vs a guy who has potential to provide real offensive impact. In the last 2 games which were on the line in the late innings IKF has received 4 plate appearances in a bench role vs 1 for Schneider, and Schneider didn't even appear in the game yesterday and was left to languish on the bench. Lopefido was ice cold as evidenced by a 55 wRC+ in his AAA stint, yet he received 2 consecutive starts upon his callup with Schneider barely receiving a sniff. 

[Laika]

13 minutes ago, max silver said:

I don't understand what Davis Schneider did to get into the manager's bad book. I thought that the Bo injury would potentially open the door a touch for more playing time, but for reasons I don't fully comprehend IKF and his 76 wRC+ bat is the primary choice for late plate appearances in close games, even with a lefty reliever on the mound. While Schneider's numbers are always massaged a bit due to primarily being inserted into optimal matchups it's really odd that his manager has so little faith in him that he would prefer to insert a career utility player with a weak bat into games late vs a guy who has potential to provide real offensive impact. In the last 2 games which were on the line in the late innings IKF has received 4 plate appearances in a bench role vs 1 for Schneider, and Schneider didn't even appear in the game yesterday and was left to languish on the bench. Lopefido was ice cold as evidenced by a 55 wRC+ in his AAA stint, yet he received 2 consecutive starts upon his callup with Schneider barely receiving a sniff. 

It's completely asinine and I am not happy about it. 

I would rather see Davis Schneider up there in these spots, going for a big result. He should be above France and IKF and be the #1 RHB pinch hitter. First up in a big spot. 

Last night was insane. It was Steven Okert. They pinch hit IKF for Barger, then France for Loperfido, then let Gimenez hit... all in the 8th inning... while their best RHB pinch hitter sat and watched...

[glory]

16 minutes ago, max silver said:

I don't understand what Davis Schneider did to get into the manager's bad book. I thought that the Bo injury would potentially open the door a touch for more playing time, but for reasons I don't fully comprehend IKF and his 76 wRC+ bat is the primary choice for late plate appearances in close games, even with a lefty reliever on the mound. While Schneider's numbers are always massaged a bit due to primarily being inserted into optimal matchups it's really odd that his manager has so little faith in him that he would prefer to insert a career utility player with a weak bat into games late vs a guy who has potential to provide real offensive impact. In the last 2 games which were on the line in the late innings IKF has received 4 plate appearances in a bench role vs 1 for Schneider, and Schneider didn't even appear in the game yesterday and was left to languish on the bench. Lopefido was ice cold as evidenced by a 55 wRC+ in his AAA stint, yet he received 2 consecutive starts upon his callup with Schneider barely receiving a sniff. 

I'm curious about this as well. Two of his HR's this season have been against position players, so the numbers are probably skewed on top of the team putting him in what they perceive to be more favorable matchups, but I have no idea why the team seems so hesitant to use him even in late game situations against a LHP. IKF is awful against LHP. Among players with at least 100 PA against LHP this season, he has the 4th worst wRC+ in baseball (41 wRC+ in 111 PA). What analytic could they possibly be looking at to rationalize that decision making (doing it twice in 2 days, no less)? If the team doesn't like having a hitter with a 28-30 K% and a poor hit tool then I'm not sure what DS is even doing on the roster at this point. Loperfido shaved 10% off his K% from last season and he's clearly been working on reducing swing and miss, so maybe that gives him some brownie points with the org. DS just wants to barrel everything and draw walks. That would have worked under AA/Gibby's Jays, but not this team. 

[Brownie19]

28 minutes ago, max silver said:

I don't understand what Davis Schneider did to get into the manager's bad book. I thought that the Bo injury would potentially open the door a touch for more playing time, but for reasons I don't fully comprehend IKF and his 76 wRC+ bat is the primary choice for late plate appearances in close games, even with a lefty reliever on the mound. While Schneider's numbers are always massaged a bit due to primarily being inserted into optimal matchups it's really odd that his manager has so little faith in him that he would prefer to insert a career utility player with a weak bat into games late vs a guy who has potential to provide real offensive impact. In the last 2 games which were on the line in the late innings IKF has received 4 plate appearances in a bench role vs 1 for Schneider, and Schneider didn't even appear in the game yesterday and was left to languish on the bench. Lopefido was ice cold as evidenced by a 55 wRC+ in his AAA stint, yet he received 2 consecutive starts upon his callup with Schneider barely receiving a sniff. 

Yeah I agree with this - all of it.  Loperfido blows.  Everyone knew that was BABIP luck as he's been terrible at AAA.  He should have been dealt at the deadline (if possible).  Starting him is a f*cking joke.

IKF is a defensive replacement - that's it.

I can't wait until we blow it in the playoffs and spend 6 months complaining about every single flaw this organization has.

 

[Big_Walleye]

6 minutes ago, glory said:

I'm curious about this as well. Two of his HR's this season have been against position players, so the numbers are probably skewed on top of the team putting him in what they perceive to be more favorable matchups, but I have no idea why the team seems so hesitant to use him even in late game situations against a LHP. IKF is awful against LHP. Among players with at least 100 PA against LHP this season, he has the 4th worst wRC+ in baseball (41 wRC+ in 111 PA). What analytic could they possibly be looking at to rationalize that decision making (doing it twice in 2 days, no less)? If the team doesn't like having a hitter with a 28-30 K% and a poor hit tool then I'm not sure what DS is even doing on the roster at this point. Loperfido shaved 10% off his K% from last season and he's clearly been working on reducing swing and miss, so maybe that gives him some brownie points with the org. DS just wants to barrel everything and draw walks. That would have worked under AA/Gibby's Jays, but not this team. 

 

13 minutes ago, Laika said:

It's completely asinine and I am not happy about it. 

I would rather see Davis Schneider up there in these spots, going for a big result. He should be above France and IKF and be the #1 RHB pinch hitter. First up in a big spot. 

Last night was insane. It was Steven Okert. They pinch hit IKF for Barger, then France for Loperfido, then let Gimenez hit... all in the 8th inning... while their best RHB pinch hitter sat and watched...

Very frustrating to watch IKF weakly let strike 3 go by in the last at-bat of the game.  I didn't understand the acquisition in the first place and now to use him over Schneider in big spots absolutely boggles the mind.  DS has carried this team on his shoulders for certain periods of time.  He brings danger to the plate with him and generally has had good PA's as of late.  Letting him get stale on the bench while IKF and France get the opportunities is criminal.

[Jays24]

1 hour ago, Brownie19 said:

That is such nonsense.  The offense scored 2 runs and they deserve much more blame than Hoffman.  As noted below, the game shouldn't have been tied in the 9th.  Just awful execution.  Learn the game.

"Learn the game" says the nerd who has probably never played anything a day in his life.  

Go check Hoffman's entire body of work this season.  This isnt a one off game so you "learn the game"...

[Brownie19]

40 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

"Learn the game" says the nerd who has probably never played anything a day in his life.  

Go check Hoffman's entire body of work this season.  This isnt a one off game so you "learn the game"...

I played competitive men's hardball until I was 40 and continue to coach multiple teams, including high performance teams to this day.  

The offense has been letting this team down lately.  Go f*ck yourself.

[max silver]

13 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

I played competitive men's hardball until I was 40 and continue to coach multiple teams, including high performance teams to this day.  

The offense has been letting this team down lately.  Go f*ck yourself.

[max silver]

1 hour ago, Brownie19 said:

Yeah I agree with this - all of it.  Loperfido blows.  Everyone knew that was BABIP luck as he's been terrible at AAA.  He should have been dealt at the deadline (if possible).  Starting him is a f*cking joke.

IKF is a defensive replacement - that's it.

I can't wait until we blow it in the playoffs and spend 6 months complaining about every single flaw this organization has.

 

I don't think Lopefido is completely a BABIP creation as he features an above average .324 xwOBA presently.

[Orgfiller]

5 minutes ago, max silver said:

I don't think Lopefido is completely a BABIP creation as he features an above average .324 xwOBA presently.

If he's doinking little hits into the outfield his xwOBA is still going to look good, whether that's a skill that he possesses and we should expect that moving forward is a separate issue. He has a .456 BABIP, there's just no sugarcoating that he's been getting incredibly lucky, his avg exit velo is a pretty woeful 87.5 mph. This is for a guy whose scouting report says that he has a poor hit tool but good raw power.

So his success isn't even evidenced by who he's supposed to be as a player, and I'm not really buying that he's made meaningful adjustments to become a better overall hitter, sacrificing power for contact, given his AAA performance. Maybe him cutting his K rate has actually made him worse as a hitter, since he's not looking to do damage as often.

[Laika]

Hoffman the scapegoat but the offense was the bigger issue. 

They should have been expected to put up 6+ runs last night. 

Springer not putting the ball in play with the go ahead run on 3rd and 1 out was gross. 

Vlad doing nothing against the pitchers he faced, shameful. 

John Schneider benching his own son Davis and using three other RHB replacements before him was a sackable offense 

[Brownie19]

1 minute ago, Laika said:

Hoffman the scapegoat but the offense was the bigger issue. 

They should have been expected to put up 6+ runs last night. 

Springer not putting the ball in play with the go ahead run on 3rd and 1 out was gross. 

Vlad doing nothing against the pitchers he faced, shameful. 

John Schneider benching his own son Davis and using three other RHB replacements before him was a sackable offense 

You nerd - that's not what happened at all.  1 guy ruined the incredible performance of the rest of the roster.

[Jays24]

3 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

I played competitive men's hardball until I was 40 and continue to coach multiple teams, including high performance teams to this day.  

The offense has been letting this team down lately.  Go f*ck yourself.

Thats shocking that you could lead any team being so soft haha.  

Anyways, of course the offense is struggling lately but it doesnt change Hoffman being an absolute disaster for the season.  This is all people were venting about but of course you need to crap on people for stating the obvious.  

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, Jays24 said:

Thats shocking that you could lead any team being so soft haha.  

Anyways, of course the offense is struggling lately but it doesnt change Hoffman being an absolute disaster for the season.  This is all people were venting about but of course you need to crap on people for stating the obvious.  

I didn't crap on people for stating the obvious, I craped on your for saying something that was obviously stupid.

[Jays24]

5 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

I didn't crap on people for stating the obvious, I craped on your for saying something that was obviously stupid.

Ya, crapping on me for stating Hoffman has been horrible all year when 95% of the posts and people are saying the same thing.

Anyways, this is last night's news.  Jays are up 4-0 so I prefer not to have my joy taken away with this convo lol

[Stangstag]

1 hour ago, Jays24 said:

Thats shocking that you could lead any team being so soft haha.  

Anyways, of course the offense is struggling lately but it doesnt change Hoffman being an absolute disaster for the season.  This is all people were venting about but of course you need to crap on people for stating the obvious.  

People are saying we lost yesterday because of Hoffman. That is completely untrue, as we never had the lead in that game and the offense went down without a fight in the 9th.

We lost yesterday because the offense failed to score any runs against a garbage journeyman pitcher named after a seinfeld villain.

[Jays24]

1 minute ago, Stangstag said:

People are saying we lost yesterday because of Hoffman. That is completely untrue, as we never had the lead in that game and the offense went down without a fight in the 9th.

We lost yesterday because the offense failed to score any runs against a garbage journeyman pitcher named after a seinfeld villain.

Totally agree but the anger towards Hoffman is because of his long body of work this season. 

Very few would have been that angry if it was Dominguez who surrendered that HR and not the guy who's setting franchise records in this department.

[Brownie19]

2 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Totally agree but the anger towards Hoffman is because of his long body of work this season. 

Very few would have been that angry if it was Dominguez who surrendered that HR and not the guy who's setting franchise records in this department.

They say that next time dumbass.  You literally said "Just sucks seeing all that hard work by 25 players on the roster get ruined by ONE guy man. "

[Jays24]

7 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

They say that next time dumbass.  You literally said "Just sucks seeing all that hard work by 25 players on the roster get ruined by ONE guy man. "

That was a comment for the season overall.  Do you think 25 guys all got into yesterday's game?  

Anyway, there will be enough time for name calling later.  We're about to witness a complete game shut out!!!