2025 Trade Deadline

[max silver]

21 minutes ago, Jonn said:

Why does everyone want to trade Varsho all of a sudden lol

Who is everyone? I'm surprised you don't want to trade him given the steady stream of prior comments about firing him into the sun. 

[Jonn]

15 minutes ago, max silver said:

Who is everyone? I'm surprised you don't want to trade him given the steady stream of prior comments about firing him into the sun. 

I have seen multiple people suggest trading him in a couple different threads in the last week.

Also I thought we were passed that max? Are we really going to rehash something from multiple years ago. When I have already admitted I was wrong. Like what are we gaining here?

[Eat My Shatkins]

I don't think anyone "wants" to trade him, but the Jays have a pretty good group of OFs now and have been tearing MLB up without him, so if he's a piece that can land a top of the rotation starter it's something to think about.

[abola2121]

Varsho/Bloss to CWS for Luis Robert/Jacob Gonzalez

Realistic?

[jmomcc]

People were talking about trading varsho in the context of the padres wanting to trade cease for a centrefielder. 

[Jonn]

1 minute ago, jmomcc said:

People were talking about trading varsho in the context of the padres wanting to trade cease for a centrefielder. 

If Cease had more control I would understand. Think a prospect package makes a lot more sense.

[max silver]

6 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

I don't think anyone "wants" to trade him, but the Jays have a pretty good group of OFs now and have been tearing MLB up without him, so if he's a piece that can land a top of the rotation starter it's something to think about.

I don't think Varsho would necessarily help the team land a top of the rotation starter. He only has a year of remaining control, and it's yet to be determined what he is moving forward after the offseason shoulder surgery. Competitive teams wouldn't typically be trading away their top arms, and I would tend to expect them to largely target younger pieces as the key returns in trade.  I believe Varsho is far more valuable to the Blue Jays at this point vs a potential trade return given the extended struggles at the plate of Straw as this team's rotation largely depends on balls in play being turned into outs, and an elite center field defender such as Varsho who typically runs around a league average bat is a key piece.

[metafour]

8 minutes ago, abola2121 said:

Giminez/Varsho/Bloss to CWS for Luis Robert/Jacob Gonzalez

Realistic?

Are you high LMFAO?

What in the f***...

[max silver]

4 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

People were talking about trading varsho in the context of the padres wanting to trade cease for a centrefielder. 

The Padres have Jackson Merrill roaming center field for them this season with Tatis providing elite defense in right field. Perhaps they could shift Merrill to left field or something to make this work though.

[glory]

The Cardinals are shopping Helsley, apparently. Seems like a realistic Jays target. Rental so shouldn't cost as much.

[max silver]

5 minutes ago, glory said:

The Cardinals are shopping Helsley, apparently. Seems like a realistic Jays target. Rental so shouldn't cost as much.

I think that's ultimately wiser vs paying a premium for controllable relievers. The Blue Jays have been proving themselves to be astute at converting scrap heap and low cost trade acquisitions into very effective relievers so I don't see an overwhelming need to send out a lot of prospect value for the pen.

[jmomcc]

26 minutes ago, max silver said:

I don't think Varsho would necessarily help the team land a top of the rotation starter. He only has a year of remaining control, and it's yet to be determined what he is moving forward after the offseason shoulder surgery. Competitive teams wouldn't typically be trading away their top arms, and I would tend to expect them to largely target younger pieces as the key returns in trade.  I believe Varsho is far more valuable to the Blue Jays at this point vs a potential trade return given the extended struggles at the plate of Straw as this team's rotation largely depends on balls in play being turned into outs, and an elite center field defender such as Varsho who typically runs around a league average bat is a key piece.

He looks to be fine as of right now. And he's projected to be about a 4 WAR player over the rest of this season and next. 

Cease would have to come with a really good prospect to get him. That's the starting point at least. 
 

It would be a tough decision though. If we did do it, i'd suggest going and getting Bader as a rental replacement. Although at that point... san diego should just cut out the middle man and do that themselves .

[jmomcc]

28 minutes ago, max silver said:

The Padres have Jackson Merrill roaming center field for them this season with Tatis providing elite defense in right field. Perhaps they could shift Merrill to left field or something to make this work though.

Yea the whole thing doesn't make much sense. Preller maybe trying to convert an expiring contract into control. 

[John_Havok]

1 hour ago, Jonn said:

Why does everyone want to trade Varsho all of a sudden lol

Nobody with functional brain cells does, just the resident morons

[max silver]

3 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

He looks to be fine as of right now. And he's projected to be about a 4 WAR player over the rest of this season and next. 

Cease would have to come with a really good prospect to get him. That's the starting point at least. 
 

It would be a tough decision though. If we did do it, i'd suggest going and getting Bader as a rental replacement. Although at that point... san diego should just cut out the middle man and do that themselves .

If Cease is actually available I believe he would represent the Blue Jays best chance to acquire a front of the rotation arm. I'm sure I would hate the prospect cost but I do believe the Blue Jays have enough depth in the system to make the Padres a very compelling offer without completely wiping out the top end of the system.

I like Bader as a target a lot for the Jays. He would largely make Straw expendable and provide the team with a really solid bench bat who could play everyday when required and not hurt the team in the slightest. 

[Ryu In My House]

What do the Jays really need? I'd say an (almost) elite closer type reliever, a solid middle reliever, ideally a really solid SP, and maybe (if there were any players left to trade) a big bopper. I think Brent Rooker may be a good fit there.

[John_Havok]

1 minute ago, Ryu In My House said:

What do the Jays really need? I'd say an (almost) elite closer type reliever, a solid middle reliever, ideally a really solid SP, and maybe (if there were any players left to trade) a big bopper. I think Brent Rooker may be a good fit there.

As won't trade Rooker after just signing him to an extension, and especially now with Kurtz looking legit. If anything, they'll sell off any rentals they can like the Jays did last season, whike keeping thw core intact and make some offseason moves to improve the pitching staff and round out the lineup.

[glory]

12 minutes ago, max silver said:

I think that's ultimately wiser vs paying a premium for controllable relievers. The Blue Jays have been proving themselves to be astute at converting scrap heap and low cost trade acquisitions into very effective relievers so I don't see an overwhelming need to send out a lot of prospect value for the pen.

Yeah I have no issues going the rental route with relievers. With starters it makes sense to value team control. With relievers it might be smarter to weigh 2025 impact + acquisition cost over team control. 

[jmomcc]

31 minutes ago, max silver said:

If Cease is actually available I believe he would represent the Blue Jays best chance to acquire a front of the rotation arm. I'm sure I would hate the prospect cost but I do believe the Blue Jays have enough depth in the system to make the Padres a very compelling offer without completely wiping out the top end of the system.

I like Bader as a target a lot for the Jays. He would largely make Straw expendable and provide the team with a really solid bench bat who could play everyday when required and not hurt the team in the slightest. 

The padres don't want prospects. They seem to want a controllable outfielder. 

Obviously though, Varsho is worth more than Cease. 
 

Bader would be a good get, i agree. 

[Ryu In My House]

28 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

As won't trade Rooker after just signing him to an extension, and especially now with Kurtz looking legit. If anything, they'll sell off any rentals they can like the Jays did last season, whike keeping thw core intact and make some offseason moves to improve the pitching staff and round out the lineup.

I didn't know he signed an extension. Damn, I thought he was a no-brainer guy to try and get.

 

[max silver]

5 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

The padres don't want prospects. They seem to want a controllable outfielder. 

Obviously though, Varsho is worth more than Cease. 
 

Bader would be a good get, i agree. 

Both of Roden and Loperfido are controllable outfielders who are nearly fully formed/MLB ready, so perhaps a package that includes one of them in addition to a prospect package could be of interest to the Padres.

[jmomcc]

8 minutes ago, max silver said:

Both of Roden and Loperfido are controllable outfielders who are nearly fully formed/MLB ready, so perhaps a package that includes one of them in addition to a prospect package could be of interest to the Padres.

Yea that might work. 
 

honestly though, i think Preller is trying to use pitcher scarcity to get a controllable near star like Duran. If it came down to just getting a left fielder, he'll just trade for one with prospects. 

[Terminator]

The calculus is changing in terms of what we should be trading for because the division is damn near locked up and the playoffs are almost guaranteed. 

We need a frontline playoff starter and late inning relievers. Any bat would have to be some sort of bench upgrade or a legit star. 

So Keller is out and Sandy might be too unless they are very confident that they could make a tweak to get him back to an ace.

Rentals like Cease could be in. 

[Masterbather]

25 minutes ago, Terminator said:

The calculus is changing in terms of what we should be trading for because the division is damn near locked up and the playoffs are almost guaranteed. 

We need a frontline playoff starter and late inning relievers. Any bat would have to be some sort of bench upgrade or a legit star. 

So Keller is out and Sandy might be too unless they are very confident that they could make a tweak to get him back to an ace.

Rentals like Cease could be in. 

I don't think anything has changed. The division is not locked up with 2 months left, but regardless it's all about the playoffs.

We need what we have needed for weeks, frontline starter and a couple of really good  relievers, preferably one lefty and hopefully one elite wipeout guy. If a frontline starter can't be had, we really double down on getting elite relievers to shorten games. 

[Jays24]

Report: Nats trade Rosario to Yankees

https://thescore.com/mlb/news/3316156

[Terminator]

2 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Report: Nats trade Rosario to Yankees

https://thescore.com/mlb/news/3316156

Yankees continue dumpster diving lmao

[Terminator]

8 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

I don't think anything has changed. The division is not locked up with 2 months left, but regardless it's all about the playoffs.

We need what we have needed for weeks, frontline starter and a couple of really good  relievers, preferably one lefty and hopefully one elite wipeout guy. If a frontline starter can't be had, we really double down on getting elite relievers to shorten games. 

Thank you for making a point to disagree with me only to then agree with me all the same

[Jayzfan79]

When Varsho is activated and with the team I believe this is when the trigger is pulled on one or 2 of Loperfido, Lukes, Schneider, Roden going somewhere in trades.

[Masterbather]

2 hours ago, Terminator said:

Thank you for making a point to disagree with me only to then agree with me all the same

I didn't get your point about how the equation has changed. Even if they weren't leading the division, as long as they decided they were a buyer, I think we always knew what we needed at the deadline. The only thing that might have changed the equation a bit is the injury situation. 

[Masterbather]

1 hour ago, Jayzfan79 said:

When Varsho is activated and with the team I believe this is when the trigger is pulled on one or 2 of Loperfido, Lukes, Schneider, Roden going somewhere in trades.

If we trade Schneider, we create a brand new hole to fill.