The Jays might have made the right move in not signing Vladdy

[Adam_GreenWood]

I'm getting sick of all the crybabies on X, who are going to boycott the Jays games because we didn't resign Vladdy. 
Jays probably had good reasons to not sign him.  

 

[Brock Beauchamp]

Welcome! Though be warned, I’m also a crybaby. Maybe not about Vlad but in general. 

[Perfect Game]

I'm disappointed but until we know the actual offer I'm holding off on judging the outcome. I'm honestly not sure how much higher than 450 I'd be willing to go. Passan said he turned down a lot of money. A lot.

Ortiz thinks he's worth 585 over 15 years. I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be with that unless the adjustment he made last year sticks & he continues to put up monster numbers.

I'm also not sold on the notion that once he gets his payday that he'll continue to take his conditioning seriously, this is after all a guy who stated that he doesn't work on his defense during the offseason.

I think Blair has the right idea, let him go to free agency & see what offers are out there. He may find out that other teams aren't willing to pay him what he thinks they will. Ugh, I'm dreading having to listen to Buck Martinez all season long talking about not getting a deal done.

[Ryu In My House]

I dislike this FO, but I think they gave Vladdy a good offer. I would trade him to Texas for Berger and 4 prospects. Berger (sp?) projects for ~ 2 WAR. the prospects could fortify our farm. TBH. f*** Vladdy. 

[Terminator]

22 minutes ago, Perfect Game said:

I'm disappointed but until we know the actual offer I'm holding off on judging the outcome. I'm honestly not sure how much higher than 450 I'd be willing to go. Passan said he turned down a lot of money. A lot.

Ortiz thinks he's worth 585 over 15 years. I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be with that unless the adjustment he made last year sticks & he continues to put up monster numbers.

I'm also not sold on the notion that once he gets his payday that he'll continue to take his conditioning seriously, this is after all a guy who stated that he doesn't work on his defense during the offseason.

I think Blair has the right idea, let him go to free agency & see what offers are out there. He may find out that other teams aren't willing to pay him what he thinks they will. Ugh, I'm dreading having to listen to Buck Martinez all season long talking about not getting a deal done.

It does seem like the team wants him back but it also seems like he might be a little unrealistic in what he wants. This is probably the right approach though it is risky and we will see how it plays out. My hope is that his market never materializes and he's back on a deal similar to what Devers got.

[JaysAllMighty]

5 hours ago, Adam_GreenWood said:

I'm getting sick of all the crybabies on X, who are going to boycott the Jays games because we didn't resign Vladdy. 
Jays probably had good reasons to not sign him.  

 

At this point I think they are dodging a bullet,  they should focus their effort on exploring a decent trade for him sooner than later.

[Spanky99]

7 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Welcome! Though be warned, I’m also a crybaby. Maybe not about Vlad but in general. 

Greenwood is a long time poster, not sure if he wants his account redacted/start over from here though? 

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9 hours ago, Adam_GreenWood said:

I'm getting sick of all the crybabies on X, who are going to boycott the Jays games because we didn't resign Vladdy. 
Jays probably had good reasons to not sign him.  

 

Well you'll fit in here, this seems to be the Atkins Booster Club

[Spanky99]

13 minutes ago, Vladdywagon said:

Well you'll fit in here, this seems to be the Atkins Booster Club

Now deanmike is a recent psychopath over a few years that likes to wear human skin and he's a 🦤, who thinks everyone likes Ross Atkins by the way.

[Daniel Labude]

On 2/20/2025 at 1:09 PM, Adam_GreenWood said:

I'm getting sick of all the crybabies on X, who are going to boycott the Jays games because we didn't resign Vladdy. 
Jays probably had good reasons to not sign him.  

 

Goes both ways. The people hating on Vlad now is more mind numbingly dumb. He should have been extended years ago, but the FO never wants to take chances far out. At the same time they never make the correct trade decisions, so they missed that opportunity as well. Would have been better to have a new FO controlling the outcome, but we are stuck with what they are doing which will likely be not trading Vlad or Bo and not extending either as well. The FO didn't have good reasons though, just reasons. They are cheap yet spend money unwisely, thats a fact 

[Stangstag]

12 minutes ago, LetTheBallFly said:

Goes both ways. The people hating on Vlad now is more mind numbingly dumb. He should have been extended years ago, but the FO never wants to take chances far out. At the same time they never make the correct trade decisions, so they missed that opportunity as well. Would have been better to have a new FO controlling the outcome, but we are stuck with what they are doing which will likely be not trading Vlad or Bo and not extending either as well. The FO didn't have good reasons though, just reasons. They are cheap yet spend money unwisely, thats a fact 

Oh great, Vladdy’s #1 fan is back! Lol

[Jimcanuck]

14 minutes ago, LetTheBallFly said:

Goes both ways. The people hating on Vlad now is more mind numbingly dumb. He should have been extended years ago, but the FO never wants to take chances far out. At the same time they never make the correct trade decisions, so they missed that opportunity as well. Would have been better to have a new FO controlling the outcome, but we are stuck with what they are doing which will likely be not trading Vlad or Bo and not extending either as well. The FO didn't have good reasons though, just reasons. They are cheap yet spend money unwisely, thats a fact 

How do you know the Jays did not make offers in years past, that Vlad then declined?

[Daniel Labude]

2 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Oh great, Vladdy’s #1 fan is back! Lol

Remind me again all who wanted to cut him years ago lmao

[Daniel Labude]

3 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

How do you know the Jays did not make offers in years past, that Vlad then declined?

Can't rule out the 5 year 80M extension offers you are correct. I meant realistic ones 

[Terminator]

They both are to blame.

Vlad says he wants to be here but seemingly rejects pretty good offers. The 140 mil one after 2021 we know about. Then most recently Passan says he rejected a ton of money this offseason. He's certainly no Jose Ramirez.

On the other hand, the Jays FO could have just forced the issue and made Vlad an offer he couldn't refuse. But they didn't and stuck closer to their valuations.

[saskjayfan]

I was all on the extend Vlad train.  13 years 450 or even 12 years 450.  That would be an overpay when you peg him to every player in the game save one, being Juan Soto.  Soto screwed the market up.   I'll take Vlad at his word that he wants to be here.  If he's asking 550 he has to have an amazing year to get there.  Let's just make the playoffs and if his market commands that level of expenditure feel confident that you can get him next off season.

The risks were too great to go to 550.  Vlad could have a down year.  Vlad could have an injury.   Tucker who put up 4.2 wins in 78 games last year might be the free agent with the highest FWAR going into next free agency.  The biggest risk that no one considers is play of Juan Soto.  What if Soto has a down year and puts up a 5 win season next year.  Vlad could put up a 6 win season and go into next season and say, OK pay me my Soto money and the market could be like.  That contract was ridiculous and we all dodged a bullet by not offering a 5 win player 51 mil a year. 

[Jonn]

If the number was anywhere near what David Ortiz thinks it should be they certainly did.

But once again if they weren't going to sign him to what he was asking for they should have moved him last year. 

[Jimcanuck]

11 hours ago, Jonn said:

If the number was anywhere near what David Ortiz thinks it should be they certainly did.

But once again if they weren't going to sign him to what he was asking for they should have moved him last year. 

Looking for reasons to criticize the FO, this is as weak as it gets

[SuperFuzzBigMuff]

Signing Vladdy now is like committing to buy a used car without warranty before test driving it. See how he plays this year then make an offer or at least see how he plays the first half of the season, make him an offer accordingly then trade him if he doesn't accept. Not sure why people feel he should already be extended? 

[JaysAllMighty]

1 hour ago, SuperFuzzBigMuff said:

Signing Vladdy now is like committing to buy a used car without warranty before test driving it. See how he plays this year then make an offer or at least see how he plays the first half of the season, make him an offer accordingly then trade him if he doesn't accept. Not sure why people feel he should already be extended? 

Well I believe most here want him extended but at a reasonable price.

[John_Havok]

Best case at this point is just doing what you can to ensure Vlad allows the Jays a chance to match the best offer he gets in FA. 

Then it's just like the drama never happened.

If they're out of it and can trade him at some point and still get that assurance...even better. 

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1 hour ago, SuperFuzzBigMuff said:

Signing Vladdy now is like committing to buy a used car without warranty before test driving it. See how he plays this year then make an offer or at least see how he plays the first half of the season, make him an offer accordingly then trade him if he doesn't accept. Not sure why people feel he should already be extended? 

We've already been test driving the car for 6 years already, don't you think it's time we commit to purchase? 😂

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Passans' "tonne of money" quote is meaningless if he isn't going to give us specifics.  Define "tonne of money".

Passan himself told Blaire;

"There will not be a first baseman getting a $300+ million contract. Period."

So to Passan, 300 million for a 1B is a crap tonne of money, and we already know the Jays offered him $340 million earlier in the offseason, so that would surely meet Passans' "tonne of money" quote.  

So there's no use jumping on this "tonne of money" quote as evidence that the Jays offered him a reasonable amount because Passan himself misjudged the market and doesn't know what a reasonable offer should be.

Like I said before, based on this front offices' track record dealing with Vlad, I bet they never offered $450 million, which I believe would have been close to Vlad's ask.

Hopefully the details leak soon so we can stop guessing based on a stupid Passan quote.

[max silver]

15 minutes ago, Vladdywagon said:

We've already been test driving the car for 6 years already, don't you think it's time we commit to purchase? 😂

The seller of the used car is trying to sell us on a 13 year payment plan but similar models of cars have broken down after another 6-7 years of use.

[Delete_My_Account_Thanks]

But that's the going rate for one of these supercars.

 

If we want to keep the car we have to pay up

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3 minutes ago, Vladdywagon said:

Passans' "tonne of money" quote is meaningless if he isn't going to give us specifics.  Define "tonne of money".

Passan himself told Blaire;

"There will not be a first baseman getting a $300+ million contract. Period."

So to Passan, 300 million for a 1B is a s*** tonne of money, and we already know the Jays offered him $340 million.  

So there's no use jumping on this "tonne of money" quote as evidence that the Jays offered him a reasonable amount.  

Like I said before, based on this front offices' track record dealing with Vlad, I bet they never offered $450 million, which I believe would have been close to Vlad's ask.

Hopefully the details leak soon.

Passan himself admitted that he's changed his mind on what Vlad's future earning may entail and that he very well could eclipse the $300 million mark. I'm sure you are well aware that he completely walked back the statement and that it's completely irrelevant at this point.

If the entire premise of your argument is based on a past statement that's been corrected by the person who originally made it then perhaps your argument isn't particularly sound to begin with.

[max silver]

3 minutes ago, Vladdywagon said:

But that's the going rate for one of these supercars.

 

If we want to keep the car we have to pay up

The supercars that set the market were known for more reliable performance and require a reasonable amount of effort to maintain. Those cars possessed a much higher top end and didn't have periods of time where they were misfiring and offering mediocre performance relative to the financial requirements.

The supercar the Blue Jays possess is very heavy in nature and has poor handling and acceleration. It has a miscalibrated electronics system that occasionally leads to itself driving off of the road. It's been known to require more and more maintenance over time that increases the required effort to even keep it on the road let alone maintaining it's performance. As this particular supercar is so unique in it's characteristics it's impossible to know at this point how it would perform in the market due to it's outlying characteristics and uneven performance.

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1 hour ago, max silver said:

Passan himself admitted that he's changed his mind on what Vlad's future earning may entail and that he very well could eclipse the $300 million mark. I'm sure you are well aware that he completely walked back the statement and that it's completely irrelevant at this point.

If the entire premise of your argument is based on a past statement that's been corrected by the person who originally made it then perhaps your argument isn't particularly sound to begin with.

We'll the basis of your argument is a vague quote "tonne of money" by a guy who has had to walk back statements about how much he thought Vlad would get.

You're using that quote to argue the Jays offered him a fair amount and now are placing blame on Vlad.

Maybe try taking off the Shatkins blinders, you might like it.

[max silver]

6 minutes ago, Vladdywagon said:

We'll the basis of your argument is a vague quote "tonne of money" by a guy who has had to walk back statements about how much he thought Vlad would get.

You're using that quote to argue the Jays offered him a fair amount and now are placing blame on Vlad.

Maybe try taking off the Shatkins blinders, you might like it.

Jeff Passan is likely the most respected insider in the sport of baseball. He made the original statement that he thought Vlad wouldn't touch $300 million, took a bunch of flak from other baseball people and walked the statement back entirely. I respect the guy even more for being willing to take his lumps and change his viewpoint when necessary, and the only reason I can see for you to use a retracted statement in your argument is that you have very little else to offer in this discussion to back up your viewpoints. 

Your entire argument is based on a bunch of assumptions. The fact of the matter is that none of us have any kind of idea what Vlad is actually asking for or what the final offer was from the team. We have a report from before the Soto signing that the team was offering somewhere around $350 million or thereabouts. There was an oddly specific opinion posted by David Ortiz that he views Vlad as being worth a 13 year $585 million contract. It's possible that this is what Vlad is asking for from the Blue Jays, but I'm not going to start making definitive statements here because I don't know what Vlad is asking for or what the front office was willing to offer. Go ahead and make a bunch of assumptions and assume that you are correct as that in your typical tact.

Try using some basic logic and reasoning in your posts and your opinions might even be taken seriously. 

[saskjayfan]

1 hour ago, Vladdywagon said:

But that's the going rate for one of these supercars.

 

If we want to keep the car we have to pay up

You don't know what the numbers that were offered and what was asked.  I'm not a big Shatkins fan at this point, but I can't even comment without knowing these numbers.  I wouldn't have paid 550.  There's no savings at that number.  You only assume risk of a massive overpayment.