Scherzer signs with Toronto

[L54]

Cool!

[JaysfaninFL]

Would he have signed if he wasn't confident there was one more impact bat coming?  Because everyone knows that's what the Jays sorely need in order to be a serious playoff contender.  And Scherzer doesn't seem like the type to come back for another season just to mark time for a 4th place team.

[Abomination]

This is excellent news! Now we just need one more legitimate bat. We're not the Dodgers, but this team could be really, really good next year.

[FellerFromFortune]

I can't wait to see Max tell John Schneider to "Sit the f*ck down" when he tries to take him out of a game. 😂

[Vancouverite]

6 minutes ago, JaysfaninFL said:

Would he have signed if he wasn't confident there was one more impact bat coming?  Because everyone knows that's what the Jays sorely need in order to be a serious playoff contender.  And Scherzer doesn't seem like the type to come back for another season just to mark time for a 4th place team.

does he share an agent with Bregman or Alonso?

[Angrioter]

2 minutes ago, FellerFromFortune said:

I can't wait to see Max tell John Schneider to "Sit the f*ck down" when he tries to take him out of a game. 😂

Ted Lilly 

[Terminator]

9 minutes ago, JaysfaninFL said:

Would he have signed if he wasn't confident there was one more impact bat coming?  Because everyone knows that's what the Jays sorely need in order to be a serious playoff contender.  And Scherzer doesn't seem like the type to come back for another season just to mark time for a 4th place team.

Yeah I don't see why the Jays would stop after signing Scherzer. I'm confident they'll add another bat.

[Funky]

Nice move.  I wonder if we go with a 5 or 6 man rotation now?  The rotation is getting up there in years and a few of the guys have a lot of pitches on  their arms.   

One more bat in the off season has been a huge success.  I didn’t think Ross still had it in him.  Gotta give kudos where kudos is due as I’ve s*** talked the guy enough

[Vancouverite]

nevermind. found it online

 

Boras represents Scherzer Bregman and Alonso

to me this pretty much confirms it that one of those sluggers will come here

Scherzer definitely wants to win. I don't think he's interested in proving he can pitch ...

[204Jays]

2 minutes ago, Vancouverite said:

nevermind. found it online

 

Boras represents Scherzer Bregman and Alonso

to me this pretty much confirms it that one of those sluggers will come here

Scherzer definitely wants to win. I don't think he's interested in proving he can pitch ...

What an offseason this would be....

We can dream right? That's still possible after all the 2nd place finishes.

[Laika]

Boss Atkins 💪 

[Fideldog]

Love this signing. One more bat would be nice, two would be amazing.

[Blue balls]

Nice add to the rotation. Creates a lot of depth in both the rotation and bullpen. Price close to projected. I liked the suggestion of someone who had escalators according to innings pitched but I guess the guaranteed salary was the incentive. Without doing any research, could also be he has ties with players already in the team or about to join…

[Delete_My_Account_Thanks]

So what's our payroll at now?  Wasn't it 267 mill before this?  Are we at 282 mill?

If so it looks like we're going above 300 million and into the 3rd tax threshold if we add another bat.  And we'd better sign another bat, otherwise we're spending 282 and into 2nd threshold for a borderline wild card contender.

Wow.  Just wow.  Never thought I'd live to see the Jays spend like drunken sailors.  I think we lose a pic if we go to the third threshold but what are these guys going to do with that anyways? Might as well just sign established free agents because drafting and development isn't there.

Do Ross and Mark have Ed Rogers pee pee tapes or something?  Whatever it is, I like it as long as we are going to maintain a high payroll like this.  Fantastic news.

Maybe we can extend Vlad to a mega contract that has a lower value for 2025 to get us under one of the thresholds?  

 

 

[Terminator]

Just now, Vladdywagon said:

So what's our payroll at now?  Wasn't it 267 mill before this?  Are we at 282 mill?

If so it looks like we're going above 300 million and into the 3rd tax threshold if we add another bat.  And we'd better sign another bat, otherwise we're spending 282 and into 2nd threshold for a borderline wild card contender.

Wow.  Just wow.  Never thought I'd live to see the Jays spend like drunken sailors.  I think we lose a pic if we go to the third threshold but what are these guys going to do with that anyways? Might as well just sign established free agents because drafting and development isn't there.

Do Ross and Mark have Ed Rogers pee pee tapes or something?  Whatever it is, I like it as long as we are going to maintain a high payroll like this.

Maybe we can extend Vlad to a mega contract that has a lower value for 2025 to get us under one of the thresholds?  

 

 

 

[Eat My Shatkins]

31 minutes ago, Vancouverite said:

nevermind. found it online

 

Boras represents Scherzer Bregman and Alonso

to me this pretty much confirms it that one of those sluggers will come here

Scherzer definitely wants to win. I don't think he's interested in proving he can pitch ...

Both Bregman and Alonso now please.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Hoss Atkins isn't phucking around, peeps

[saskjayfan]

1 hour ago, Terminator said:

Ross has had a good offseason. Yeah he whiffed on Soto and Sasaki, the latter of which was especially rough with the Straw trade factored in.

But he's been patient and it's paid off with Santander and Scherzer.

But he also jumped the market on relievers and got Garcia and Hoffman on deals that make them look like steals when Carlos Estevez who projects for an ERA over 4.00 is getting 2 years 22 million. 

We unlocked the cheat codes.  I mean our spending is at a level we've never gone before.  Screw it though.  With the money the dodgers are spending, I hope we sign Alonso or Bregman or trade for and impact bat.  We seem to be comfortable taking on injury risk so go trade for Yelich.

[saskjayfan]

4 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

Both Bregman and Alonso now please.

That's baby Dodger fan greed level.  I like it. 

[204Jays]

Have to think Scherzer coming here is a precursor to Alonso signing here.

At his age, he wants to win... have to think there are some assurances another bat is coming. 

Hector Gomez claims "more good news is coming"

[Terminator]

The CBT tax works in 2 ways.

1. A blanket tax on all overages depending on how many years you are over the tax. The Jays are a first year offender so they pay a 20% tax on all overages.
2. The second way the tax applies is the surcharge thresholds. There are various tiers depending on how much the team is over. But those surcharges only apply to the amounts you are over. For example, if you spend $302 mil you are in the highest tier and a 60 percent surcharge applies. But that surcharge only applies to the money above the threshold. So you'd pay a 60 percent surcharge on the 1 million that you would be over.

So going over the thresholds a little bit isn't a big deal, but if you go over them a lot it is. Especially once the Jays hit 281 million. Every dollar they spend between 281 mil and 301 million will carry a 42.5% surcharge.

Here's the surcharge tiers:

• $261 million to $281 million: 12 percent surcharge
• $281 million to $301 million: 42.5 percent surcharge for first year; 45 percent for each consecutive year after that
• $301 million or more: 60 percent surcharge

 

[Stangstag]

58 minutes ago, Abomination said:

This is excellent news! Now we just need one more legitimate bat. We're not the Dodgers, but this team could be really, really good next year.

No team is really close to the Dodgers at this point, but that doesn’t really matter. The playoffs are a crapshoot and we wouldn’t be playing the Dodgers until the very end anyways.

[204Jays]

2 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

No team is really close to the Dodgers at this point, but that doesn’t really matter. The playoffs are a crapshoot and we wouldn’t be playing the Dodgers until the very end anyways.

If LAD's rotation is as fragile as discussed/has been historically - couple that with a playoff heater run and anything can happen.

[Delete_My_Account_Thanks]

Losing to the Dodgers in the WS would be like, an amazing season.  I'm not worried about the Dodgers

[Masterbather]

1 hour ago, JaysfaninFL said:

Would he have signed if he wasn't confident there was one more impact bat coming?  Because everyone knows that's what the Jays sorely need in order to be a serious playoff contender.  And Scherzer doesn't seem like the type to come back for another season just to mark time for a 4th place team.

It would be no different if the Blue Jays were a terrible team or a contending team, it's a one year contract with low money so if the year is going terribly he gets traded to a contender. He ends up on a contender either way as long as he's healthy and doesn't completely suck.

[Vancouverite]

36 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

Both Bregman and Alonso now please.

f*** it. Let's do it

 

CBT be damned. If jays are rocking pre trade deadline than rogers can just jack up the ticket prices and playoff prices + all new merch sales to pay for that cbt

 

If they shjt the bed trade scherzer, bassit, bichette etc at deadline to finish season under CBT

 

Lets f***ing do it Roger's we know you got the money and if they win and go deep in playoffs you'll make that money back + some

[Mac]

This is as happy as I've felt about a move in a while. Scherzer has been one of my favourite pitchers for a long time and I can't wait to see him on the mound wearing a Blue Jay uniform.

I guess time will tell what the Jays get from him this season but this is a win for the front office. Hopefully it turns out to be as impactful as the signing feels today.

Max Scherzer is a Blue Jay. Man, that's awesome.

[max silver]

35 minutes ago, Terminator said:

The CBT tax works in 2 ways.

1. A blanket tax on all overages depending on how many years you are over the tax. The Jays are a first year offender so they pay a 20% tax on all overages.
2. The second way the tax applies is the surcharge thresholds. There are various tiers depending on how much the team is over. But those surcharges only apply to the amounts you are over. For example, if you spend $302 mil you are in the highest tier and a 60 percent surcharge applies. But that surcharge only applies to the money above the threshold. So you'd pay a 60 percent surcharge on the 1 million that you would be over.

So going over the thresholds a little bit isn't a big deal, but if you go over them a lot it is. Especially once the Jays hit 281 million. Every dollar they spend between 281 mil and 301 million will carry a 42.5% surcharge.

Here's the surcharge tiers:

• $261 million to $281 million: 12 percent surcharge
• $281 million to $301 million: 42.5 percent surcharge for first year; 45 percent for each consecutive year after that
• $301 million or more: 60 percent surcharge

 

This would be one of those situations where any further additions to the payroll become far more expensive than the initial sticker price would suggest. 

As a hypothetical situation if Alonso were signed for a straight $28 million salary for the 2025 season, I assume the team would be taxed at 12% for the first $8 million up to the second tier of the luxury tax, at a total of approximately $1 million. The tax would ramp up to 42.5% for the remaining $20 million, adding another $8.5 million in tax dollars to the ledger. If my thinking is correct this would bring the total financial outlay to nearly $36.5 million after tax. I can only assume that deferrals would be utilized to bring the tax dollars down to a more reasonable level.

[G-Snarls]

1 hour ago, Terminator said:

Yeah I don't see why the Jays would stop after signing Scherzer. I'm confident they'll add another bat.

Absolutely

You have to add one more bat now 

[Terminator]

10 minutes ago, max silver said:

This would be one of those situations where any further additions to the payroll become far more expensive than the initial sticker price would suggest. 

As a hypothetical situation if Alonso were signed for a straight $28 million salary for the 2025 season, I assume the team would be taxed at 12% for the first $8 million up to the second tier of the luxury tax, at a total of approximately $1 million. The tax would ramp up to 42.5% for the remaining $20 million, adding another $8.5 million in tax dollars to the ledger. If my thinking is correct this would bring the total financial outlay to nearly $36.5 million after tax. I can only assume that deferrals would be utilized to bring the tax dollars down to a more reasonable level.

Yeah that math checks out to me.

Sounds crazy but it seems like the Jays are seriously considering spending this much!