Santander Said He's "interested" In Joining Jays But "Just A Little Off" On Terms

[Barrelsandbombs]

3 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Still trying to understand how a cardinals account has been the new Jays insider but here we are lol. 

It's not just Jays, this account has been hitting on a bunch of stuff all offseason. The first one that I noticed was when he was first and early on reporting Joc Pederson to the Rangers.

He claims he used to be a middle man with connections around baseball, who would give info to other teams' reporters when asked. Now I think he just wants the credit for himself lol, so he started posting his own sourced info.

[Jays24]

7 minutes ago, Barrelsandbombs said:

It's not just Jays, this account has been hitting on a bunch of stuff all offseason. The first one that I noticed was when he was first and early on reporting Joc Pederson to the Rangers.

He claims he used to be a middle man with connections around baseball, who would give info to other teams' reporters when asked. Now I think he just wants the credit for himself lol, so he started posting his own sourced info.

Literally everything I've read from this account has seemed very logical and interesting.  

It seems like the Jays don't want to go past 4 years so maybe they've increased it from 82M to 90M during that time.  If so, not sure if like that approach since hes only 30 years old.  I'd prefer to add the extra year if it means the AAV is lower.  

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, jaysblue said:

SuperFuzzBigMuff has become the new rival for Brownie haha. 

Did someone pour water on you recently?

[jaysblue]

2 hours ago, Barrelsandbombs said:

 

Should recruit him to post on the new Jays Center! 

[jaysblue]

1 hour ago, Brownie19 said:

Did someone pour water on you recently?

I hope we can put things past us and move forward with a fresh start on this board. You're my Batman and I'm your Joker! We can't live without each other! 

[Brownie19]

21 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

I hope we can put things past us and move forward with a fresh start on this board. You're my Batman and I'm your Joker! We can't live without each other! 

That's an interesting way to think about it. I'll give it a try.

[Omar]

20 hours ago, 204Jays said:

Being left on the dance floor by Santander is like trying for that fat girl at the end of the night at a dive bar and coming up empty. 

Ouch lol. He would have signed by now if he wanted to be here. Undoubtedly leveraging us for another offer.

Unfair and illogical assessment because it would apply to every other team he hasn't signed with.  Ie. Everyone 

[Laika]

Realistically if Teoscar is worth a three year deal, Santader is worth four years.

He's two years younger, has been as good over the last three seasons, has better plate discipline stats, comparable BsR and defense, hits the ball as hard... only thing Teoscar really does better is more of a line drive / batting average skill set, which can sort of also be seen as a con since Santander's FB approach might mean more consistent HR output. And I guess Teo has more "athleticism" which might help him age better even if it has never shown up in good D or baserunning.

[Chappy]

If they are increasing AAV for a 4 year deal then why not just give him what he is seeking on a 5 year deal and try to front load as much as possible?  We all know 5 years is probably going to end poorly but if it’s front loaded it won’t be franchise crippling.  Doesn’t help this years budget but this team is not in an enviable position. 

[Brownie19]

2 hours ago, Laika said:

Realistically if Teoscar is worth a three year deal, Santader is worth four years.

He's two years younger, has been as good over the last three seasons, has better plate discipline stats, comparable BsR and defense, hits the ball as hard... only thing Teoscar really does better is more of a line drive / batting average skill set, which can sort of also be seen as a con since Santander's FB approach might mean more consistent HR output. And I guess Teo has more "athleticism" which might help him age better even if it has never shown up in good D or baserunning.

I was thinking this today - we'll said.  They are more similar than you think.

[BTS]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/as-mlbs-perfect-stalking-horse-blue-jays-in-predictable-bind/
 

Shi Davidi says they’re not the favourite for Santander 

[Jays24]

1 minute ago, BTS said:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/as-mlbs-perfect-stalking-horse-blue-jays-in-predictable-bind/
 

Shi Davidi says they’re not the favourite for Santander 

I'm curious but have our people ever been right about anything?  

[L54]

1 minute ago, BTS said:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/as-mlbs-perfect-stalking-horse-blue-jays-in-predictable-bind/
 

Shi Davidi says they’re not the favourite for Santander 

Excellent 

 

[L54]

Who is bidding on Santander? 
 

M’s? 

[Spanky99]

50 minutes ago, L54 said:

Who is bidding on Santander? 
 

M’s? 

Jays, Angels and Tigers

[Laika]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/01/anthony-santander-jack-flaherty-reportedly-open-to-short-term-offers.html

[Eat My Shatkins]

Getting Santander and/or Flaherty on short term deals would be such a huge win.

[glory]

It depends on what type of short term deals they are asking for. If it's a "Boras special" where it's like a 3 year deal with multiple opt outs, then I doubt the Jays would have interest there. Shapiro was pretty vocal years ago about hating player options, and while he bent and gave one to Berrios, I don't think it's something he is going to do often. If it's a straight 3 year deal at a higher AAV with no opt outs, then that's something that makes sense (Santander and/or Flaherty).

I don't think Santander is going to happen from the looks of it. 

[Jays24]

2 hours ago, Laika said:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/01/anthony-santander-jack-flaherty-reportedly-open-to-short-term-offers.html

That's probably not good news for us since we seemed like the favorites to land him.  Him going to a short term deal that comes with forfeiting a comp pick makes him A LOT less appealing.  

[L54]

No long term commitments >> Bregman >> Santander 

 

[Bone R]

Give Santander a one year $25M deal 

[jaysblue]

21 hours ago, Jays24 said:

That's probably not good news for us since we seemed like the favorites to land him.  Him going to a short term deal that comes with forfeiting a comp pick makes him A LOT less appealing.  

Not like this FO has been good at drafting anyways haha. 

Would be willing to sign Santander or Flaherty to a one-year deal with a high AAV. 

[BatFlip]

4 hours ago, Bone R said:

Give Santander a one year $25M deal 

I’m with you, but then his agent will say one year at $25m …. with a player option for another two years at $20m per.  So if Santander stinks, we are on the hook for say $65m and a comp pick, but if he’s good to great he bounces after one year.  

I hate those player opt out deals as there is generally too much risk on the team side if a player gets injured or underperforms, or both.

 

 

[Stangstag]

On 1/11/2025 at 7:43 PM, Eat My Shatkins said:

Getting Santander and/or Flaherty on short term deals would be such a huge win.

At this point, I have to think the player opt-outs are the thing making Atkins balk. Our front office has been very vocal about their dislike for opt-outs, and if those guys are signing a short-term deal it will need to have opt-outs like the Snell/Chapman/Correa deals.

But having any of those guys on a short term deal where they opt out after the season would be good for us because it means they had a good year.

[Stangstag]

5 hours ago, Bone R said:

Give Santander a one year $25M deal 

Probably looking for something more like 3/75 with an opt-out after year 1.

[Jays24]

Can Santandar just take Shatkins less than market value offer already? We need to sign another bat afterwards lol

 

[mphenhef]

On 1/7/2025 at 10:23 PM, Jays24 said:

Literally everything I've read from this account has seemed very logical and interesting.  

It seems like the Jays don't want to go past 4 years so maybe they've increased it from 82M to 90M during that time.  If so, not sure if like that approach since hes only 30 years old.  I'd prefer to add the extra year if it means the AAV is lower.  

I wonder if how bad Springer looked in his age 34 season is impacting this?

[mphenhef]

6 hours ago, Stangstag said:

At this point, I have to think the player opt-outs are the thing making Atkins balk. Our front office has been very vocal about their dislike for opt-outs, and if those guys are signing a short-term deal it will need to have opt-outs like the Snell/Chapman/Correa deals.

But having any of those guys on a short term deal where they opt out after the season would be good for us because it means they had a good year.

It’s likely an issue for the Jays due to having to give up draft assets to sign him.  If that turns out to be just one year that they have him that will hurt more.  
 

that being said, with how useless this front office is at drafting and developing they shouldn’t let that stop them.

[mphenhef]

Seeing the news about Santandar considering short terms deals on the heals of the Hoffman signing makes me wonder if the Jays are getting up against their budget and allocated funds they were going to spend on Santandar on Hoff instead. 

[saskjayfan]

1 hour ago, mphenhef said:

Seeing the news about Santandar considering short terms deals on the heals of the Hoffman signing makes me wonder if the Jays are getting up against their budget and allocated funds they were going to spend on Santandar on Hoff instead. 

That or the Jays were the only team offering 4 years and he doesn't want to come here.