Santander Said He's "interested" In Joining Jays But "Just A Little Off" On Terms

[Jays24]

5 minutes ago, Spanky99 said:

 

 

Which is it, man... 🤪

Does it look like i work for the Jays? We'll soon find out what it is lol.  

[Spanky99]

Rubber fence sitter.

[John_Havok]

11 hours ago, Spanky99 said:

Rubber fence sitter.

My vote goes to signing Santander and Alonso. Easy DH rotation between the 2 of them plus Vlad, though primarily I'd have Santander in LF, Alonso DH and Vlad at 1st. Clement at 3rd most days. 

As for contracts, I'd just offer short term deals, front loaded with 1 year opt outs. Like, if Santander wants 5/100, fine. But it's a 10m signing bonus and 30m for 2025, then 60 over the last 4. Basically begging him to opt out because you don't really want him for another 4 years anyways. 

Same style for Alonso. 

[max silver]

2 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

My vote goes to signing Santander and Alonso. Easy DH rotation between the 2 of them plus Vlad, though primarily I'd have Santander in LF, Alonso DH and Vlad at 1st. Clement at 3rd most days. 

As for contracts, I'd just offer short term deals, front loaded with 1 year opt outs. Like, if Santander wants 5/100, fine. But it's a 10m signing bonus and 30m for 2025, then 60 over the last 4. Basically begging him to opt out because you don't really want him for another 4 years anyways. 

Same style for Alonso. 

It would kind of painful to see these guys opt after a single season of play as if I'm not mistaken the team would be surrendering their second and third highest draft picks. They stand to pick fairly high in the upcoming draft and I don't think it nearly be worthwhile surrendering this type of draft capital for single seasons of defensively limited slugger types.

[John_Havok]

39 minutes ago, max silver said:

It would kind of painful to see these guys opt after a single season of play as if I'm not mistaken the team would be surrendering their second and third highest draft picks. They stand to pick fairly high in the upcoming draft and I don't think it nearly be worthwhile surrendering this type of draft capital for single seasons of defensively limited slugger types.

Certainly true.

But, at this point, even if we assume a Vlad extension, the lineup has virtually 0 power outside of Vlad. They need thump and they need it badly. 

The one wildcard in all this is Orelvis, but one cannot expect anything out of him yet. Sign them both, give up the picks. 

If all goes well. They make.noise in the playoffs.

If s*** goes south, trading whomever you can at the deadline recoups the 2 lost picks with players they didn't have to draft and spend 2-3 in the minors developing.

If they want contention, they have to take risks at this point. Status quo isn't good enough. Playing it safe is the wrong strategy for this situation IMO

If they don't want to take risks now for 2025, may as well just start the retool/rebuild early. 

[glory]

51 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

My vote goes to signing Santander and Alonso. Easy DH rotation between the 2 of them plus Vlad, though primarily I'd have Santander in LF, Alonso DH and Vlad at 1st. Clement at 3rd most days. 

As for contracts, I'd just offer short term deals, front loaded with 1 year opt outs. Like, if Santander wants 5/100, fine. But it's a 10m signing bonus and 30m for 2025, then 60 over the last 4. Basically begging him to opt out because you don't really want him for another 4 years anyways. 

Same style for Alonso. 

I agree with trying for a Santander/Alonso (or one of them + Bregman) combo at this point. It's not the smart baseball decision based on where the team is, but we are WAY past that at this point. They don't want to rebuild even when now is the perfect time to start it, and apparently they have no interest in trying a quick retool (ex. trading Vlad and then signing Alonso to replace him, etc). So the alternative has to be going all in for 2025. The issue is trying to fit all that plus a SP add on their payroll but again if you can afford to take Straw's contract hoping to win the lottery with it then you probably aren't counting pennies. Figure it out. If Rogers cares more about actual payroll than CBT payroll, then backloading makes more sense than front loading. 

Either way, you sign Santander and Alonso, and hope for at least 2025 you are some version of the 2022-24 Phillies. 

[John_Havok]

5 hours ago, glory said:

I agree with trying for a Santander/Alonso (or one of them + Bregman) combo at this point. It's not the smart baseball decision based on where the team is, but we are WAY past that at this point. They don't want to rebuild even when now is the perfect time to start it, and apparently they have no interest in trying a quick retool (ex. trading Vlad and then signing Alonso to replace him, etc). So the alternative has to be going all in for 2025. The issue is trying to fit all that plus a SP add on their payroll but again if you can afford to take Straw's contract hoping to win the lottery with it then you probably aren't counting pennies. Figure it out. If Rogers cares more about actual payroll than CBT payroll, then backloading makes more sense than front loading. 

Either way, you sign Santander and Alonso, and hope for at least 2025 you are some version of the 2022-24 Phillies. 

Yes, one of them plus Bregman is also a fine alternative for this situation.