Blue Jays Meeting With Vlad This Week To Discuss Future + Other Juicy Tidbits

[glory]

Vlad in his early to mid 20's is already a bad defensive 1B and either the worst baserunner in baseball or very close to it. That typically doesn't get better with age, and after he gets his big contract, can you be sure that motivation is not going to be an issue? I have no doubt that Vlad's bat has the potential to be special for many more years but if he wants to be one of the highest paid players in the game and feels his value is close to Soto's, then the Jays have a very tough decision to make. Either give him that money and live with the risk involved, or move on. If Vlad was a legit 3B, or OF, or any position with real value, and wasn't a complete sink hole on the bases then the case for a record deal would be a little bit better, but a bad defensive/baserunning 1B/DH for that term and dollar amount is scary.

[Brownie19]

At least Vlad was awesome last year - so his trade value is as high as possible.  If he'd flipped his production in 2023 and 2024, we'd be in a very difficult situation - similar to what we have with Bo right now where you almost have to keep him to let him re-build his value this season before you trade him.

[Bone R]

For those in the know, what are some examples of packages we'd get in return on a Vladdy trade?

[Bone R]

Just now, Brownie19 said:

At least Vlad was awesome last year - so his trade value is as high as possible.  If he'd flipped his production in 2023 and 2024, we'd be in a very difficult situation - similar to what we have with Bo right now where you almost have to keep him to let him re-build his value this season before you trade him.

Maybe the play as an organization is to trade Vladdy and re-sign Bichette while his value is low. Would Bo accept 7 years $175 million? 

[Brownie19]

7 minutes ago, Bone R said:

Maybe the play as an organization is to trade Vladdy and re-sign Bichette while his value is low. Would Bo accept 7 years $175 million? 

I don't see any situation where Bo signs an extension right now - unless we offer "stupid" money.  He'll play out this year and hit the FA market next offseason.  Lots of speculation that he wants to move on too.

To be honest, he's been downright awful since his injury in August 2023 and there's still some uncertainty about what he'll be this year - and in the future (as much as we all want to pencil in another 4 WAR season for him).

[Bone R]

Just now, Brownie19 said:

I don't see any situation where Bo signs an extension right now - unless we offer "stupid" money.  He'll play out this year and hit the FA market next offseason.  Lots of speculation that he wants to move on too.

To be honest, he's been downright awful since his injury in August 2023 and there's still some uncertainty about what he'll be this year - and in the future (as much as we all want to pencil in another 4 WAR season for him.

I think Bo has a big bounceback season 

[Laika]

15 minutes ago, Bone R said:

For those in the know, what are some examples of packages we'd get in return on a Vladdy trade?

Something like the Machado trade between BAL and LAD 

Less than the Soto to NYY deal of course 

Unless of course the deadline is hot and some team makes a desperate purchase 

I hope you like Dean Kremer! 

[wilko]

12 minutes ago, Bone R said:

Maybe the play as an organization is to trade Vladdy and re-sign Bichette while his value is low. Would Bo accept 7 years $175 million? 

Not sure I'd want to offer him that. He's basically riding on his hit tool, and I'm not sure it's going to age well. 

[Brownie19]

11 minutes ago, Bone R said:

I think Bo has a big bounceback season 

Most "think" that as well (me included), but there are some concerning red flags surrounding his recent results, ability to stay healthy and his ability to maintain production as he ages...

Can I ask - are you new to the board? (if so, welcome!) or did you name change with the move to the new site?

[glory]

7 minutes ago, wilko said:

Not sure I'd want to offer him that. He's basically riding on his hit tool, and I'm not sure it's going to age well. 

Yeah Bo's offensive profile is not one I'd want to trust on a long-term deal. I suspect he would have already been traded if he wasn't coming off such a down year in 2024. They have his replacement locked up, and about 100 2B as depth. I think this is a one and done with him. Vlad is the one they have to make the decision on. Bo's likely one foot out the door already. Have to hope money is a great motivator here.

[Carlos Danger]

31 minutes ago, Bone R said:

For those in the know, what are some examples of packages we'd get in return on a Vladdy trade?

Makes a huge difference if they trade him pre-season or at the deadline. You would get a lot better return now than at the deadline. Hence if you are going to trade him anyway, do the pre-season!!

If they do it with the Mets now, maybe something like Baty, Gilbert and Acuna. 

I would prefer Vientos in the deal over Baty, not sure if the Mets would do that unless it was some trade and sign deal. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Laika]

1 hour ago, Carlos Danger said:

Makes a huge difference if they trade him pre-season or at the deadline. You would get a lot better return now than at the deadline. Hence if you are going to trade him anyway, do the pre-season!!

If they do it with the Mets now, maybe something like Baty, Gilbert and Acuna. 

I would prefer Vientos in the deal over Baty, not sure if the Mets would do that unless it was some trade and sign deal. 

Can't see then doing Vientos

Baty+Gilbert+Acuna is a bait package. Lots of name value but not a lot of actual value. 

Baty has struggled mightily and might just suck. Gilbert was shite last year in AAA. Acuna has a cool brother but had a .299 OBP in AAA. 

[Brownie19]

2 minutes ago, Laika said:

Can't see then doing Vientos

Baty+Gilbert+Acuna is a bait package. Lots of name value but not a lot of actual value. 

Baty has struggled mightily and might just suck. Gilbert was shite last year in AAA. Acuna has a cool brother but had a .299 OBP in AAA. 

100% - that's a terrible return IMO.

[Angrioter]

8 hours ago, Bone R said:

I think 12 years x $35 for a total of $420 million gets the deal done. It'll have some bad years but Jays need to re-sign Vladdy. He sells tickets. 

I don't think so. Vladdy Jr is talking s*** lately here in the DR. He said that Soto opened a new door and he's the next big guy to get a big big money.... He's thinking over 500M for sure. 

 

 

Trade him ASAP 

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, Carlos Danger said:

Makes a huge difference if they trade him pre-season or at the deadline. You would get a lot better return now than at the deadline. Hence if you are going to trade him anyway, do the pre-season!!

Do we know how true this is?  I think we've certainly seen the value of players change as the season progresses due to injuries/needs.  If there's a rash of closers hurt, you can get more for him at the deadline than you may have at the start of the season.  

That may not apply to someone at the level of Vlad, but if Vlad is in the midst of a massive season, I could certainly see a bidding war at the deadline.  Sometime when teams can "taste it" they're more inclined to pay the price.  

Interesting topic to discuss.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Please trade Vlad, he is not worth what he's asking for.

To the Mets for Vientos and a couple of specs, then sign Bregman and Santander.

[Angrioter]

6 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

Please trade Vlad, he is not worth what he's asking for.

To the Mets for Vientos and a couple of specs, then sign Bregman and Santander.

Vladdy Jr isn't open to an extension with another team if the Jays traded him..... he want the open market.... that reduce the trade value 

[Abomination]

10 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

Please trade Vlad, he is not worth what he's asking for.

To the Mets for Vientos and a couple of specs, then sign Bregman and Santander.

Vientos is almost certainly going to take over 3rd for the Mets. I doubt they'd include him. 

[Brownie19]

12 minutes ago, Abomination said:

Vientos is almost certainly going to take over 3rd for the Mets. I doubt they'd include him. 

Vientos is awful defensively at 3rd though...it seems like a good fit to let Alonso go and move him to 1st...

[Abomination]

I wonder if Seattle would be a potential fit (possibly for Bo and Vladdy)?  We could take back some salary in Haniger and Crawford if necessary. They have a few tasty prospects.

[Carlos Danger]

42 minutes ago, Laika said:

Can't see then doing Vientos

Baty+Gilbert+Acuna is a bait package. Lots of name value but not a lot of actual value. 

Baty has struggled mightily and might just suck. Gilbert was shite last year in AAA. Acuna has a cool brother but had a .299 OBP in AAA. 

Don't disagree with you on name value. I just don't think the Blue Jays will get as much as people think. Using the Tucker deal as a benchmark. I also caveated Vientos (my preferred target)with a trade a sign deal. i.e, only way they trade him is if the Mets have a 48 hr window etc to sign Vladdy to and extension and get it done.

[Carlos Danger]

7 minutes ago, Abomination said:

37 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Do we know how true this is?  I think we've certainly seen the value of players change as the season progresses due to injuries/needs.  If there's a rash of closers hurt, you can get more for him at the deadline than you may have at the start of the season.  

That may not apply to someone at the level of Vlad, but if Vlad is in the midst of a massive season, I could certainly see a bidding war at the deadline.  Sometime when teams can "taste it" they're more inclined to pay the price.  

Interesting topic to discuss.

I wonder if Seattle would be a potential fit (possibly for Bo and Vladdy)?  We could take back some salary in Haniger and Crawford if necessary. They have a few tasty prospects.

There is an 85% plus chance IMO you get more now than at the deadline.

 

1. You have a lout more suitors now than at the deadline.

2. Do you think Vladdy is going to do better than last year's second half? Value is at a high.

3. One year of control with the possibility to trade again at the deadline has a lot more value than basically two months.

 

[Brownie19]

9 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said:

There is an 85% plus chance IMO you get more now than at the deadline.

 

1. You have a lout more suitors now than at the deadline.

2. Do you think Vladdy is going to do better than last year's second half? Value is at a high.

3. One year of control with the possibility to trade again at the deadline has a lot more value than basically two months.

 

I'm not convinced there are more "suitors" now.  That could change by the deadline due to injuries and such.  You could also have teams that wouldn't currently consider him, change their minds if they are "one piece away" at the deadline.

#2 and #3 are fair - especially the point that they could trade him at the deadline if their season doesn't go the way they'd hoped.  That's a strong point.

You could very well be right though - 85% chance you "get more now".

[Jays24]

16 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said:

There is an 85% plus chance IMO you get more now than at the deadline.

 

1. You have a lout more suitors now than at the deadline.

2. Do you think Vladdy is going to do better than last year's second half? Value is at a high.

3. One year of control with the possibility to trade again at the deadline has a lot more value than basically two months.

 

Not even sure why you would need to explain this to a grown person.  Of course you'd get more in return for a full year of Vlad coming off the season he just did vs 2 months of Vlad where there is performance/injury risks lol.  

[Brownie19]

14 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Not even sure why you would need to explain this to a grown person.  Of course you'd get more in return for a full year of Vlad coming off the season he just did vs 2 months of Vlad where there is performance/injury risks lol.  

Don't be a d*ck please.  Perhaps I should have re-phrased it to ask "how much more" do you get by trading him now v. at the deadline.  The difference may be less than you think under certain circumstances.  

[jaysblue]

48 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Not even sure why you would need to explain this to a grown person.  Of course you'd get more in return for a full year of Vlad coming off the season he just did vs 2 months of Vlad where there is performance/injury risks lol.  

You better watch it. He might put you on his IL next haha.

[Bone R]

2 hours ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

Please trade Vlad, he is not worth what he's asking for.

To the Mets for Vientos and a couple of specs, then sign Bregman and Santander.

I like this plan and if Vladdy goes to the Mets, Alonso becomes available 

[Terminator]

Competing without Vlad would be pretty tough.

[Rusty_Savage]

3 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Competing without Vlad would be pretty tough.

Competing with him appears like its going to tough as well

[Terminator]

4 minutes ago, Rusty_Savage said:

Competing with him appears like its going to tough as well

Yeah I can definitely see the argument for trading him. That's why if we do trade him I think we need to rebuild.