General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2025)

[Terminator]

15 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

And after the error, a walk and a home run.

Yes errors hurt, but he still sucked after the error.

We're closer to the bottom of the league than we are the top when it comes to runs against. But by all means keep pretending like pitching  hasn't been a problem for this team all season and continues to be a problem with the playoffs looming.

 

If you didn't know anything about baseball and just read this guy's posts you would assume that the Blue Jays are the worst team in MLB.

When in reality we have the best record in the American League lol

[Brownie19]

36 minutes ago, BB17 said:

Have him start a minor league game then. He wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire before that break either, there was signs of regression. 

Lauer doesn't have options and even if he did, you'd lose him for 15 days.  

[Brownie19]

2 hours ago, glory said:

BNS seemed pretty confident on X that Yesavage is an option for September and that the Jays will be granted the exemption to have him be post season eligible. Adding him and Fisher to the staff should be a big help. Beyond that, they need to hope the relievers get right and quickly. Not much else they can do at this point. Berrios looking awful and Lauer falling back down to earth is another issue for this team. 

What's this "exemption" you speak of?  (I don't use X) - I like the sounds of that!

[Laika]

5 minutes ago, Terminator said:

If you didn't know anything about baseball and just read this guy's posts you would assume that the Blue Jays are the worst team in MLB.

When in reality we have the best record in the American League lol

Wow, Toronto is limping upwards. Detroit and Houston have really not been good recently. 

Suddenly, Houston has to defend their own division. Rangers might make the playoffs again. 

Still a lot to decide in the AL.

The NL on the other hand is much less exciting. 

[Laika]

Toronto's series against NYY and BOS are must win series. I don't think they can lose those and expect to win the division or get a bye. 

[Stangstag]

9 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Lauer doesn't have options and even if he did, you'd lose him for 15 days.  

No see its simple, just put him on a bus to Buffalo and have him start a game next week.

[Stangstag]

2 minutes ago, Laika said:

Toronto's series against NYY and BOS are must win series. I don't think they can lose those and expect to win the division or get a bye. 

Sweep or bust

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36 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

And after the error, a walk and a home run.

Yes errors hurt, but he still sucked after the error.

We're closer to the bottom of the league than we are the top when it comes to runs against. But by all means keep pretending like pitching  hasn't been a problem for this team all season and continues to be a problem with the playoffs looming.

 

Berrios didn't pitch well, but you can't ignore the fact that the extra out directly contributed to 4 extra runs that inning that shouldn't have crossed the plate. He was already likely pretty fatigued at that point as his pitch count was very high, and the extra out forced him to throw more pitches before receiving some rest in the dugout. Most of the rotation is pitching well recently aside from Berrios. It's a pretty easy decision in my view to keep Berrios off of the post season roster, but even if he makes the roster it's very unlikely that he would receive any starts.

The bullpen is starting to look a lot better in recent outings as well. They have a ways to go before we can say they've put the August struggles behind nearly everyone aside from Little has looked much better their last few times out which is at least a potential starting point to better fortunes moving forward.

[Laika]

I guess there are much more extreme examples than Berrios if you turn down the IP cutoff to include non-qualifying SP

Kyle Hendricks has a 65 Stuff+ this year and 1.3 fWAR, lol

The problem won't be Berrios himself in the coming years. Crafty SP5 types who eat innings are fine. The issue will be if the organization cannot find the frontline SP ahead of him. 

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1 hour ago, BB17 said:

Have him start a minor league game then. He wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire before that break either, there was signs of regression. 

That's an imperfect solution as well as Lauer would have needed to stay in Buffalo for 15 days outside of an injury to another pitcher.

[max silver]

13 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

No see its simple, just put him on a bus to Buffalo and have him start a game next week.

Then he's gone for over 2 weeks. Maybe a certain young hurler in AAA could come up to take his place as a multi inning reliever, although I don't know if the team would want to instantly throw him into the fire in close games or not without first getting his feet wet.

[Terminator]

The doomsday narrative floating around isn't really accurate.

• The Jays had a 15-12 record in August.
• That's a .556 win percentage which is what the Yankees have for the season.
• The Yankees have gained 1 game on us since August 1st.

We've blown a couple of games we shouldn't have, but every team does. And the Yankees put together a 7-game win streak against the ChiSox and Nats.

Win today and win the series against the Yanks and the division is ours.

 

[glory]

34 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

What's this "exemption" you speak of?  (I don't use X) - I like the sounds of that!

Sounds like he would need to be an injury replacement in order to qualify for that, and BNS was pretty confident that it would get approved by MLB. So maybe a phantom IL stint coming up for someone?

[mphenhef]

28 minutes ago, Laika said:

Toronto's series against NYY and BOS are must win series. I don't think they can lose those and expect to win the division or get a bye. 

Say they lose both but don't get swept...they only lose a game to each team and are still up 1.5 games with the tie breaker. they can easily lose those series and still win the division.

[Spanky__99]

2 minutes ago, glory said:

Sounds like he would need to be an injury replacement in order to qualify for that, and BNS was pretty confident that it would get approved by MLB. So maybe a phantom IL stint coming up for someone?

Sandlin was moved to the 60 day, that's where the exemption would come in place, he isn't coming back, last I heard he was throwing long toss at 125 ft.

[glory]

32 minutes ago, Laika said:

Toronto's series against NYY and BOS are must win series. I don't think they can lose those and expect to win the division or get a bye. 

The Yankees series in particular is must win. NYY's last 13 games are a cakewalk. The "easiest" part of the Jays remaining schedule is the Orioles (who have beat up Jays pitching this season) and the Rays (who have beaten the Jays every year since the beginning of time). 

Jays fans aren't used to pennant race baseball, so it's going to get really stressful for a couple of weeks. 

[Laika]

5 minutes ago, mphenhef said:

Say they lose both but don't get swept...they only lose a game to each team and are still up 1.5 games with the tie breaker. they can easily lose those series and still win the division.

The current Fangraphs final standings projections are Jays 92 wins, NYY 91 wins, BOS 90 wins. 

Losing ground in those series could be catastrophic!!! 

[max silver]

13 minutes ago, glory said:

Sounds like he would need to be an injury replacement in order to qualify for that, and BNS was pretty confident that it would get approved by MLB. So maybe a phantom IL stint coming up for someone?

I don't think there's anything in the rules that dictates how recently the injury needs to have occurred. 

[Brownie19]

17 minutes ago, glory said:

Jays fans aren't used to pennant race baseball, so it's going to get really stressful for a couple of weeks. 

I think half our fans have never watched baseball before, so we best buckle up.

[Brownie19]

I just read this.  Unreal stuff.

George Springer over his last 45 games: 66 hits 50 runs 39 RBI 16 HR 9 SB. The only other MLB players to reach all of those numbers over a 45-game span in a single season are Babe Ruth (1920) & Lou Gehrig (1931)

[max silver]

8 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

I just read this.  Unreal stuff.

George Springer over his last 45 games: 66 hits 50 runs 39 RBI 16 HR 9 SB. The only other MLB players to reach all of those numbers over a 45-game span in a single season are Babe Ruth (1920) & Lou Gehrig (1931)

I was hoping that maybe in a perfect world George could bounce back to being something like a 110-120 wRC+ bat based on his expected statistics but I never thought he'd be capable of one of his career best seasons at age 35. 

[John_Havok]

9 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

I just read this.  Unreal stuff.

George Springer over his last 45 games: 66 hits 50 runs 39 RBI 16 HR 9 SB. The only other MLB players to reach all of those numbers over a 45-game span in a single season are Babe Ruth (1920) & Lou Gehrig (1931)

I wonder what Bo's numbers look like in his best 45 game stretch thus season? Fewer HRs and SB probably but the hits, RBI and runs are probably pretty close or higher.

[max silver]

27 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

I wonder what Bo's numbers look like in his best 45 game stretch thus season? Fewer HRs and SB probably but the hits, RBI and runs are probably pretty close or higher.

Based on how hot Bo is at the moment I suspect his latest 45 games are his best of the season. He's also on a pretty crazy heater right now as well over the same sample:

69 hits 32 runs 39 RBI 6 HR 19 2B

This all makes sense that he's scored fewer runs given where he's positioned in the order. He's hit a lot fewer home runs but he's been cranking out a double nearly every other game. The total slashline over these 45 games basically represents peak Bo:

.371

/.418

/.570

.988 OPS 176 wRC+

[Spanky__99]

1 hour ago, Brownie19 said:

What's this "exemption" you speak of?  (I don't use X) - I like the sounds of that!

https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/postseason-roster-rules-eligibility

[mphenhef]

53 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

I just read this.  Unreal stuff.

George Springer over his last 45 games: 66 hits 50 runs 39 RBI 16 HR 9 SB. The only other MLB players to reach all of those numbers over a 45-game span in a single season are Babe Ruth (1920) & Lou Gehrig (1931)

Babe Ruth had 9 SBs in a 45 game span?  I might have guessed the under on career stolen bases at that number lol.

[Orgfiller]

44 minutes ago, mphenhef said:

Babe Ruth had 9 SBs in a 45 game span?  I might have guessed the under on career stolen bases at that number lol.

Can you imagine how horrendous the catchers of back then would have been? They're also probably catching pitches thrown at max like 75-85 mph? So significantly easier to steal back then. Sluggers of the past like Ruth and Gehrig both had 100+ career SBs, Jimmy Foxx had 87, for example.

[bones]

I know Lauer has looked bad recently out of the pen, but does anyone else have reason to believe Berrios's stuff would play up a lot better out of the pen then Lauer's would? 

At least Berrios has at some point in his career had swing and miss stuff and more velocity. 

Although looking now, Lauer does have similar K9 to Berrios for their careers.

[R.O.]

Ty France in August: 119 wRC+
"Second half" Ty France: 130wR+

[Jays24]

2 man OF with 5 IFs lol. 

[jmomcc]

God that houston win feels absolutely enormous