General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2025)

[Terminator]

Just now, Laika said:

Bowden Francis has -0.7 fWAR, horrible peripherals everywhere, and his Stuff+ has cratered to 93.

His breaking ball and splitter have become below average pitches over the offseason.

I don't think the team can justify giving him any more turns in the rotation. He does have an option left. 

Problem is there is nobody to call up. Easton Lucas is getting hammered now in AAA. CJ Van Eyk and Lazaro Estrada are the only AAA or AA SP who have even remotely okay K-BB rates. Michael Dominguez in AA is only a 3 inning "SP". 

All the good SP prospects are too far away. Yesavage, Stephen, Stanifer, Watts-Brown.

Could Lazaro Estrada be better than Francis? 

Time for a trade. 

At a minimum they need to move him to the bullpen. If he lets it fly for 2-3 innings he could be effective.

The problem is that we are already doing bullpen days with Lauer/Schultz. 

[Laika]

26 minutes ago, Terminator said:

At a minimum they need to move him to the bullpen. If he lets it fly for 2-3 innings he could be effective.

The problem is that we are already doing bullpen days with Lauer/Schultz. 

Yeah it seems to me that the Lauer/Schultz tandem is probably already better than Francis, so he's the SP5. 

I don't really agree with Jonah Birenbaum. I don't see an arsenal that plays up much in the pen. Last year, he was a fringe FB guy with two decent secondaries and good command - that is a starter package more than a reliever package. 

If he was like, 94-95 right now and you could imagine it playing up to 98+ in the pen, then sure do it. But he's going to be a reliever throwing 94/95 just like very other RHRP. 

Would prefer to let him tinker with grips in AAA. Jays need the SP depth anyway. 

[Terminator]

22 minutes ago, Laika said:

Yeah it seems to me that the Lauer/Schultz tandem is probably already better than Francis, so he's the SP5. 

I don't really agree with Jonah Birenbaum. I don't see an arsenal that plays up much in the pen. Last year, he was a fringe FB guy with two decent secondaries and good command - that is a starter package more than a reliever package. 

If he was like, 94-95 right now and you could imagine it playing up to 98+ in the pen, then sure do it. But he's going to be a reliever throwing 94/95 just like very other RHRP. 

Would prefer to let him tinker with grips in AAA. Jays need the SP depth anyway. 

Yeah he's got to get his splitter back. Optioning him makes sense but I'm not sure who the heck replaces him right now.

• Ideally you'd like to see Turnbull have a good 4+ inning start in AAA. But I might just call him up anyway. It's not like he'd be any worse than Francis right now.
• Maybe we should start stretching out Yariel? Sandlin should be back soon.
• Make Lauer a traditional starter? And team someone else up with Schultz for the bullpen days?

A trade makes sense and they can happen this early but I'm not sure it's in the cards right now. 

[Brownie19]

What does Mitch Keller cost use via trade?

[G-Snarls]

46 minutes ago, Terminator said:

At a minimum they need to move him to the bullpen. If he lets it fly for 2-3 innings he could be effective.

The problem is that we are already doing bullpen days with Lauer/Schultz. 

Dare I suggest flipping Bowden and Yariel roles for a month and see how that works out?

[Ducks head]

[BatFlip]

10 minutes ago, Laika said:

Yeah it seems to me that the Lauer/Schultz tandem is probably already better than Francis, so he's the SP5. 

I don't really agree with Jonah Birenbaum. I don't see an arsenal that plays up much in the pen. Last year, he was a fringe FB guy with two decent secondaries and good command - that is a starter package more than a reliever package. 

If he was like, 94-95 right now and you could imagine it playing up to 98+ in the pen, then sure do it. But he's going to be a reliever throwing 94/95 just like very other RHRP. 

Would prefer to let him tinker with grips in AAA. Jays need the SP depth anyway. 

100% this.  His stuff isn't going to play up in a relief role.  He needs to go down to AAA and see if he can start commanding the fastball. 

Without the four seam pinpoint location he had last year, everyone is just hammering his entire arsenal: fastball, splitter, curveball - everything is being hit hard.  The heat map for his fastball location this year is horrendous.

He'll need to see if he can work things out in AAA - I haven't given up on him yet, but it's been a rough go this year.

[Terminator]

I missed this yesterday. Turnbull will get one more start in AAA. Hopefully he's good and they can call him up after that. 

[jaysblue]

I would keep Yariel in the pen. He's had a lot of success down there and an important arm. Hate to mess with what has been working for him. Just leave him be and don't tamper with the newfound success he's had as a reliever! 

[jaysblue]

1 hour ago, Terminator said:

I missed this yesterday. Turnbull will get one more start in AAA. Hopefully he's good and they can call him up after that. 

Yeah hopefully Turnbull can hold down the fort until Scherzer/Manoah get back.

Lauer/Schultz tandem in the No. 5 slot I think is fine.

[max silver]

2 hours ago, Terminator said:

Yeah he's got to get his splitter back. Optioning him makes sense but I'm not sure who the heck replaces him right now.

• Ideally you'd like to see Turnbull have a good 4+ inning start in AAA. But I might just call him up anyway. It's not like he'd be any worse than Francis right now.
• Maybe we should start stretching out Yariel? Sandlin should be back soon.
• Make Lauer a traditional starter? And team someone else up with Schultz for the bullpen days?

A trade makes sense and they can happen this early but I'm not sure it's in the cards right now. 

Adam Macko is up to 4 innings in his most recent start, albeit in the complex league. 

[Laika]

Macko is healthy? That's great news. 

[connorp2]

8 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

Oh, they're no longer your team now, ya bird? Royce Lewis. 😅🖕 

Not my FO. I honestly think they’re one of the worst in baseball. They (along with a number of you guys here) are completely obtuse to the fact that you don’t pay premiums for defense. Most of my young players hit. Lewis was clearly looking great and just got derailed with serious injury after serious injury and sometimes they just don’t come back the same. I wouldn’t count him out just yet. But I also wouldn’t bet on him anymore at this point in time. 

[Spanky__99]

18 minutes ago, connorp2 said:

Not my FO. I honestly think they’re one of the worst in baseball. They (along with a number of you guys here) are completely obtuse to the fact that you don’t pay premiums for defense.  

See, you truly have a bird brain bro, everyone and their sister have wanted Ross gone, lol. The only one that's obtuse here is you.

 

[Spanky__99]

43 minutes ago, Laika said:

Macko is healthy? That's great news. 

I think his next step is rehab assignment. As Max said he's pitching in the complex league.

[Stangstag]

1 hour ago, connorp2 said:

Lauer reminded me of Bauer, who recently won a settlement against the crazy lady. The 2024 election at least made it know that the country was not going to too far Left. It’s crazy to believe no team would even sign him to an milb deal. Honestly, he should just sue mlb at this point. With no smoking gun, he may not win. But in the court of public opinion, there will be a lot of people questioning the situation. Like how toxic is he really, he’s not a kiddie diddler. He’s honestly not worth an milb flyer for every single team? All teams need quality SP depth. It just seems to stretch past a reasonable assumption. I would imagine mlb would seriously consider a settlement and making it go away. 

Cry more

[Terminator]

8 hours ago, Terminator said:

Gimenez has an xwOBA of .323 this year.

In 2022, he had an xwOBA of .326 and put up a 6.1 WAR season.

He's underperforming his Batting Average right now by 66 points, almost entirely due to a .214 BABIP which is extremely low for a lefty with his speed.

He's going to be great.

Well would you look at that...the Jays have two hits so far tonight and Gimenez has them both. 

[connorp2]

There should be a sticky note section with a glossary of offenses that can get you banned. I was banned for 1) Thread jacking, 2) Flame baiting, and 3) trolling 

I found these accusations to be unfounded and highly inflammatory.

My posts were all of the baseball related nature. My Bauer post couldn’t been better positioned in Around Baseball, but he should be a legit Jay target in SP depth and it was relevant. 
 

I’ve been called personal attack names pretty much anytime I post. I simply mentioned that many of you guys felt ok with Giminez’ contract because of his defense, which is true and that mlb contracts historically don’t support anything close to that, which is also true. The debate about the value of defense and offense in a monetary sense for FA is a healthy one. 

Some due process would be nice, especially with a Pro Bono attorney on the Board of Directors here. Even if his T/E ratios imbalances tend to make things tougher on a guy like me.

Also, I may be interested in a fantasy spot if one opens up. 

 

 

 

[Spanky__99]

56 minutes ago, connorp2 said:

There should be a sticky note section with a glossary of offenses that can get you banned. I was banned for 1) Thread jacking, 2) Flame baiting, and 3) trolling 

I found these accusations to be unfounded and highly inflammatory.

My posts were all of the baseball related nature. My Bauer post couldn’t been better positioned in Around Baseball, but he should be a legit Jay target in SP depth and it was relevant. 
 

I’ve been called personal attack names pretty much anytime I post. I simply mentioned that many of you guys felt ok with Giminez’ contract because of his defense, which is true and that mlb contracts historically don’t support anything close to that, which is also true. The debate about the value of defense and offense in a monetary sense for FA is a healthy one. 

Some due process would be nice, especially with a Pro Bono attorney on the Board of Directors here. Even if his T/E ratios imbalances tend to make things tougher on a guy like me.

Also, I may be interested in a fantasy spot if one opens up. 

 

 

 

[BTS]

1 hour ago, connorp2 said:

There should be a sticky note section with a glossary of offenses that can get you banned. I was banned for 1) Thread jacking, 2) Flame baiting, and 3) trolling 

I found these accusations to be unfounded and highly inflammatory.

My posts were all of the baseball related nature. My Bauer post couldn’t been better positioned in Around Baseball, but he should be a legit Jay target in SP depth and it was relevant. 
 

I’ve been called personal attack names pretty much anytime I post. I simply mentioned that many of you guys felt ok with Giminez’ contract because of his defense, which is true and that mlb contracts historically don’t support anything close to that, which is also true. The debate about the value of defense and offense in a monetary sense for FA is a healthy one. 

Some due process would be nice, especially with a Pro Bono attorney on the Board of Directors here. Even if his T/E ratios imbalances tend to make things tougher on a guy like me.

Also, I may be interested in a fantasy spot if one opens up. 

 

 

 

"The 2024 election at least made it know that the country was not going to too far Left"

You're also generally on thin ice because you've been legit banned many times and all of your posts are just bad-faith attempts to bait people into arguments. 

 

[Laika]

what is the point of letting connorp post at all? 

[BTS]

1 hour ago, Laika said:

what is the point of letting connorp post at all? 

None really 

[keggy]

Regarding the pitching situation, barring a trade or signing this one seems easy to me.

Swanson is back, with Sandlin and Garcia likely returning soon also. Fisher leads the entire team in xFIP. Schultz and Lauer have performed.

Meanwhile, our rotation currently has 3 MLB calibre starters. Turnbull is still throwing 88 mph slop to minor leaguers. Between Turnbull Manoah and Scherzer, old man Scherzer is by far the closest which tells you everything you need to know.

If Sandlin and Yimi come back, start stretching out one or both of Lauer and Yariel for major innings. They're really the only guys with a starter's repertoire. If Scherzer's arm holds up we can decide what to do with the 5th slot afterwards

[connorp2]

6 hours ago, Laika said:

what is the point of letting connorp post at all? 

Something called the 1st Amendment my friend, I would make some kind of joke around the number 51 of Toronto’s 3rd base coach, Carlos Febles, but I don’t want sort of miscommunication to occur.

[connorp2]

Where’s Jim!

[connorp2]

7 hours ago, BTS said:

"The 2024 election at least made it know that the country was not going to too far Left"

You're also generally on thin ice because you've been legit banned many times and all of your posts are just bad-faith attempts to bait people into arguments. 

 

In seriousness, the tone has died down and being 34, it’s pretty clear it’s collusion at this point. But we can not discuss it. 

[BatFlip]

6 hours ago, Laika said:

what is the point of letting connorp post at all? 

[Masterbather]

1 hour ago, connorp2 said:

Something called the 1st Amendment my friend, I would make some kind of joke around the number 51 of Toronto’s 3rd base coach, Carlos Febles, but I don’t want sort of miscommunication to occur.

Isn't more section 2 of the Canadian Charter what you mean? Although I don't know how things work online in terms of jurisdiction. Also, it applies primarily to freedom with respect to government interference as opposed to a private message board.

But hey I do agree with you on Bauer, but I also understand that there's absolutely no chance it'll ever happen.

[Terminator]

On 6/4/2025 at 10:11 AM, Terminator said:

Gimenez has an xwOBA of .323 this year.

In 2022, he had an xwOBA of .326 and put up a 6.1 WAR season.

He's underperforming his Batting Average right now by 66 points, almost entirely due to a .214 BABIP which is extremely low for a lefty with his speed.

He's going to be great.

Bump

[John_Havok]

4 hours ago, connorp2 said:

Something called the 1st Amendment my friend, I would make some kind of joke around the number 51 of Toronto’s 3rd base coach, Carlos Febles, but I don’t want sort of miscommunication to occur.

Come on man, you know better than to invoke the 1st amendment on an internet message board.

At least.... i hope so. I've defended you for many things but this is indefensible.

[connorp2]

3 hours ago, John_Havok said:

Come on man, you know better than to invoke the 1st amendment on an internet message board.

At least.... i hope so. I've defended you for many things but this is indefensible.

Yes yes. I also can’t tell “FIRE” in a crowded movie theatre, Thanks for the refresher.