General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2025)

[BB17]

1 hour ago, Laika said:

I wonder if the same launch angle isn't always the same ball flight 

Like, an 18 degree swing then results in an 18 degree trajectory is a squared up ball. Sweet spot 100%.

An 18 degree trajectory from a 1 degree attack angle is not exactly right on the sweet spot. Probably a bit above. Different spin? Not as squared up? 

I feel Vladdy has had some hits this year where the EV and launch angle should produce way more distance than it has. I don't know if its to do with spin but the ball just hasn't carried whatsoever more than a few times. I was at the park and he hit a ball like 108/32 and it didn't leave the yard. Even to dead centre that ball should go like 415 feet.

[jaysblue]

Fantrax site down. 

Never recalled Fantrax being this bad and glitchy in past seasons. Seems like we encounter problems every week on this platform. 

[Spanky__99]

Cal Raleigh is on pace to have the single best season ever(9.8 fWAR), and Will Smith is right behind him.

Oops, wrong thread, ah well.

[saskjayfan]

Bo is having a really solid rebound with the bat.  His expected numbers are quite a bit higher than his actual numbers.  He was going through that ofer stretch and you find out he's dealing with back tightness. It makes sense. The thing is, the kid is in a contract year.  He's in the worst shape of his life.  He's not grossly out of shape or anything, but he's no where near as fit or as strong as he was a couple years ago.  I hope he can get a bit fitter as the year goes on.  I actually really like the kid and he's under a lot of pressure with this being his contract year.

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, saskjayfan said:

Bo is having a really solid rebound with the bat.  His expected numbers are quite a bit higher than his actual numbers.  He was going through that ofer stretch and you find out he's dealing with back tightness. It makes sense. The thing is, the kid is in a contract year.  He's in the worst shape of his life.  He's not grossly out of shape or anything, but he's no where near as fit or as strong as he was a couple years ago.  I hope he can get a bit fitter as the year goes on.  I actually really like the kid and he's under a lot of pressure with this being his contract year.

I'm curious how you're definitively concluding that Bo is in the worst shape of his life and no where near where he was a couple of years ago.  Are you his pool boy?

[Laika]

56 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

I'm curious how you're definitively concluding that Bo is in the worst shape of his life and no where near where he was a couple of years ago.  Are you his pool boy?

Sort of obvious just with how he moves and looks, and in the injuries last couple of years.

It would be true of basically everyone because that's what aging is but he does seem to be aging sharply. 

[mphenhef]

3 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

Cal Raleigh is on pace to have the single best season ever(9.8 fWAR), and Will Smith is right behind him.

Oops, wrong thread, ah well.

single best catcher season I take it?

[Orgfiller]

17 minutes ago, mphenhef said:

single best catcher season I take it?

Top 30 such seasons: https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&month=0&ind=1&startdate=&enddate=&season1=1871&season=2025&pos=c

#	Season	Name	Team	G	PA	HR	R	RBI	SB	BB%	K%	ISO	BABIP	AVG	OBP	SLG	wOBA		wRC+	BsR	Off	Def	WAR
1	2012	Buster Posey	SFG	148	610	24	78	103	1	11.3%	15.7%	.213	.368	.336	.408	.549	.406		164	-4.6	41.8	32.8	9.8
2	1972	Johnny Bench	CIN	147	652	40	87	125	6	15.3%	12.9%	.271	.246	.270	.379	.541	.402		156	-0.8	39.4	20.0	9.2
3	1997	Mike Piazza	LAD	152	633	40	104	124	5	10.9%	12.2%	.277	.363	.362	.431	.638	.452		183	0.6	66.9	5.5	9.1
4	1982	Gary Carter	MON	154	653	29	91	97	2	11.9%	9.8%	.217	.284	.293	.381	.510	.388		150	-1.6	34.9	23.3	8.4
5	2009	Joe Mauer	MIN	138	606	28	94	96	4	12.5%	10.4%	.222	.373	.365	.444	.587	.438		170	-2.1	50.8	11.3	8.3
6	2008	Brian McCann	ATL	145	573	23	68	87	5	9.9%	11.2%	.222	.306	.301	.373	.523	.386		135	-4.8	20.5	44.3	8.3
7	1943	Josh Gibson	HG	69	302	20	93	109	4	17.2%		.402		.466	.560	.867	.639		251	0.4	60.8	3.4	8.1
8	1974	Johnny Bench	CIN	160	708	33	108	129	5	11.3%	12.7%	.227	.281	.280	.363	.507	.387		142	-0.4	33.7	18.4	8.0
9	1970	Johnny Bench	CIN	158	671	45	97	148	5	8.0%	15.2%	.294	.281	.293	.345	.587	.399		144	0.4	37.3	15.8	7.9
10	1953	Roy Campanella	BRO	144	590	41	103	142	4	11.4%	9.8%	.299	.288	.312	.395	.611	.441		154	0.5	42.4	15.6	7.7
11	1886	King Kelly	CHI	118	534	4	155	79	53	15.5%	6.2%	.146	.413	.388	.483	.534	.475		177	3.6	66.3	-1.0	7.6
12	1977	Carlton Fisk	BOS	152	632	26	106	102	7	11.9%	13.4%	.205	.329	.315	.402	.521	.403		143	-0.5	31.9	21.0	7.6
13	1979	Darrell Porter	KCR	157	679	20	101	112	3	17.8%	9.6%	.193	.293	.291	.421	.484	.399		144	-0.7	35.5	15.8	7.5
14	2014	Buster Posey	SFG	147	605	22	72	89	0	7.8%	11.4%	.179	.319	.311	.364	.490	.371		142	-3.5	25.4	24.9	7.5
15	2012	Yadier Molina	STL	138	563	22	65	76	12	8.0%	9.8%	.186	.316	.315	.373	.501	.375		138	-4.8	20.9	33.5	7.5
16	2014	Jonathan Lucroy	MIL	153	655	13	73	69	4	10.1%	10.8%	.164	.324	.301	.373	.465	.368		133	-1.9	22.3	25.7	7.4
17	1993	Mike Piazza	LAD	149	602	35	81	112	3	7.6%	14.3%	.243	.322	.318	.370	.561	.401		150	-0.9	36.3	16.5	7.4
18	2008	Russell Martin	LAD	155	650	13	87	69	18	13.8%	12.8%	.116	.309	.280	.385	.396	.350		112	1.4	11.2	41.1	7.3
19	1992	Darren Daulton	PHI	145	585	27	80	109	11	15.0%	17.6%	.254	.288	.270	.385	.524	.399		156	1.3	37.1	11.2	7.2
20	2013	Yadier Molina	STL	136	541	12	68	80	3	5.5%	10.2%	.158	.338	.319	.359	.477	.362		133	-2.5	17.5	32.5	7.2
21	1984	Gary Carter	MON	159	669	27	75	106	2	9.6%	8.5%	.193	.287	.294	.366	.487	.377		142	-0.4	31.0	14.9	7.1
22	1951	Roy Campanella	BRO	143	562	33	90	108	1	9.4%	9.1%	.265	.311	.325	.393	.590	.440		158	-0.2	40.5	10.6	7.1
23	1968	Bill Freehan	DET	155	635	25	73	84	0	10.2%	10.1%	.191	.258	.263	.366	.454	.375		149	-0.3	30.4	11.9	7.0
24	1993	Chris Hoiles	BAL	126	503	29	80	82	1	13.7%	18.7%	.274	.338	.310	.416	.585	.433		166	-0.1	41.0	12.9	7.0
25	1966	Joe Torre	ATL	148	614	36	83	101	0	9.8%	9.9%	.245	.300	.315	.382	.560	.408		157	-1.2	39.9	1.3	6.9
26	1983	Gary Carter	MON	145	609	17	63	79	1	8.4%	9.4%	.174	.272	.270	.336	.444	.343		117	-0.3	11.3	35.6	6.8
27	1999	Ivan Rodriguez	TEX	144	630	35	116	113	25	3.8%	10.2%	.227	.324	.332	.356	.558	.388		125	-0.4	20.9	28.2	6.8
28	1975	Johnny Bench	CIN	142	606	28	83	110	11	10.7%	17.8%	.236	.303	.283	.359	.519	.387		140	2.3	29.9	14.8	6.8
29	2015	Buster Posey	SFG	150	623	19	74	95	2	9.0%	8.3%	.153	.320	.318	.379	.470	.363		135	-1.7	23.8	20.8	6.8
30	1937	Bill Dickey	NYY	140	608	29	87	133	3	12.0%	3.6%	.238	.307	.332	.417	.570	.442		146	-1.0	40.7	7.2	6.7

[Spanky__99]

18 minutes ago, mphenhef said:

single best catcher season I take it?

Yup.

[BTS]

3 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

Cal Raleigh is on pace to have the single best season ever(9.8 fWAR), and Will Smith is right behind him.

Oops, wrong thread, ah well.

Big Dumper is kinda starting to look like a possible future HoFer 

[BatFlip]

Big Dumper has 19 dingers already.  Jesus.

 

[Spanky__99]

1 hour ago, BTS said:

Big Dumper is kinda starting to look like a possible future HoFer 

If he stays relatively healthy, I can't see why not, the Mariners signed him on a steal of a contract. 17.5M AAV is peanuts for his value. Dude is elite on both sides of the plate.

[BatFlip]

1 minute ago, Spanky__99 said:

If he stays relatively healthy, I can't see why not, the Mariners signed him on a steal of a contract. 17.5M AAV is peanuts for his value.

They're making out like bandits on that one.

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, BTS said:

Big Dumper is kinda starting to look like a possible future HoFer 

After just 4 full seasons in the majors, he'll likely have more career WAR than Sal Perez does after his 13th full season...

[Spanky__99]

2 minutes ago, BatFlip said:

They're making out like bandits on that one.

[John_Havok]

Swanson could be activated as soon as tomorrow. 

Gimenez getting rehab games soon.

Burr had a setback with his shoulder and is shut down again.

Sandlin threw bullpen on May 26. Will meet Blue Jays back home to throw off mound one more time before facing hitters and starting a rehab assignment. 

 

 

 

[Terminator]

4 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

Swanson could be activated as soon as tomorrow. 

Gimenez getting rehab games soon.

Burr had a setback with his shoulder and is shut down again.

Sandlin threw bullpen on May 26. Will meet Blue Jays back home to throw off mound one more time before facing hitters and starting a rehab assignment. 

Our bullpen is stacked.

Not sure Swanson even deserves to be on the big league team if everyone is healthy.

[John_Havok]

14 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Our bullpen is stacked.

Not sure Swanson even deserves to be on the big league team if everyone is healthy.

Fisher goes down most likely. Would be silly to give away Swanson as a DFA. 

Alternatively could DFA Urena... but he does give them a true multi-inning guy that they can abuse in blowouts without worrying. 

[Terminator]

25 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

Fisher goes down most likely. Would be silly to give away Swanson as a DFA. 

Alternatively could DFA Urena... but he does give them a true multi-inning guy that they can abuse in blowouts without worrying. 

Yeah I agree they won't DFA Swanson but we did just DFA Walker who projects better, has an option this year, and is essentially under cheap team control for the rest of his career.

Swanson is a FA at year's end, has zero options, has middling projections, sucked last year and has struggled in his rehab appearances. He should be on a tight leash IMO. 

Sandlin and Turnbull aren't far behind either. Hopefully Yimi has a quick IL stint as well.

This all could shake itself out with more injuries but we have quite the logjam forming. Good problem to have.

[BatFlip]

27 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

Fisher goes down most likely. Would be silly to give away Swanson as a DFA. 

Alternatively could DFA Urena... but he does give them a true multi-inning guy that they can abuse in blowouts without worrying. 

You might be right, but I'd much prefer Fisher stay up right now.

He was looking dominant in Buffalo and I think we get more value seeing if his 25 year old arm can continue to perform. 

This is the first time in a long time that we've actual see some arms emerge from the minor league system and we could be able to reallocate $10M from the bullpen to the field next year.

 

 

[Omar]

On 5/28/2025 at 10:44 AM, Laika said:

If he's actually banged up, just IL him and bring Roden back for another stint. 

Santander playing hurt is actively hurting the team. He contributes nothing right now. 

This roster has too many outfielders as it is. Gimenez is due back. Don't bring anyone up.  Go with what we have. 

[Orgfiller]

1 hour ago, John_Havok said:

Swanson could be activated as soon as tomorrow. 

Gimenez getting rehab games soon.

Burr had a setback with his shoulder and is shut down again.

Sandlin threw bullpen on May 26. Will meet Blue Jays back home to throw off mound one more time before facing hitters and starting a rehab assignment. 

 

 

 

Minor nitpick, Gimenez has actually already started getting into rehab games. He started a game in Dunedin last night.

[Orgfiller]

24 minutes ago, Omar said:

This roster has too many outfielders as it is. Gimenez is due back. Don't bring anyone up.  Go with what we have. 

Gimenez bumps Stefanic out though. We need the Santander spot to not be a total black hole, and if he's playing injured that's certainly adding to the problem.

[Terminator]

I might just keep Stefanic since this spot probably won't play much and him being an infielder balances the roster out a little bit better than having another OF. 

But either way, getting Gimenez back and moving Clement to the bench is going to be a nice boost.

 

[Spanky__99]

2 hours ago, John_Havok said:

Swanson could be activated as soon as tomorrow. 

Gimenez getting rehab games soon.

Burr had a setback with his shoulder and is shut down again.

Sandlin threw bullpen on May 26. Will meet Blue Jays back home to throw off mound one more time before facing hitters and starting a rehab assignment. 

 

 

 

Gimenez played last night, went 1-3 with a double and BB

I thought Swanson was being activated today.

[Terminator]

[Omar]

1 hour ago, Orgfiller said:

Gimenez bumps Stefanic out though. We need the Santander spot to not be a total black hole, and if he's playing injured that's certainly adding to the problem.

Santander' is the black hole though. Clase and Straw would be an upgrade at this point when they're holding a glove and perhaps even a bat. 

[Spanky__99]

45 minutes ago, Omar said:

Santander' is the black hole though. Clase and Straw would be an upgrade at this point when they're holding a glove and perhaps even a bat. 

I think you guys are on the same page, put him on the IL.

[glory]

About time.

[mphenhef]

On 5/29/2025 at 12:09 PM, Orgfiller said:

Top 30 such seasons: https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&month=0&ind=1&startdate=&enddate=&season1=1871&season=2025&pos=c

#	Season	Name	Team	G	PA	HR	R	RBI	SB	BB%	K%	ISO	BABIP	AVG	OBP	SLG	wOBA		wRC+	BsR	Off	Def	WAR
1	2012	Buster Posey	SFG	148	610	24	78	103	1	11.3%	15.7%	.213	.368	.336	.408	.549	.406		164	-4.6	41.8	32.8	9.8
2	1972	Johnny Bench	CIN	147	652	40	87	125	6	15.3%	12.9%	.271	.246	.270	.379	.541	.402		156	-0.8	39.4	20.0	9.2
3	1997	Mike Piazza	LAD	152	633	40	104	124	5	10.9%	12.2%	.277	.363	.362	.431	.638	.452		183	0.6	66.9	5.5	9.1
4	1982	Gary Carter	MON	154	653	29	91	97	2	11.9%	9.8%	.217	.284	.293	.381	.510	.388		150	-1.6	34.9	23.3	8.4
5	2009	Joe Mauer	MIN	138	606	28	94	96	4	12.5%	10.4%	.222	.373	.365	.444	.587	.438		170	-2.1	50.8	11.3	8.3
6	2008	Brian McCann	ATL	145	573	23	68	87	5	9.9%	11.2%	.222	.306	.301	.373	.523	.386		135	-4.8	20.5	44.3	8.3
7	1943	Josh Gibson	HG	69	302	20	93	109	4	17.2%		.402		.466	.560	.867	.639		251	0.4	60.8	3.4	8.1
8	1974	Johnny Bench	CIN	160	708	33	108	129	5	11.3%	12.7%	.227	.281	.280	.363	.507	.387		142	-0.4	33.7	18.4	8.0
9	1970	Johnny Bench	CIN	158	671	45	97	148	5	8.0%	15.2%	.294	.281	.293	.345	.587	.399		144	0.4	37.3	15.8	7.9
10	1953	Roy Campanella	BRO	144	590	41	103	142	4	11.4%	9.8%	.299	.288	.312	.395	.611	.441		154	0.5	42.4	15.6	7.7
11	1886	King Kelly	CHI	118	534	4	155	79	53	15.5%	6.2%	.146	.413	.388	.483	.534	.475		177	3.6	66.3	-1.0	7.6
12	1977	Carlton Fisk	BOS	152	632	26	106	102	7	11.9%	13.4%	.205	.329	.315	.402	.521	.403		143	-0.5	31.9	21.0	7.6
13	1979	Darrell Porter	KCR	157	679	20	101	112	3	17.8%	9.6%	.193	.293	.291	.421	.484	.399		144	-0.7	35.5	15.8	7.5
14	2014	Buster Posey	SFG	147	605	22	72	89	0	7.8%	11.4%	.179	.319	.311	.364	.490	.371		142	-3.5	25.4	24.9	7.5
15	2012	Yadier Molina	STL	138	563	22	65	76	12	8.0%	9.8%	.186	.316	.315	.373	.501	.375		138	-4.8	20.9	33.5	7.5
16	2014	Jonathan Lucroy	MIL	153	655	13	73	69	4	10.1%	10.8%	.164	.324	.301	.373	.465	.368		133	-1.9	22.3	25.7	7.4
17	1993	Mike Piazza	LAD	149	602	35	81	112	3	7.6%	14.3%	.243	.322	.318	.370	.561	.401		150	-0.9	36.3	16.5	7.4
18	2008	Russell Martin	LAD	155	650	13	87	69	18	13.8%	12.8%	.116	.309	.280	.385	.396	.350		112	1.4	11.2	41.1	7.3
19	1992	Darren Daulton	PHI	145	585	27	80	109	11	15.0%	17.6%	.254	.288	.270	.385	.524	.399		156	1.3	37.1	11.2	7.2
20	2013	Yadier Molina	STL	136	541	12	68	80	3	5.5%	10.2%	.158	.338	.319	.359	.477	.362		133	-2.5	17.5	32.5	7.2
21	1984	Gary Carter	MON	159	669	27	75	106	2	9.6%	8.5%	.193	.287	.294	.366	.487	.377		142	-0.4	31.0	14.9	7.1
22	1951	Roy Campanella	BRO	143	562	33	90	108	1	9.4%	9.1%	.265	.311	.325	.393	.590	.440		158	-0.2	40.5	10.6	7.1
23	1968	Bill Freehan	DET	155	635	25	73	84	0	10.2%	10.1%	.191	.258	.263	.366	.454	.375		149	-0.3	30.4	11.9	7.0
24	1993	Chris Hoiles	BAL	126	503	29	80	82	1	13.7%	18.7%	.274	.338	.310	.416	.585	.433		166	-0.1	41.0	12.9	7.0
25	1966	Joe Torre	ATL	148	614	36	83	101	0	9.8%	9.9%	.245	.300	.315	.382	.560	.408		157	-1.2	39.9	1.3	6.9
26	1983	Gary Carter	MON	145	609	17	63	79	1	8.4%	9.4%	.174	.272	.270	.336	.444	.343		117	-0.3	11.3	35.6	6.8
27	1999	Ivan Rodriguez	TEX	144	630	35	116	113	25	3.8%	10.2%	.227	.324	.332	.356	.558	.388		125	-0.4	20.9	28.2	6.8
28	1975	Johnny Bench	CIN	142	606	28	83	110	11	10.7%	17.8%	.236	.303	.283	.359	.519	.387		140	2.3	29.9	14.8	6.8
29	2015	Buster Posey	SFG	150	623	19	74	95	2	9.0%	8.3%	.153	.320	.318	.379	.470	.363		135	-1.7	23.8	20.8	6.8
30	1937	Bill Dickey	NYY	140	608	29	87	133	3	12.0%	3.6%	.238	.307	.332	.417	.570	.442		146	-1.0	40.7	7.2	6.7

Assuming a decent portion of Raleigh's defensive WAR comes from his framing ability I would think this is a hard comparison to do for season's that occurred before Statcast.