General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2025)

[Brownie19]

Atkins gonna send his intern again like the alpha boss he is.  

 

"Show Vladdy the new base running stats and point out he's the sh*tist base runner in baseball.  Tell him we ain't giving into his BS demands" 😎

[Barrelsandbombs]

Kirk and the Blue Jays are settling at $4.6M per Feinsand.

[Chappy]

3 hours ago, Spanky99 said:

Not sure if he will, was told Bo is done, he's walking. With the likelihood of Vlad as well, actually chatting with BC, right now. Hah!

Has Bo ever not been done?  

[Chappy]

2 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

Atkins gonna send his intern again like the alpha boss he is.  

 

"Show Vladdy the new base running stats and point out he's the sh*tist base runner in baseball.  Tell him we ain't giving into his BS demands" 😎

Sad part is Atkins might actually be a boss in a market that can attract talent.  He has signed and traded for some big names but in a real baseball market he probably isn’t ridiculed like he is in Toronto.  

[G-Snarls]

 

 

[BatFlip]

3 minutes ago, G-Snarls said:

 

 

They're overpaying Zach Pop by about $900k.  

[Vancouverite]

4 hours ago, BatFlip said:

They're overpaying Zach Pop by about $900k.  

What about Manoah?

 

2.2M this one i dont get

[saskjayfan]

11 hours ago, max silver said:

You seem to misunderstand that xwOBA is not a measure of the actual result, it's more of a measure of the aspects of offensive output within a players control. Gimenez has managed to outproduce his xwOBA's in 3 of his 5 seasons in MLB. At the same time you seem to be ignoring the fact that he actually underproduced his xwOBA by a fair margin last season, and that by simply seeing this even out he would have been close to a league average bat.

I'm not misunderstanding anything.  He was an 82 OPS+ bat last year.  So he should have been an 88 OPS+ bat.  He has terrible plate disciple, little power and can't lay off the slider.  Decent contact skills which leads to weak contact on sliders away.   Never trust success a player has early in his young career if it's not replicated.  The league has adjusted.  The Jays just think they can overload him with information and his plate discipline will improve and somehow he will suddenly be able to pick up spin.  

I'll gladly post that I'm an idiot if he has a good offensive year.  I feel very convicted in my opinion that he's going to be a 90 OPS+ bat over the next 5 years with good defense.  There's still value in the defense, but the idea that we have a 5 to 6 win player seems ridiculous to me.  2.5 to 3...sure. That's what he is. 

[saskjayfan]

3 hours ago, Vancouverite said:

What about Manoah?

 

2.2M this one i dont get

You though it should have been lower?

[mphenhef]

4 hours ago, Vancouverite said:

What about Manoah?

 

2.2M this one i dont get

He was projected at 3M.  He still has a Cy finalist season contributing to his case keep in mind.

[Sorrow]

10 hours ago, BatFlip said:

They're overpaying Zach Pop by about $900k.  

They're paying him like 140k over league minimum, he knows the team, he's on the roster, the coaches know what he has to work on . His sinker and cutter at basically average pitches per stuff + but his slider is elite. He likely needs to start throwing it a lot more. It's also not a large sum of money if they sign a few players to just release him.

[BatFlip]

46 minutes ago, Sorrow said:

They're paying him like 140k over league minimum, he knows the team, he's on the roster, the coaches know what he has to work on . His sinker and cutter at basically average pitches per stuff + but his slider is elite. He likely needs to start throwing it a lot more. It's also not a large sum of money if they sign a few players to just release him.

It was tongue in cheek.   He's just been awful and I don't think he's on the roster if we have any sort of reasonable depth in the minors.  

But you're right, given what we have, he's worth a flyer with the slider.  

[max silver]

6 hours ago, saskjayfan said:

I'm not misunderstanding anything.  He was an 82 OPS+ bat last year.  So he should have been an 88 OPS+ bat.  He has terrible plate disciple, little power and can't lay off the slider.  Decent contact skills which leads to weak contact on sliders away.   Never trust success a player has early in his young career if it's not replicated.  The league has adjusted.  The Jays just think they can overload him with information and his plate discipline will improve and somehow he will suddenly be able to pick up spin.  

I'll gladly post that I'm an idiot if he has a good offensive year.  I feel very convicted in my opinion that he's going to be a 90 OPS+ bat over the next 5 years with good defense.  There's still value in the defense, but the idea that we have a 5 to 6 win player seems ridiculous to me.  2.5 to 3...sure. That's what he is. 

I think you are placing entirely too much emphasis on a single bad season at the plate. In his 3 years as a full time MLB regular he's produced an elite season at the plate, one where he was basically league average, and one where he really struggled. He's still young enough to be able to make adjustments at the plate so it's far from a given that he won't bounce back to at least a certain degree. People were making exactly the same type of arguments about Varsho after a single bad season at the plate and he bounced back to right around his career norm to once again be a league average bat. 

His previous GM believes that Gimenez can make the necessary adjustments to once again be more successful at the plate. The Blue Jays have made the same types of comments as well so time will tell what the future holds at the plate.

Gimenez is still a useful player if he continues to struggle with the bat somewhat as he's presented a 3 win floor based on his defense alone. If he simply bounces back to league average at the plate the Blue Jays have a 4 win player on their hands. Any more than that and he starts to look more like a star, it's a worthwhile gamble in my view.

[G-Snarls]

No problem with acquiring Gimenez in isolation 

It's just that as it stands we're sitting with Loperfido starting in LF, Clement at 3B and we don't really have a DH.  Need some more offense from somewhere,  and both time and options are quickly running out. 

[Jays24]

9 minutes ago, G-Snarls said:

No problem with acquiring Gimenez in isolation 

It's just that as it stands we're sitting with Loperfido starting in LF, Clement at 3B and we don't really have a DH.  Need some more offense from somewhere,  and both time and options are quickly running out. 

Also don't have a real closer, nor do we have a 5th starter.  MLB free agency sucks man.  

[Spanky__99]

14 hours ago, BatFlip said:

They're overpaying Zach Pop by about $900k.  

Honestly, I'd rather have Danner still in our Org than Pop, hopefully he makes us look dUmN and has some decent regression this season as well.

[Vancouverite]

9 hours ago, saskjayfan said:

You though it should have been lower?

not necessarily in terms of the arb process but, if the Jays cut ties with Romano because he thought he was 1 or 2M overpriced for this upcoming season than why would they be ok in re-investing that money in Manoah?

It's been more than 2 years since the last time he threw any meaningful meanings and the motion of him returning at the end of 2025 season and being a positive contributor to the team seems unlikely.

If he's healthy for 2026 than he'll likely be on an innings limit.

i guess i just don't understand the logic of why you'd DFA Romano because the jays wanted to pay him 2M less than his projection but than you take that 2M and give it to Manoah

[Spanky__99]

6 minutes ago, Vancouverite said:

not necessarily in terms of the arb process but, if the Jays cut ties with Romano because he thought he was 1 or 2M overpriced for this upcoming season than why would they be ok in re-investing that money in Manoah?

It's been more than 2 years since the last time he threw any meaningful meanings and the motion of him returning at the end of 2025 season and being a positive contributor to the team seems unlikely.

If he's healthy for 2026 than he'll likely be on an innings limit.

i guess i just don't understand the logic of why you'd DFA Romano because the jays wanted to pay him 2M less than his projection but than you take that 2M and give it to Manoah

Manoah is under control for several more years and was projected to get 3M in Arbitration, if anything, Manoah did the organization a solid. It's just how arbitration works, you never make less than the year prior, ever.

[max silver]

15 minutes ago, Vancouverite said:

not necessarily in terms of the arb process but, if the Jays cut ties with Romano because he thought he was 1 or 2M overpriced for this upcoming season than why would they be ok in re-investing that money in Manoah?

It's been more than 2 years since the last time he threw any meaningful meanings and the motion of him returning at the end of 2025 season and being a positive contributor to the team seems unlikely.

If he's healthy for 2026 than he'll likely be on an innings limit.

i guess i just don't understand the logic of why you'd DFA Romano because the jays wanted to pay him 2M less than his projection but than you take that 2M and give it to Manoah

Manoah has 3 years of remaining control. He's still potentially a mid rotation if not slightly better arm once he returns to full health. He's far less expensive than Romano at this point as well so it's a pretty easy decision to hang onto him for at least another season. If he comes back from Tommy John a shell of his former self the club can simply choose to move on from him in the offseason so there is very little risk here.

[Abomination]

50 minutes ago, Vancouverite said:

not necessarily in terms of the arb process but, if the Jays cut ties with Romano because he thought he was 1 or 2M overpriced for this upcoming season than why would they be ok in re-investing that money in Manoah?

It's been more than 2 years since the last time he threw any meaningful meanings and the motion of him returning at the end of 2025 season and being a positive contributor to the team seems unlikely.

If he's healthy for 2026 than he'll likely be on an innings limit.

i guess i just don't understand the logic of why you'd DFA Romano because the jays wanted to pay him 2M less than his projection but than you take that 2M and give it to Manoah

With Romero, I think they underestimated the market value of relievers (at least early on). That being said, there's a TON of good quality relievers still on the market, so maybe they actually got it right?

[Barrelsandbombs]

This doesn't deserve it's own thread because it's Moronsi, but this post makes it sound like the Blue Jays and Hoffman might be close to agreeing on a multi year deal.

[max silver]

7 minutes ago, Barrelsandbombs said:

This doesn't deserve it's own thread because it's Moronsi, but this post makes it sound like the Blue Jays and Hoffman might be close to agreeing on a multi year deal.

I wonder if the team would intend to use him out of the rotation as Hoffman was reportedly looking for a rotation spot. He has a nice pitch mix but it remains to be seen how the stuff plays out of the rotation vs out of the pen. 

[BB17]

5 hours ago, G-Snarls said:

No problem with acquiring Gimenez in isolation 

It's just that as it stands we're sitting with Loperfido starting in LF, Clement at 3B and we don't really have a DH.  Need some more offense from somewhere,  and both time and options are quickly running out. 

Not to mention Varsho could miss the first month of the season or more if he has any setbacks in rehab. Also fair to wonder how effective he will be coming back after a major shoulder surgery.

 

Jays really need to add an OF over any other position imo. 

[Jays24]

1 hour ago, Barrelsandbombs said:

This doesn't deserve it's own thread because it's Moronsi, but this post makes it sound like the Blue Jays and Hoffman might be close to agreeing on a multi year deal.

Create the new thread baby... we're in a new world where we need a new thread for every single available free agent lol.

[Eat My Shatkins]

I wonder if there would be any appetite for a Bo for Luis Robert trade?

 

Both had s*** years and looking to bounce back. Both same age, both make roughly the same money. Bo has slightly better projections for next season, but there are two years of team options on Robert's contract.

[L54]

38 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

I wonder if there would be any appetite for a Bo for Luis Robert trade?

 

Both had s*** years and looking to bounce back. Both same age, both make roughly the same money. Bo has slightly better projections for next season, but there are two years of team options on Robert's contract.

There wouldn’t be any interest from the White Sox 

[Spanky__99]

2 hours ago, Barrelsandbombs said:

This doesn't deserve it's own thread because it's Moronsi, but this post makes it sound like the Blue Jays and Hoffman might be close to agreeing on a multi year deal.

Oops... 🤪

[Spanky__99]

C'mon bro, if they move Robert it ain't for Bo.

[Laika]

3 hours ago, Barrelsandbombs said:

This doesn't deserve it's own thread because it's Moronsi, but this post makes it sound like the Blue Jays and Hoffman might be close to agreeing on a multi year deal.

Trollosi was first!

[glory]

I refuse to acknowledge that Trollosi was right about something, Robert Murray had it first. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.