BatFlip Verified Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 We got their No. 29 prospect (According to MLB Pipeline) and they are eating JT's entire salary Great trade Tidy bit of business on that one.
Terminator Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Can't believe the M's are eating his entire remaining salary! They are desperate. This is huge in helping the Jays get under the Luxury Tax Threshold. Will allow them to go over next year at only a 20% tax penalty instead of 50% since it will reset. I have a feeling they ate gonna be going all in next year and will be big spenders in the FA market in the off season. This actually gives me hope. 2025 will be Ross' Last Stand I cannot wait to see what he does with 75 mil AAV worth of FAs as he blows the doors off the payroll in an attempt to turn this team into a wild card contender The playoffs will be easy to make and thankfully so will those luxury tax payments (thanks Dipoto!)
Carlos Danger Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Can't believe the M's are eating his entire remaining salary! They are desperate. This is huge in helping the Jays get under the Luxury Tax Threshold. Will allow them to go over next year at only a 20% tax penalty instead of 50% since it will reset. I have a feeling they ate gonna be going all in next year and will be big spenders in the FA market in the off season. This actually gives me hope. Some might see it as desperation. Others would see it as doing what you have to do so they don't waste an elite pitching staff. The Jays should have done more for the offense last year at the deadline. We saw the results inaction.
max silver Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Some might see it as desperation. Others would see it as doing what you have to do so they don't waste an elite pitching staff. The Jays should have done more for the offense last year at the deadline. We saw the results inaction. Adding a Justin Turner type wouldn't have really made much of a difference though.
Carlos Danger Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Adding a Justin Turner type wouldn't have really made much of a difference though. The Mariners are making a lot more moves in addition though. Point is, lesson learned is, don't waste an elite pitching staff because you can't score runs.
glory Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Wow, can't believe the M's took all of Turner's remaining salary. I thought there was no shot the Jays could get under the tax by just trading the pending FAs but I guess they can now. I hope they still trade Green and IKF, though.
max silver Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 The Mariners are making a lot more moves in addition though. Point is, lesson learned is, don't waste an elite pitching staff because you can't score runs. I don't recall any decent bats moving at all in last year's trade deadline. I do remember discussion that Teoscar was nearly moved but the teams couldn't agree on the cost.
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Some might see it as desperation. Others would see it as doing what you have to do so they don't waste an elite pitching staff. The Jays should have done more for the offense last year at the deadline. We saw the results inaction. Doing what you have to do so you don't waste an elite pitching staff means adding legit bats (not Justin Turner).
Jays24 Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 2025 will be Ross' Last Stand I cannot wait to see what he does with 75 mil AAV worth of FAs as he blows the doors off the payroll in an attempt to turn this team into a wild card contender The playoffs will be easy to make and thankfully so will those luxury tax payments (thanks Dipoto!) If the entire front office and coaching staff are brought back next season, tells you idiotic and clueless Rogers is at this point. Although this shouldn't be that surprising to most.
Carlos Danger Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Doing what you have to do so you don't waste an elite pitching staff means adding legit bats (not Justin Turner). They also added Randy A, this was a move in totality to all the other moves. In addition to that. Turner is 85% better than half the dudes we went into the playoffs with last year. We had Biggio hitting damn 5th.
max silver Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 They also added Randy A, this was a move in totality to all the other moves. In addition to that. Turner is 85% better than half the dudes we went into the playoffs with last year. We had Biggio hitting damn 5th. Who would Turner even replaced on last year's roster? Belt was the team's best hitter and played DH, and Turner wouldn't be taking Vlad's spot at first base either.
metafour Verified Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 They also added Randy A, this was a move in totality to all the other moves. Oh wow, they added Arozarena who is having his worst hitting season ever. You realize that he is a 110 wRC+ hitter this year, right? If they cared as much as you are implying, why didn't they pony up more and trade for Isaac Paredes instead? You know, the far superior Rays hitter who was also available?
Carlos Danger Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Who would Turner even replaced on last year's roster? Belt was the team's best hitter and played DH, and Turner wouldn't be taking Vlad's spot at first base either. My point is that we let an elite staff go to waste last year because we could not score runs. We didn't do anything on that note at the deadline, the Mariners are. Also., in both playoff games, the Mariners brought in a left to to neutralize our LHH. Maybe we could have had Turner PH instead of Espinal or Merrifield, or for Belt if late inning and they bring in a left. Regardless, there is a lesson from last year. I hope the Jays and other teams would have taken note.
Carlos Danger Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Oh wow, they added Arozarena who is having his worst hitting season ever. You realize that he is a 110 wRC+ hitter this year, right? If they cared as much as you are implying, why didn't they pony up more and trade for Isaac Paredes instead? You know, the far superior Rays hitter who was also available? The deadline is not over yet. I heard they were trying hard for Vlad (not that they will get him, but they are trying). They are trying to boost their offense. Both acquisitions have proven to be big time hitters in the playoffs, both with playoff experience. They are trying and sending a message to their team.
glory Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 The Blue Jays official account says it's Turner and "cash considerations". That makes more sense as I can't imagine a team as cheap as the M's usually are taking all of Turner's contract. Obviously I hope the first report is true.
metafour Verified Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 The deadline is not over yet. I heard they were trying hard for Vlad (not that they will get him, but they are trying). They are trying to boost their offense. Both acquisitions have proven to be big time hitters in the playoffs, both with playoff experience. They are trying and sending a message to their team. Sure, their offense is absolute horseshit and their superstar player (J-Rod) is barely hitting above league average. They are "adding", but you are grossly overstating what they have done. The idea that Justin Turner, from the offensive powerhouse Blue Jays (LOL) is going to lead them through the playoffs is comical. If you are looking for scrap players off this 2024 Jays team to improve your team enough to be a threat, then you are beyond desperate. You are making it sound like they are blowing the doors down and "going for it". Like I said, they could have acquired a much better hitter from the Rays, and they didn't do it (even though they obv. have enough prospect capital to have done so).
Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Adding a Justin Turner type wouldn't have really made much of a difference though. Right not like we have seen a zillion trade deadline acquisitions help out teams with a nice playoff run after getting traded… Are you dense?? Adding someone like Turner could have made a massive difference but we will never know because they didn’t really try… Although to be fair they did add DeJong who proceeded to absolutely s*** the bed. But for every DeJong you have an Eddie Rosario
Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Sure, their offense is absolute horseshit and their superstar player (J-Rod) is barely hitting above league average. They are "adding", but you are grossly overstating what they have done. The idea that Justin Turner, from the offensive powerhouse Blue Jays (LOL) is going to lead them through the playoffs is comical. If you are looking for scrap players off this 2024 Jays team to improve your team enough to be a threat, then you are beyond desperate. You are making it sound like they are blowing the doors down and "going for it". Like I said, they could have acquired a much better hitter from the Rays, and they didn't do it (even though they obv. have enough prospect capital to have done so). So… you’re saying you either have to add someone like Vladdy at the deadline and “go for it” or not do anything at all? Middling moves are a waste of time? Dumbo
max silver Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Right not like we have seen a zillion trade deadline acquisitions help out teams with a nice playoff run after getting traded… Are you dense?? Adding someone like Turner could have made a massive difference but we will never know because they didn’t really try… Although to be fair they did add DeJong who proceeded to absolutely s*** the bed. But for every DeJong you have an Eddie Rosario The last thing last year's Blue Jays team needed was a 39 year old DH type in the middle of a mediocre season. Are you going to suggest that adding this year's version of Justin Turner to last year's Blue Jay was a worthwhile move? Are you dense?
Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 The last thing last year's Blue Jays team needed was a 39 year old DH type in the middle of a mediocre season. Are you going to suggest that adding this year's version of Justin Turner to last year's Blue Jay was a worthwhile move? Are you dense? Adding a Justin Turner TYPE. Not exactly Justin Turner. Jesus dude. Mariners added Turner because they have a spot open at 1B. Jays could have added someone at a different position.
Jays24 Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Adding a Justin Turner TYPE. Not exactly Justin Turner. Jesus dude. Mariners added Turner because they have a spot open at 1B. Jays could have added someone at a different position. Why bother talking to him... he literally co-signs everything this front office does blindly.
metafour Verified Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 So… you’re saying you either have to add someone like Vladdy at the deadline and “go for it” or not do anything at all? Middling moves are a waste of time? Dumbo Hey dumbo, I'm responding to someone who is trying to make the argument that the Mariners are making mountain-moving offensive acquisitions in order to "not waste their elite pitching". This is in reference to acquiring Justin f***ing Turner who isn't even close to being the best hitter on a Jays team that hasn't hit for most of the season. This is barely an anything acquisition; no different from the Jays trading for DeJong last season like you correctly mentioned. Wake me up when Dipoto actually acquires a difference maker. THEN you can talk about how he's "not wasting his pitching".
max silver Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Why bother talking to him... he literally co-signs everything this front office does blindly. Shouldn't you be busy finishing the page in your coloring book?
metafour Verified Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Adding a Justin Turner TYPE. Not exactly Justin Turner. Jesus dude. Mariners added Turner because they have a spot open at 1B. Jays could have added someone at a different position. The Jays needed a SS (Bo injury) and added DeJong. The Mariners needed a 1B and added Turner. It is literally the same caliber of trade LOL.
Carlos Danger Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Sure, their offense is absolute horseshit and their superstar player (J-Rod) is barely hitting above league average. They are "adding", but you are grossly overstating what they have done. The idea that Justin Turner, from the offensive powerhouse Blue Jays (LOL) is going to lead them through the playoffs is comical. If you are looking for scrap players off this 2024 Jays team to improve your team enough to be a threat, then you are beyond desperate. You are making it sound like they are blowing the doors down and "going for it". Like I said, they could have acquired a much better hitter from the Rays, and they didn't do it (even though they obv. have enough prospect capital to have done so). Dude, who gives a f*** about wRC+ in the first half of the season. They have added two proven playoff hitting studs and J Rod is not going to stay like that. They also have guys in the system that might be able to help. You are nitpicking one move in a number of moves to improve the ball team. f*** if there was internet people would have probably bittched about Winfield and Carter in 1992.
Jays24 Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Shouldn't you be busy finishing the page in your coloring book? Cant wait to see you join Shatkins to whatever organization they go to. You must have been a great teachers pet in school getting wedgied daily lol
max silver Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Adding a Justin Turner TYPE. Not exactly Justin Turner. Jesus dude. Mariners added Turner because they have a spot open at 1B. Jays could have added someone at a different position. Literally nobody worth a f*** was moved at the deadline last season. Maybe the team could have added Tommy Pham as he was likely the best bat moved but he came with a multitude of character questions and seemed exactly the type the team typically hasn't been interested in as a result.
Jonn Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 I really liked Justin Turner with the Dodgers for obvious reasons. Was hoping it would work out better here but he was 39. He's starting to turn it on of late so maybe he finishes the Season strong. But trading his entire remaining salary was huge. The return doesn't even matter that much. I will gladly take a ranked prospect though. Opens playing time for others and getting under the tax number is very important if we can manage to do it.
John_Havok Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 I really liked Justin Turner with the Dodgers for obvious reasons. Was hoping it would work out better here but he was 39. He's starting to turn it on of late so maybe he finishes the Season strong. But trading his entire remaining salary was huge. The return doesn't even matter that much. I will gladly take a ranked prospect though. Opens playing time for others and getting under the tax number is very important if we can manage to do it. Looks there is some cash going to Seattle. It's been reported a couple of times now since the original. We just don't know how much.
Carlos Danger Old-Timey Member Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Literally nobody worth a f*** was moved at the deadline last season. Maybe the team could have added Tommy Pham as he was likely the best bat moved but he came with a multitude of character questions and seemed exactly the type the team typically hasn't been interested in as a result. Maybe if we had a stronger farm we could have acquired someone of note without mortgaging our future.
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