Positivity Thread

[John_Havok]

This is fine but it doesn't answer my question. As you yourself wrote, "but for some reason". You know what that reason is? I think it has something to do with Atkins selling snake oil. While Springer was looking washed these past months Lukes was on the farm putting up .949 ops. and not getting a sniff. It really doesn't matter what kind of numbers he puts up, he isn't going to get the call. Why, because Atkins knows that other than perhaps DS, Orelvis, and perhaps Tiedemann the farm system is a mirage. That's why he won't have a fire sale at the deadline. He knows the resulting lineup will produce horrendous results. It's a bitter truth.

 

Barger, Horwitz, Clement are not saviours, they're place holders.

 

That's pretty much it. The gap in pitching skill from AAA to the majors is massive right now. The mistakes guys are teeing off on in AAA on a regular basis just don't happen in MLB anywhere close to the same frequency.

 

This belief is exactly why I don't buy Horwitz suddenly finding power without an actual swing overhaul.

 

He's an even more vanilla version of Lyle Overbay lite.

[glory]

This is fine but it doesn't answer my question. As you yourself wrote, "but for some reason". You know what that reason is? I think it has something to do with Atkins selling snake oil. While Springer was looking washed these past months Lukes was on the farm putting up .949 ops. and not getting a sniff. It really doesn't matter what kind of numbers he puts up, he isn't going to get the call. Why, because Atkins knows that other than perhaps DS, Orelvis, and perhaps Tiedemann the farm system is a mirage. That's why he won't have a fire sale at the deadline. He knows the resulting lineup will produce horrendous results. It's a bitter truth.

 

Barger, Horwitz, Clement are not saviours, they're place holders.

 

I don’t think Atkins views the farm system as a mirage as much as he doesn’t want to be in a position where there is a rash of injuries and they have to sign Billy McKinney types to fill holes. In his mind he wants AAA to be well stocked so that if injuries happen they can have prospects fill in. That’s my guess at least. The problem with that is that he chose Turner, KK, IKF, and Vogelbach as his big league signings. Holding prospects back in favor of the most marginal big league talent you can spend $40m on is an issue. I don’t think even Horowitz, Barger, etc, are the answer. They are just better than 39 year old Turner, Vogelbach, etc, and you’re better off giving them a shot hoping one pulls a DS than the alternative. If the prospects fail, and some/most probably will, then no harm done. It’s better than watching an old bad (expensive) team.

 

DS was literally the reason they made the wild card round last year and he didn’t sniff a playoff PA because they loved Biggio too much. Then he began April as a platoon player despite hitting righties better than lefties last season. They actually had a prospect pan out and they did everything they could to marginalize him until they had no choice. Like I said I’m not even sure what the plan is at this point, except that I hope moving forward they just roll with the Buffalo guys.

[Brownie19]

QUOTE=glory;1802581]I don’t think Atkins views the farm system as a mirage as much as he doesn’t want to be in a position where there is a rash of injuries and they have to sign Billy McKinney types to fill holes. In his mind he wants AAA to be well stocked so that if injuries happen they can have prospects fill in. That’s my guess at least. The problem with that is that he chose Turner, KK, IKF, and Vogelbach as his big league signings. Holding prospects back in favor of the most marginal big league talent you can spend $40m on is an issue. I don’t think even Horowitz, Barger, etc, are the answer. They are just better than 39 year old Turner, Vogelbach, etc, and you’re better off giving them a shot hoping one pulls a DS than the alternative. If the prospects fail, and some/most probably will, then no harm done. It’s better than watching an old bad (expensive) team.

 

Agree with all of this 100%

[Stangstag]

I don’t think Atkins views the farm system as a mirage as much as he doesn’t want to be in a position where there is a rash of injuries and they have to sign Billy McKinney types to fill holes. In his mind he wants AAA to be well stocked so that if injuries happen they can have prospects fill in. That’s my guess at least. The problem with that is that he chose Turner, KK, IKF, and Vogelbach as his big league signings. Holding prospects back in favor of the most marginal big league talent you can spend $40m on is an issue. I don’t think even Horowitz, Barger, etc, are the answer. They are just better than 39 year old Turner, Vogelbach, etc, and you’re better off giving them a shot hoping one pulls a DS than the alternative. If the prospects fail, and some/most probably will, then no harm done. It’s better than watching an old bad (expensive) team.

 

DS was literally the reason they made the wild card round last year and he didn’t sniff a playoff PA because they loved Biggio too much. Then he began April as a platoon player despite hitting righties better than lefties last season. They actually had a prospect pan out and they did everything they could to marginalize him until they had no choice. Like I said I’m not even sure what the plan is at this point, except that I hope moving forward they just roll with the Buffalo guys.

 

Really gotta wonder what’s going on with the front office when you see s*** like this. DS is a blessing and he would’ve still been a part-time player if Biggio had played a bit better this year.

[max silver]

I don’t think Atkins views the farm system as a mirage as much as he doesn’t want to be in a position where there is a rash of injuries and they have to sign Billy McKinney types to fill holes. In his mind he wants AAA to be well stocked so that if injuries happen they can have prospects fill in. That’s my guess at least. The problem with that is that he chose Turner, KK, IKF, and Vogelbach as his big league signings. Holding prospects back in favor of the most marginal big league talent you can spend $40m on is an issue. I don’t think even Horowitz, Barger, etc, are the answer. They are just better than 39 year old Turner, Vogelbach, etc, and you’re better off giving them a shot hoping one pulls a DS than the alternative. If the prospects fail, and some/most probably will, then no harm done. It’s better than watching an old bad (expensive) team.

 

DS was literally the reason they made the wild card round last year and he didn’t sniff a playoff PA because they loved Biggio too much. Then he began April as a platoon player despite hitting righties better than lefties last season. They actually had a prospect pan out and they did everything they could to marginalize him until they had no choice. Like I said I’m not even sure what the plan is at this point, except that I hope moving forward they just roll with the Buffalo guys.

 

I don't think it should have been a choice between Biggio and Schneider as Biggio earned his post season spot by being one of the few guys on the team who actually produced some offense in the month of September. It was a choice between Schneider and Merrifield as these guys who were both right handed hitters largely manning the same two positions. Merrifield was literally one of MLB's worst qualified hitters over the last two months of the season and yet the team still left Schneider off of the post season roster.

[Stottlemyres_Bloody_Chin]

Max? Brownie? Spanxxxy?

 

Where's the positive vibes?

 

You guys can't go I to hiding now, it's time to eat some crow

[Krylian]

Getting closer to a new GM being in place. This is great news for the future of this team.

[jaysblue]

Max? Brownie? Spanxxxy?

 

Where's the positive vibes?

 

You guys can't go I to hiding now, it's time to eat some crow

 

Brownie completely went into hiding. He'll only show up and act arrogant when the Jays sweep the White Sox.

 

EatMyShatkins is around, but you can tell he's frustrated.

 

Spanky I think has waved the white flag, but he won't ever hide at least.

 

Max out of that group is at least the most rational and respectful as he's someone you can actually have a discussion with. I don't mind Max at all.

[Spanky99]

Brownie completely went into hiding. He'll only show up and act arrogant when the Jays sweep the White Sox.

 

EatMyShatkins is around, but you can tell he's frustrated.

 

Spanky I think has waved the white flag, but he won't ever hide at least.

 

Max out of that group is at least the most rational and respectful as he's someone you can actually have a discussion with. I don't mind Max at all.

 

Hide from what? lol

[connorp]

It went:

 

Brownie

Eatmy

Max

Spanky

[connorp]

Hide from what? lol

 

Aww.. did your mods come rushing to your defense to ban people? I won’t mock them, as even I stand around that extra minute to hold the door for the disabled people. It’s a natural instinct we have

[Spanky99]

Aww.. did your mods come rushing to your defense to ban people? I won’t mock them, as even I stand around that extra minute to hold the door for the disabled people. It’s a natural instinct we have

 

Wat??? f*** off... Troglodyte.

[Terminator]

Spencer Horwitz looks so damn good.

 

2 bombs, that 12 pitch AB against Clase and then that diving play at 2B. Great game for him.

[Spanky99]

Spencer Horwitz looks so damn good.

 

2 bombs, that 12 pitch AB against Clase and then that diving play at 2B. Great game for him.

 

Very nice early returns, he looked like #12 on that play.

[BatFlip]

Brownie completely went into hiding. He'll only show up and act arrogant when the Jays sweep the White Sox.

 

EatMyShatkins is around, but you can tell he's frustrated.

 

Spanky I think has waved the white flag, but he won't ever hide at least.

 

Max out of that group is at least the most rational and respectful as he's someone you can actually have a discussion with. I don't mind Max at all.

 

 

Why would anyone hide for being positive about their sports team? I think everyone was pretty concerned about the coming season after the Jays' off-season moves. Sometimes that's the way things go, we're all Jays fans and we all want to see these guys win, we just have different opinions from time to time on how we get there.

 

I'll take all those listed guys 10 times out of 10 over those cynical, miserable SOBs who only post when things are going wrong (not just this year, but EVERY year). Those bastards want to constantly s*** on everything and everyone and always have all the answers, but also s*** the bed when given even a simple fantasy league team to run.

 

We're all in this together man, we all want the same thing. Baseball is a game of probabilities and the probabilities are not working out for us this year for a ton of reasons, some could have been reasonably predicted, others couldn't. Maybe we can still make some lemonade out of this sour season and get some fresh eyes over this org.

[Spanky99]

Why would anyone hide for being positive about their sports team? I think everyone was pretty concerned about the coming season after the Jays' off-season moves. Sometimes that's the way things go, we're all Jays fans and we all want to see these guys win, we just have different opinions from time to time on how we get there.

 

I'll take all those listed guys 10 times out of 10 over those cynical, miserable SOBs who only post when things are going wrong (not just this year, but EVERY year). Those bastards want to constantly s*** on everything and everyone and always have all the answers, but also s*** the bed when given even a simple fantasy league team to run.

 

We're all in this together man, we all want the same thing. Baseball is a game of probabilities and the probabilities are not working out for us this year for a ton of reasons, some could have been reasonably predicted, others couldn't. Maybe we can still make some lemonade out of this sour season and get some fresh eyes over this org.

 

These clowns are legit, imbeciles, good post.

[L54]

These clowns are legit, imbeciles, good post.

 

Blow it out your ass, meat. 🙄

[Eat My Shatkins]

I use to follow the Jays and I was just too optimistic on BJMB and had to go into hiding lol

 

Congrats to the doom and gloomers on all the losing the jays are doing lately.

[jaysblue]

Why would anyone hide for being positive about their sports team? I think everyone was pretty concerned about the coming season after the Jays' off-season moves. Sometimes that's the way things go, we're all Jays fans and we all want to see these guys win, we just have different opinions from time to time on how we get there.

 

I'll take all those listed guys 10 times out of 10 over those cynical, miserable SOBs who only post when things are going wrong (not just this year, but EVERY year). Those bastards want to constantly s*** on everything and everyone and always have all the answers, but also s*** the bed when given even a simple fantasy league team to run.

 

We're all in this together man, we all want the same thing. Baseball is a game of probabilities and the probabilities are not working out for us this year for a ton of reasons, some could have been reasonably predicted, others couldn't. Maybe we can still make some lemonade out of this sour season and get some fresh eyes over this org.

 

Nothing wrong in being optimistic. I'm also optimistic as well and like you said we all want the Jays to win a World Series at the end of the day!

 

However, if you ever questioned or criticized Atkins and the FO, some of those guys would go crazy or snap. They were mostly arrogant in any discussion.

[BigCecil]

Why would anyone hide for being positive about their sports team? I think everyone was pretty concerned about the coming season after the Jays' off-season moves. Sometimes that's the way things go, we're all Jays fans and we all want to see these guys win, we just have different opinions from time to time on how we get there.

 

I'll take all those listed guys 10 times out of 10 over those cynical, miserable SOBs who only post when things are going wrong (not just this year, but EVERY year). Those bastards want to constantly s*** on everything and everyone and always have all the answers, but also s*** the bed when given even a simple fantasy league team to run.

 

We're all in this together man, we all want the same thing. Baseball is a game of probabilities and the probabilities are not working out for us this year for a ton of reasons, some could have been reasonably predicted, others couldn't. Maybe we can still make some lemonade out of this sour season and get some fresh eyes over this org.

Honest question. Says you joined Board Sept 2023. What do you mean cynical people posting EVERY year? As for me I started to lose faith a bit on team and front office when we blew the 2021 shot. 2022 ending was rough but 1st wildcard. But 2023 ending and then this off season was my breaking point. All the while underpinned by s***** drafting and development. I can’t remember a time in over 40 years as a fan of this team as I have been this disappointed in the FO. Maybe JPR. Actually I loathed him. But honestly he never had this payroll, and a low bar 3rd wildcard luxury.

[Spanky99]

Positivity folks, Atkins is fired, has to be, lol.

[jaysblue]

Positivity folks, Atkins is fired, has to be, lol.

 

I was willing to give Atkins one more chance but after the atrocious offseason he had and the BS that he constantly spews, I think it's time for a new mind to lead this club.

[BatFlip]

Honest question. Says you joined Board Sept 2023. What do you mean cynical people posting EVERY year? As for me I started to lose faith a bit on team and front office when we blew the 2021 shot. 2022 ending was rough but 1st wildcard. But 2023 ending and then this off season was my breaking point. All the while underpinned by s***** drafting and development. I can’t remember a time in over 40 years as a fan of this team as I have been this disappointed in the FO. Maybe JPR. Actually I loathed him. But honestly he never had this payroll, and a low bar 3rd wildcard luxury.

 

Before I finally joined the board I’d been just reading the board for about 10 years prior. So I’m new to everyone, but most here aren’t new to me.

 

JPR sucked. Atkins has had ample opportunity here to show he could build a sustainable winner and has burned through all his earned goodwill in the last couple years. I am a little concerned that if Atkins gets canned that Shapiro brings in another lackey to run the org the same way. We need to go in a radically different direction from top to bottom.

[Omar]

Honest question. Says you joined Board Sept 2023. What do you mean cynical people posting EVERY year? As for me I started to lose faith a bit on team and front office when we blew the 2021 shot. 2022 ending was rough but 1st wildcard. But 2023 ending and then this off season was my breaking point. All the while underpinned by s***** drafting and development. I can’t remember a time in over 40 years as a fan of this team as I have been this disappointed in the FO. Maybe JPR. Actually I loathed him. But honestly he never had this payroll, and a low bar 3rd wildcard luxury.

 

I can remember after 2022 so many of us on this board not happy with Vladdy's season but we chalked it up to a down year with 2021 fresh in our minds. It was after 2023, as you say, when the reality hit home that maybe Vladdy wasn't who we thought and his MVP calibre year was an anomaly. It's been downhill from there.

 

That said I don't find a lot of posters on here "miserable SOBs". By the same token I don't find the homers overly positive. Most of the guys on here accused of being apologists for the team have s*** on Atkins, Vladdy,etc. multiple times. Myself included. If someone can't see that then it's a comprehension issue.

 

Most of the pessimists in here I accept as Jays fans but just really pissed at the outcome vs their expectations.

Yeah, there are some nutcases on the board but everyone knows who they are and give them a wide berth. Like every other baseball message board.

 

The old you're a homer line doesn't hold water, and to be frank, is getting pretty stale. Everyone on this board wants changes to this Blue Jay org, just that we differ on the strategy.

Edited June 24, 2024 by Omar

[Stangstag]

I was willing to give Atkins one more chance but after the atrocious offseason he had and the BS that he constantly spews, I think it's time for a new mind to lead this club.

 

Still can’t believe he threw JS under the bus for the Berrios decision and got away with it.

 

Media should have absolutely roasted him for that pathetic post-game presser after the knockout game

[WryNGinger]

I can remember after 2022 so many of us on this board not happy with Vladdy's season but we chalked it up to a down year with 2021 fresh in our minds. It was after 2023, as you say, when the reality hit home that maybe Vladdy wasn't who we thought and his MVP calibre year was an anomaly. It's been downhill from there.

 

That said I don't find a lot of posters on here "miserable SOBs". By the same token I don't find the homers overly positive. Most of the guys on here accused of being apologists for the team have s*** on Atkins, Vladdy,etc. multiple times. Myself included. If someone can't see that then it's a comprehension issue.

 

Most of the pessimists in here I accept as Jays fans but just really pissed at the outcome vs their expectations.

Yeah, there are some nutcases on the board but everyone knows who they are and give them a wide berth. Like every other baseball message board.

 

The old you're a homer line doesn't hold water, and to be frank, is getting pretty stale. Everyone on this board wants changes to this Blue Jay org, just that we differ on the strategy.

 

Great post Omar.

[jaysblue]

I can remember after 2022 so many of us on this board not happy with Vladdy's season but we chalked it up to a down year with 2021 fresh in our minds. It was after 2023, as you say, when the reality hit home that maybe Vladdy wasn't who we thought and his MVP calibre year was an anomaly. It's been downhill from there.

 

That said I don't find a lot of posters on here "miserable SOBs". By the same token I don't find the homers overly positive. Most of the guys on here accused of being apologists for the team have s*** on Atkins, Vladdy,etc. multiple times. Myself included. If someone can't see that then it's a comprehension issue.

 

Most of the pessimists in here I accept as Jays fans but just really pissed at the outcome vs their expectations.

Yeah, there are some nutcases on the board but everyone knows who they are and give them a wide berth. Like every other baseball message board.

 

The old you're a homer line doesn't hold water, and to be frank, is getting pretty stale. Everyone on this board wants changes to this Blue Jay org, just that we differ on the strategy.

 

Great post Omar.

 

I am probably viewed as a "miserable SOB" on here by some but I'm not. I want this team to succeed and win a World Series. I wanted Atkins to make moves in the offseason that upgraded the offense. I've praised Atkins on many occasions on the great things he has done during his tenure, while also offering rational criticism on things he should have done or improved on. He's been a mediocre GM - hasn't been the worst, though definitely could have been better. He's failed to take the next step with his teams, and that is clearly evident given the missed opportunities with this roster during the 2021-2024 window.

 

Would like to add that some of the posters on here like Brownie however came across as arrogant and pretty much anytime you criticized Atkins or the FO, he acted as a know-it-all. He was always arrogant and rude, not just to myself but other posters. Also, him and some others still remained in a state of blissful ignorance when it came to this team, not acknowledging any of the issues with this ball club. If you criticized Atkins or asked questions, you were too dumb to ask those questions or to offer any criticism.

[BatFlip]

Great post Omar.

 

I am probably viewed as a "miserable SOB" on here by some but I'm not. I want this team to succeed and win a World Series. I wanted Atkins to make moves in the offseason that upgraded the offense. I've praised Atkins on many occasions on the great things he has done during his tenure, while also offering rational criticism on things he should have done or improved on. He's been a mediocre GM - hasn't been the worst, though definitely could have been better. He's failed to take the next step with his teams, and that is clearly evident given the missed opportunities with this roster during the 2021-2024 window.

 

Would like to add that some of the posters on here like Brownie however came across as arrogant and pretty much anytime you criticized Atkins or the FO, he acted as a know-it-all. He was always arrogant and rude, not just to myself but other posters. Also, him and some others still remained in a state of blissful ignorance when it came to this team, not acknowledging any of the issues with this ball club. If you criticized Atkins or asked questions, you were too dumb to ask those questions or to offer any criticism.

 

 

Hey pal, I actually wasn't referring to you as a miserable SOB. If I recall correctly, you're a fellow whiskey drinker looking for a reason to celebrate something Jays related.

 

Let me clarify there's only a few around here that grind my gears and seem to take joy from things going wrong. The board here as a whole is a great group with great discussion. I have no issue with people poking holes in what Shapiro and Atkins has done here - for the record I was bitching and moaning during the offseason. I thought the Jays needed to bring Teo back and wanted to see Horwitz with some audition time. Sadly, still wouldn't have been enough for this clusterf*ck of a season.

Edited June 24, 2024 by BatFlip

[Laika]

Everything Atkins does either SUCKS or feels like it sucks until you drink the kool-aid and convince yourself that it did not suck. Which, to his credit, sometimes the kool-aid is right.

 

Turner - sucks. no kool-aid.

IKF - feels sucky. but the kool-aid is right.

Varsho trade - feels sucky, trading #1 prospect for .220 hitter, but maybe the kool-aid is right because Moreno is meh.

Teoscar trade - feels sucky, kool-aid tasted okay last year, then Swanson retired to AAA and it doesn't taste as good but wait Adam Macko kool-aid is coming!

Springer - The inverse Atkins. Exciting and feels good at first, but the kool-aid is rancid.

Bassitt trade - feels sucky. innings-eater kool-aid takes the edge off though.

Berrios trade/extension - feels sucky, then kool-aid of innings eating helps, then he gets hammered because he's an SP4 and it feels sucky again

Kikuchi - feels sucky, did suck, then he made his own kool-aid

 

 

One of the only things he has done that just seemed good right away and has been great was the Gausman signing.

 

Everything else is either ick or feels ick at times.

 

Just a bunch of f***ing icks.

[Brownie19]

Is jaysblue still talking about me ad nauseum? I only see some tidbits when he's quoted. What a f***ing creep. You need to let it go man. Just put me on ignore and move on with your life.

 

You've now accused me of "going into hiding" a couple of times this year, when in fact, I'm simply on vacation (the first time I was in Punta Cana). I just returned from a week in Pittsburgh with our U14 team. Cap Classic tournament. Kids got to play on some amazing turf fields, but battled through that f***ing heat wave. It felt like 50 degrees on the turf everyday. Fun city though, took the kids to PNC for their first time and they loved it. Great memories.

 

Taking the team to a tournament in Detroit in a few weeks - mark that in your calendar so you know why I've "disappeared" again psycho.

Edited June 24, 2024 by Brownie19