General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)

[Barrelsandbombs]

All of baseball knows that Votto is washed except for the Toronto Blue Jays apparently. Embarrassing.

 

The part where they were talking about Votto they just said that Votto and the team didn't care about playing against the Reds for the narrative. Davidi said Votto only wants to get called up if his play dictates it. Votto all season has been treating himself like he's a prospect. Probably wants to feel young again.

[Terminator]

Votto just retired

 

We should have called him up for the Reds series to give him one last hurrah and a final sendoff

 

I wonder if luxury tax considerations prevented that

[L54]

Votto just retired

 

We should have called him up for the Reds series to give him one last hurrah and a final sendoff

 

I wonder if luxury tax considerations prevented that

 

Wow

 

It’s too bad he didn’t get a proper send off and wasted away in Buffalo to end his career

[Omar]

Votto just retired

 

We should have called him up for the Reds series to give him one last hurrah and a final sendoff

 

I wonder if luxury tax considerations prevented that

 

I kind of feel bad saying he was washed minutes before he announced his retirement.

 

...well not really.

 

Great career. Next stop Cooperstown Joey.

[L54]

Votto just retired

 

We should have called him up for the Reds series to give him one last hurrah and a final sendoff

 

I wonder if luxury tax considerations prevented that

 

The spring of Daniel Vogelbach may have prevented Joey Votto from dawning the Jays jersey

[Jimcanuck]

Wow

 

It’s too bad he didn’t get a proper send off and wasted away in Buffalo to end his career

 

I'm sure he has no regrets. Body is just broken down.

[L54]

I'm sure he has no regrets. Body is just broken down.

 

He of all people definitely doesn’t care about that. But still deserved of a proper send off in a major league stadium

 

Oh well

[Jimcanuck]

He of all people definitely doesn’t care about that. But still deserved of a proper send off in a major league stadium

 

Oh well

 

Ya. He will sign a 1 day deal with Cincy, not the same obv

[jaysblue]

lol... going overseas worked for him. Maybe Tellez will come back a monster for a year or so!

 

Yeah was really solid when he came back in 2017 and 2019. After 2020 he just disappeared. Shocked another team never gave him a flier afterwards.

[jaysblue]

He of all people definitely doesn’t care about that. But still deserved of a proper send off in a major league stadium

 

Oh well

 

Yeah I think Cincy will sign him to a one-day contract and he'll get a send off down in Cincy. Plus he gets to retire only putting on a Reds uniform for his entire MLB career.

 

Toronto would have been a nice send off since he grew up in Etobicoke, but doesn't make sense calling him up just for one game and having a send off for him. If he was up during the season, for sure this would have been the perfect series to do something for him. Probably more meaningful to Votto if the Reds do it down in Cincy.

[Barrelsandbombs]

Votto just retired

 

We should have called him up for the Reds series to give him one last hurrah and a final sendoff

 

I wonder if luxury tax considerations prevented that

 

It was probably luxury tax considerations like you said. Otherwise calling him up for a sendoff game/series wouldn't have hurt them in any way.

[jaysblue]

From Shi Davidi, seems to confirm that the front office wanted Bassitt to clarify his comments.

 

 

 

Also speaks of the Jays facing some hard truths internally as an organization.

 

 

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/590/blair-barker/little-league-vibes-bos-future-wheres-votto/

 

I mean if Shi Davidi and Blair are even talking about it...

 

Laika only believes what he wants to believe. He wears blinders and thinks he's always right.

[Stangstag]

Do I get some apologies now for saying Votto was a stupid/waste signing and that Vogelbach was the better roster option??

[jaysblue]

It was probably luxury tax considerations like you said. Otherwise calling him up for a sendoff game/series wouldn't have hurt them in any way.

 

Yeah but if I'm Votto, why would I want my last game to be in a Blue Jays uniform when I spent an entire career with the Reds?

[Jimcanuck]

Do I get some apologies now for saying Votto was a stupid/waste signing and that Vogelbach was the better roster option??

 

sorry..

[G-Snarls]

It was probably luxury tax considerations like you said. Otherwise calling him up for a sendoff game/series wouldn't have hurt them in any way.

 

Also game is in Toronto not Cincy or might have been more impetus

[Terminator]

Yeah but if I'm Votto, why would I want my last game to be in a Blue Jays uniform when I spent an entire career with the Reds?

 

His last game was with the Buffalo Bisons

 

The prodigal son returning for one last dance against his former team would have been cooler than that

[Brownie19]

I mean if Shi Davidi and Blair are even talking about it...

 

Laika only believes what he wants to believe. He wears blinders and thinks he's always right.

 

This doesn't say anything. It just confirms that the org asked Bassitt what he meant by those comments (which isn't unexpected) and he provided clarification.

[AMS528]

This doesn't say anything. It just confirms that the org asked Bassitt what he meant by those comments (which isn't unexpected) and he provided clarification.

 

Sure, but I think reading that makes it seem possible that they weren't particularly happy and when that happens you clean up what you say for your employer.

 

I didn't get into it earlier, but I think it's a little weird how no one seems to think there's any chance that's what happened? I feel like that's happened many times across leagues from the NBA/NHL/NFL/MLB. I feel like it happens in the NBA relatively frequently even. Why would it be that unlikely?

[jaysblue]

His last game was with the Buffalo Bisons

 

The prodigal son returning for one last dance against his former team would have been cooler than that

 

Yeah for sure. I think if he was up already with the Jays this season, or if the game was being played in Cincy, definitely would have been fitting. But for him to be called up just for one game with the Jays after spending his entire career with the Reds: if I'm Votto I probably want to be remembered as someone who played only with one team at the MLB Level. That's probably important to him.

 

I see Votto just signing a one-day contract with the Reds and they give him a beautiful send off.

[Brownie19]

Sure, but I think reading that makes it seem possible that they weren't particularly happy and when that happens you clean up what you say for your employer.

 

I didn't get into it earlier, but I think it's a little weird how no one seems to think there's any chance that's what happened? I feel like that's happened many times across leagues from the NBA/NHL/NFL/MLB. I feel like it happens in the NBA relatively frequently even. Why would it be that unlikely?

 

I'm certainly not ruling out that possibility. I just don't think Bassitt is dumb enough to want to go on record to complain about the FO in some clever manner that could be interpreted a couple of different ways. Maybe he is stupid.

 

I think it's perfectly logical for the org to have concerns over what he said, to have spoken with him and hopefully cleared the air about it. There is a possibility that the org demanded or forced him to go on-air and lie about what he really meant - but the probability of that just seems quite low. I guess there's a possibility that he really did mean to rip the org, but after speaking with them, he realized how stupid that was and made his own choice to backtrack spin it another way. There's always a possibility that happened.

 

But I also think there's a high probability that what he meant all along was exactly what he said when he was asked to clarify his comments - because I don't think Bassitt is stupid. Why are some people suggesting there little to no chance that's what happened?

[Olerud363]

I'm certainly not ruling out that possibility. I just don't think Bassitt is dumb enough to want to go on record to complain about the FO in some clever manner that could be interpreted a couple of different ways. Maybe he is stupid.

 

Why is that stupid? Bassitt is a multi-millionaire already. Worst he could do is get himself on the naughty list and never get another job in baseball. More likely worst is he pisses off his current employer and finds himself with a new one. So if he gets happiness from dissing the front office then he is smart, because he is obtaining his goal in life. Not everyone cares about climbing the corporate food chain.

 

I think in general talking smack about your company isn't stupid if you have no long term need for a relationship with the company. In the cases I've disrespected the corporate chain of command, certainly I wasn't long for that one company, but overall it wasn't a stupid move and other companies didn't care.

 

We don't know what Bassitt's end goal is, but if he is dissing his boss it doesn't make him stupid. Framing it that way isn't right. We don't know what Bassitt wants in life. If he gets joy from a different style than you do, he's just a different cat trying to make himself happy by dissing the man. No stupidity there.

[mphenhef]

Do I get some apologies now for saying Votto was a stupid/waste signing and that Vogelbach was the better roster option??

 

no, Vogelbach put up negative WAR in his time with them and clearly wasn't a good roster option regardless of what happened with Votto.

[mphenhef]

I'm certainly not ruling out that possibility. I just don't think Bassitt is dumb enough to want to go on record to complain about the FO in some clever manner that could be interpreted a couple of different ways. Maybe he is stupid.

 

 

 

He apparently hangs out with the gate 14 guys so that's one piece of evidence of stupidity

[Brownie19]

He apparently hangs out with the gate 14 guys so that's one piece of evidence of stupidity

 

Oh my - that does change things. Good info.

[Brownie19]

Why is that stupid? Bassitt is a multi-millionaire already. Worst he could do is get himself on the naughty list and never get another job in baseball. More likely worst is he pisses off his current employer and finds himself with a new one. So if he gets happiness from dissing the front office then he is smart, because he is obtaining his goal in life. Not everyone cares about climbing the corporate food chain.

 

I think in general talking smack about your company isn't stupid if you have no long term need for a relationship with the company. In the cases I've disrespected the corporate chain of command, certainly I wasn't long for that one company, but overall it wasn't a stupid move and other companies didn't care.

 

We don't know what Bassitt's end goal is, but if he is dissing his boss it doesn't make him stupid. Framing it that way isn't right. We don't know what Bassitt wants in life. If he gets joy from a different style than you do, he's just a different cat trying to make himself happy by dissing the man. No stupidity there.

 

If that were the case - he wouldn't have backed down from his statement. Unless he's a spineless beta? So maybe he isn't stupid, but he is a pussy? Yes - that's a possibility.

[Laika]

okay, updated Explanation B

 

Explanation B: Chris Bassitt meant that the front office / organization is "unfixable." The Jays front office asked their media wing to do damage control. The PR team had a sit down with Bassitt and told him he needed to spin this. Bassitt, who is very brave and willing to slam the front office in interviews, suddenly lost his spine and agreed to spin it and throw specific players under the bus. Two media lackeys flew in and did an interview with Bassitt, with the PR team having already vetted the answers. This was then published. Phew - player criticism of the front office successfully swept under the rug (at least, in the eyes of all the sheeple who do not think critically and wear blinders all the time). But it is important to point out that while Zwelling and Davidi are obviously Rogers shills/lackeys, the intrepid and heavy Jeffrey Blair, also a Rogers employee, is for some reason not and he is allowed to put forward any narrative he wants on his programming. Remember, Jeff Blair = gospel, Zwelling and Davidi = corporate shills. Nevermind that they all work for Rogers and that Davidi wrote the article and was interviewed by Blair. Don't think too hard about this. Don't actually read the text of the Blair interview, just let your body react to the tone of it. That's the way. Name your kids Elon and Remington. Never drink tapwater, they put microbots in the Flouride. Chemtrails etc.

[jaysblue]

Bassitt probably wants to be traded to a contender in 2025 if the Jays decide to just keep the status quo in the offseason and only make marginal upgrades. I'm sure he also was upset he never was traded at this years deadline. He definitely had an agenda with that Chris Rose interview.

[The_DH]

Do I get some apologies now for saying Votto was a stupid/waste signing and that Vogelbach was the better roster option??

 

Just because Votto couldn't make it back does not make the Vogelbach signing justifiable in any way shape or form. He was released/waived once for a reason which was the right decision and nothing changed with him.

[Laika]

Votto and Vogelbach really had nothing to do with one another. Neither signing had a real impact in hindsight. Votto never came close to pressing for a roster spot. Vogelbach was cut after like 2 months. Horwitz getting some time in AAA to get comfortable at 2B was probably a good thing?