General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)

[Stangstag]

While I've always been a major supporter of Vlad, I don't trust fat athletes to maintain their weight once they've cashed in their long term deal. If he signs any 10 year deal, there need to be weight restrictions built into the contract like Zion's in the nba.

 

Only then, would I begin negotiations on a long term deal. The Jays need to get on this asap or risk losing him for nothing but a compensatory pick.

 

Would never ever happen in the MLB

[Joltin Joe]

Bo calf injury starting to sound like early days of Josh Donaldson calf injury

[Stangstag]

Bo calf injury starting to sound like early days of Josh Donaldson calf injury

 

Maybe. He still had a few good years in him though

[John_Havok]

Maybe. He still had a few good years in him though

 

Maybe we're missing something with Bo. Did he suddenly go vegan?

[max silver]

Maybe we're missing something with Bo. Did he suddenly go vegan?

 

He reportedly slimmed down and took up yoga in the offseason. It's not like he's suddenly a stickman or something though as he's obviously carrying plenty of muscle on his frame.

[saskjayfan]

Maybe we're missing something with Bo. Did he suddenly go vegan?

 

Bo's got I don't want to be here, I don't give a f***itis. It's incurable. We need to trade him the f*** out of here this deadline if he can get himself healthy.

[max silver]

Bo's got I don't want to be here, I don't give a f***itis. It's incurable. We need to trade him the f*** out of here this deadline if he can get himself healthy.

 

Bo is expected to be out several weeks at minimum and the trade deadline is only like a week away. Seems like the two sides are stuck with each other for the time being.

[Brownie19]

Bo's got I don't want to be here, I don't give a f***itis. It's incurable. We need to trade him the f*** out of here this deadline if he can get himself healthy.

 

Why would Bo do this 1 year before free agency? That's a terrible look for a guy looking to land a mega deal after next year. Jays have no reason to trade him now. They know he'll DEFINITELY give a f*** next year when he has to prove this year was just a blip in the radar.

[Spanky99]

Bo is expected to be out several weeks at minimum and the trade deadline is only like a week away. Seems like the two sides are stuck with each other for the time being.

 

Yeah, he isn't getting moved now. He won't get back in time. I don't understand what these guys are talking about. Did something change in the CBA, injured players can't be traded?

Edited July 23, 2024 by Spanky99

[The Cats Ass]

Yeah, he isn't getting moved now. He won't get back in time. I don't understand what these guys are talking about. Did something change in the CBA, injured players can't be traded?

 

They can still be traded. You could for quite a while. Possibly always?

[John_Havok]

They can still be traded. You could for quite a while. Possibly always?

 

Yeah injured guys can be traded.

[Brownie19]

Yeah injured guys can be traded.

 

That's true, but it seems highly doubtful that anyone is going to pay the added value to get Bo for this playoff run when they have no idea when he'll be healed or any indication he'll be able to stay healthy and/or perform as he's capable. I'm pretty convinced that we want to keep Bo or next year. He'll have all the incentive in the world to ball out and have a great season as he approaches free agency. Provided he still can and does play like the all-star he's been in the past, I have to think his value will be higher at this time next year than it is right now. There is a possibility teams will 100% believe in his talent and will pay full pop this offseason - or not.

[Brownie19]

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[G-Snarls]

Bo is expected to be out several weeks at minimum and the trade deadline is only like a week away. Seems like the two sides are stuck with each other for the time being.

 

Yeah

 

All you can hope for now is a good couple months before the year is over then you trade him this off season

[John_Havok]

Yeah

 

All you can hope for now is a good couple months before the year is over then you trade him this off season

 

I can definitely see the argument for the offseason move, but I can also see the argument for holding on and trying for a competitive 2025 in what would be, in all likelihood, his final season with the Jays.

 

His highest value at this point would only be there if he comes back from injury and lights the world on fire for the remainder of August and September. but if he does that, that's also why the Jays would want to keep him for 2025 and take one last shot. If they're out of it they can move him at the deadline. But of course, doing that runs the risk of a repeat of 2024.. what if Bo continues to suck? Is Bo overly moveable for anything worthwhile even in the offseason if he just stinks for the rest of 2024?

 

At this point, I don't really see a happy ending for the Jays in this scenario, unless he both plays great for the rest of 2024 and all of 2025 and the Jays win the division. I'm not sure I want to calculate the odds of that happening though.

[BTS]

I can't believe we're talking about this team talking a shot at winning in 2025. What pieces are even in place?

 

C - Kirk

1B - Vlad

2B/1B - Horwitz

3B/2B/S - Kiner-Falefa

SS - Bichette

LF/2B - Schneider

CF - Varsho

RF - Springer

DH -

Util - Clement

 

SP - Gausman

SP - Bassitt

SP - Berrios

SP - Rodriguez

SP -

 

Basically 0 good pen arms.

 

This team sucks. There just aren't enough MLB pieces. Fire Atkins and then retool.

[BTS]

Vlad has a 138 wRC+. He's been healthy, playing to projections, and isn't really underperforming his x stats. All of that and he's on pace for 3 WAR because he's already a massive liability at 1B and on the bases.

 

If the team has a chance to get impact players for him now they absolutely should. Don't walk him to free agency. And don't be the team that gives a 3-WAR 1B 250M or whatever. Dude is built like Bert Kreischer and isn't going too get more athletic into his late 20s.

[John_Havok]

I can't believe we're talking about this team talking a shot at winning in 2025. What pieces are even in place?

 

C - Kirk

1B - Vlad

2B/1B - Horwitz

3B/2B/S - Kiner-Falefa

SS - Bichette

LF/2B - Schneider

CF - Varsho

RF - Springer

DH -

Util - Clement

 

SP - Gausman

SP - Bassitt

SP - Berrios

SP - Rodriguez

SP -

 

Basically 0 good pen arms.

 

This team sucks. There just aren't enough MLB pieces. Fire Atkins and then retool.

 

Sign one of Soto or Bregman, sign Burnes, Romano is still here. Pen can be a crapshoot but could also bounce right back in short order with better health and a key addition or two. bottom half of the pen is already here. Bench can be retooled easily enough. Gausman is better next season, maybe not an ace, but he's likely not this bad again. I'd be more worried about Bassitt falling off a cliff. Berrios, even if he's this years version is okay. Not ideal given his price tag, but okay. Yariel takes the 5 spot, Manoah comes back in the second half as a bonus.

 

Much still depends on Bo, Vlad, Springer having actual good to great seasons at the same time. Top 4 of Springer, Soto/Bregman, Vlad and Bo is nothing to be messed with if theyre all actually performing at the same time.

 

Question marks remain of course on whether Horwitz remains viable as a starter at 2b. IKF is here, could easily take a step back with the bat from this season but the glove and versatility is fine. I think we know what Clement and Schneider already are, not quite starters, but not pure bench guys. Vartsho is fine as the starting CF.

 

The C spot and the backup CF spot are the main concerns for the hitters imo. I have no idea what to expect from Kirk as a FT starter, he might actually die from the workload. Sure he'd be fine defensively, but his offense is probably not coming back to where it was. backup CF shouldnt be hard to find for cheap.

[Laika]

I can't believe we're talking about this team talking a shot at winning in 2025. What pieces are even in place?

 

C - Kirk

1B - Vlad

2B/1B - Horwitz

3B/2B/S - Kiner-Falefa

SS - Bichette

LF/2B - Schneider

CF - Varsho

RF - Springer

DH -

Util - Clement

 

SP - Gausman

SP - Bassitt

SP - Berrios

SP - Rodriguez

SP -

 

Basically 0 good pen arms.

 

This team sucks. There just aren't enough MLB pieces. Fire Atkins and then retool.

 

Yeah it's bleak

 

They could put together a roster that projects for a WC spot if they make some big FA moves but even then it's going to be a bit of a studs & duds roster that relies too much on guys like Horwitz, Schneider, and Yariel Rodriguez.

 

Even if they sign f***ing Soto, Bregman, Flaherty, and Ryan Pressly or something like that that would still be:

 

- a rotation that is hoping for bounce backs from Gausman and Berrios, relying on Y Rod, and relying on a very old Bassitt

- a lineup that is relying on a bad defensive SS with an injury history coming off a nightmare season, underwhelming IKF at 2B, Varsho in CF who cannot hit, Kirk at C who cannot hit, Springer the old man in RF, and then DH that is a Horwitz/Schneider platoon or something that is just okay.

- a bullpen that has f***ing nobody you can have confidence in. Just a few okay pieces at the backend but Romano might be f***ed, Pearson who knows, Green doesn't seem great anymore unfortunately.

 

 

As the season goes on and on and the team continues to play like total dogshit their chances in 2025 just seem worse and worse. That should be obvious of course. If the team was actually good, fundamentally, despite the poor performance and run differential so far, they probably would have started playing better already!

 

They don't need to do a 5 year rebuild but they probably should unload Vlad, Bo and anybody making big money and use 2025 to just see what they have with this assortment of younger roster players. Maybe Leo Jimenez is a 3 WAR SS. Maybe Spencer Horwitz is actually a stud bat. Maybe maybe maybe.

[Spanky99]

They can still be traded. You could for quite a while. Possibly always?

 

I don't think so, only with Commissioners consent which I'm sure will fall back on the player being good with it, it rarely happens as value's at an all time low, wouldn't be a smart move.

[Brownie19]

Vlad has a 138 wRC+. He's been healthy, playing to projections, and isn't really underperforming his x stats. All of that and he's on pace for 3 WAR because he's already a massive liability at 1B and on the bases.

 

If the team has a chance to get impact players for him now they absolutely should. Don't walk him to free agency. And don't be the team that gives a 3-WAR 1B 250M or whatever. Dude is built like Bert Kreischer and isn't going too get more athletic into his late 20s.

 

I think I agree with this. I think I'd cash in on Vlad now. That would be extremely unpopular with fans and likely Ownership, but short and long term, that's probably the best thing to do. It's encouraging to see how he's hit the last few months, but I'm not convinced he'll ever be that 150-160 wRC+ star player we hoped for. Interesting to see how they handle this. Wouldn't look great to trade him right after he's been so vocal about wanting to play in Toronto....but sometimes you have to make those hard decisions.

[Brownie19]

I can't believe we're talking about this team talking a shot at winning in 2025. What pieces are even in place?

 

C - Kirk

1B - Vlad

2B/1B - Horwitz

3B/2B/S - Kiner-Falefa

SS - Bichette

LF/2B - Schneider

CF - Varsho

RF - Springer

DH -

Util - Clement

 

SP - Gausman

SP - Bassitt

SP - Berrios

SP - Rodriguez

SP -

 

Basically 0 good pen arms.

 

This team sucks. There just aren't enough MLB pieces. Fire Atkins and then retool.

 

Just sign Teo to play LF and Pederson or JDM for our DH. Wasn't out season sewered because Atkins signed KK and Turner instead of them?

 

Sign a replacement for Kikucci and Garcia and boom, we're contenders!

[L54]

Just sign Teo to play LF and Pederson or JDM for our DH. Wasn't out season sewered because Atkins signed KK and Turner instead of them?

 

Sign a replacement for Kikucci and Garcia and boom, we're contenders!

 

Mods

[BTS]

Just sign Teo to play LF and Pederson or JDM for our DH. Wasn't out season sewered because Atkins signed KK and Turner instead of them?

 

Sign a replacement for Kikucci and Garcia and boom, we're contenders!

 

Yeah, L54 is right - this is basically what I've asked jaysblue to stop doing (which he's done).

[L54]

Yeah, L54 is right - this is basically what I've asked jaysblue to stop doing (which he's done).

 

It’s the Spider Man meme

[Carlos Danger]

I think I agree with this. I think I'd cash in on Vlad now. That would be extremely unpopular with fans and likely Ownership, but short and long term, that's probably the best thing to do. It's encouraging to see how he's hit the last few months, but I'm not convinced he'll ever be that 150-160 wRC+ star player we hoped for. Interesting to see how they handle this. Wouldn't look great to trade him right after he's been so vocal about wanting to play in Toronto....but sometimes you have to make those hard decisions.

 

Hey, we agree on something!

[John_Havok]

Hey, we agree on something!

 

Im gonna go buy a lottery ticket.

 

You and Brownie agree.... a mod says "Yeah, L54 is right...."

 

WTF is next?

[Olerud363]

How many HRs for Judge in the steriods / juiced ball era?

 

62 if he went on steroids. It was a steroid era, not a juiced ball era as far as I know. Old Joe Carter didn't get a boost. Poor John Olerud didn't get a boost. I think if the ball was juiced you'd see everyone get a boost. Everyone on Steroids got a boost which was a lot.

 

I think Judge is ahead of the game on conditioning, game prep, nutrition. I think his numbers would be similar in 1998 if he got to the head of the class on "conditioning". I think whatever Judge is doing now is legal (I think) and wasn't known in 1998.

 

I'm not implying he is on steroids. In 2024 if you eat really well, go alcohol free, sleep really well, take every legal supplement known to man, go to a good sports psychologist, get a great trainer, get a great bio-mechanics guy, dedicate yourself to be your best...

[glory]

 

Passan is spot on here, as many of us have been saying. Unfortunately what he suggests is not happening with the ownership and front office in place. The fact that fans and media can see it but the Jays can’t is baffling.

[Terminator]

I can't believe we're talking about this team talking a shot at winning in 2025. What pieces are even in place?

 

C - Kirk

1B - Vlad

2B/1B - Horwitz

3B/2B/S - Kiner-Falefa

SS - Bichette

LF/2B - Schneider

CF - Varsho

RF - Springer

DH -

Util - Clement

 

SP - Gausman

SP - Bassitt

SP - Berrios

SP - Rodriguez

SP -

 

Basically 0 good pen arms.

 

This team sucks. There just aren't enough MLB pieces. Fire Atkins and then retool.

 

If Rogers keeps payroll around 225 mil then I think the Wild Card would be easy to make with that team + the trade deadline additions + the offseason additions.

 

This is the sad part though- The players shown take up about 160-165 mil. 170-175 with Romano and Pearson. You would need a big offseason of 50+ mil added in FA and trades to become Wild Card contenders. Yikes.