General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)

[Angrioter]

Nice Manoah

[Jays24]

Sid Seixeiro's hot take...

 

 

But how can a manager lose a fanbase when he has ALL that information. Doesn't that mean he's always right? Lol

 

And is it a coincidence that back to back managers have the same flaws. Clearly you need to be a "yes man" to work for the Jays. This is on the front office, not their puppet.

[Jays24]

He's out now

 

5.2 IP and 92 pitches, 61 strikes, 5 K's and 0 walks

 

I did not anticipate Manoah coming back to the MLB roster any time soon, but I may have been wrong.

 

That's awesome but does he even have a spot in the rotation anymore?

 

He becomes our 1st starter in case of an injury but wouldn't crack the top 5 even if he's ready to go by his standards anymore.

[Terminator]

Cy Manoah is back

[Spanky99]

well some on here are always talking about "stuff" (whatever that is), I just look at results because eventually that's all that matters

 

 

Yeah, he was good, hopefully this blossoms into turning the ship around.

[Eat My Shatkins]

That's awesome but does he even have a spot in the rotation anymore? He becomes our 1st starter in case of an injury but wouldn't crack the top 5 even if he's ready to go by his standards anymore.

 

Depends how Yariel looks I suppose.

 

Hopefully having too many SP's for a 5 man rotation is a problem the Jays have to solve somehow.

[Spanky99]

But how can a manager lose a fanbase when he has ALL that information. Doesn't that mean he's always right? Lol

 

And is it a coincidence that back to back managers have the same flaws. Clearly you need to be a "yes man" to work for the Jays. This is on the front office, not their puppet.

 

[saskjayfan]

Yeah, he was good, hopefully this blossoms into turning the ship around.

 

That backfoot slider makes you go hmm....I remember that pitch from a couple years ago. Our rotation depth is looking a lot better now.

[Spanky99]

That backfoot slider makes you go hmm....I remember that pitch from a couple years ago. Our rotation depth is looking a lot better now.

 

We'll see, he has to do this consistently in Buffalo until he forces himself up, or an injury comes up.

[The_DH]

Hopefully he produces a couple of good starts. He has something to prove. A lot of talk about Orelvis coming up. Don't think he's ready yet, already 5 errors I believe.

[saskjayfan]

That backfoot slider makes you go hmm....I remember that pitch from a couple years ago. Our rotation depth is looking a lot better now.

 

His night didn't go 100% smoothly..lol

 

[Stangstag]

That's awesome but does he even have a spot in the rotation anymore?

 

He becomes our 1st starter in case of an injury but wouldn't crack the top 5 even if he's ready to go by his standards anymore.

 

Yariel is on an innings limit, so even if he pitches like a cy young candidate he probably won’t see more than about 100 innings.

 

We’ll definitely need Manoah at some point, especially if Tiedemann misses extended time now too.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Yariel is on an innings limit, so even if he pitches like a cy young candidate he probably won’t see more than about 100 innings.

 

We’ll definitely need Manoah at some point, especially if Tiedemann misses extended time now too.

 

Yeah good point.

 

Boy does it suck that Parsons, White, Espino all flamed out so quickly. And now Ricky in question.....

 

The depth is dwindling fast, what a bonus it would be if Manoah was a viable option again.

[Daniel Labude]

What's truly concerning is Bo has the highest GB% of his career and the lowest EV of his career and we have s*** bag one and s*** bag two as hitting coaches lol

[Terminator]

Yariel's projections are looking pretty damn good.

 

Steamer projects him to throw 99 innings rest of season with a 3.50 ERA.

[Spanky99]

What's truly concerning is Bo has the highest GB% of his career and the lowest EV of his career and we have s*** bag one and s*** bag two as hitting coaches lol

 

[Masterbather]

Yeah good point.

 

Boy does it suck that Parsons, White, Espino all flamed out so quickly. And now Ricky in question.....

 

The depth is dwindling fast, what a bonus it would be if Manoah was a viable option again.

 

It's almost as if the Blue Jays should have got out and acquired some PROVEN pitching depth since they clearly can't develop it. But who expects a GM to ever think about such trivial things?

[max silver]

It's almost as if the Blue Jays should have got out and acquired some PROVEN pitching depth since they clearly can't develop it. But who expects a GM to ever think about such trivial things?

 

What the f*** is "proven" pitching depth even supposed to mean? Do you think that proven MLB starters are lining up to throw innings in AAA or something? On top of that it seems as though "unproven" pitching depth option Yariel Rodriguez is showing to be an absolute home run signing so far.

[Masterbather]

What the f*** is "proven" pitching depth even supposed to mean? Do you think that proven MLB starters are lining up to throw innings in AAA or something? On top of that it seems as though "unproven" pitching depth option Yariel Rodriguez is showing to be an absolute home run signing so far.

I don't know how do teams like the Yankees and the Astros and the Rays etc manage to find multiple arms when they have injury issues and we can't?

 

We came into the season knowing full well Alek might not be an option right? He sucked last year, there was no guarantee he wasn't going to suck this year. We lost Ryu right? So we really didn't know for sure what we were going to do with our fifth starter. For now, Yariel is working, through two starts, we'll see, might be a banger of a signing, and if it is full credit, but even if he's a good fifth guy, he apparently has an innings limit. So we still don't even have a long-term plan for our fifth starter let alone any depth beyond that. Other teams either develop that depth or they get veteran pieces that they know can fill in and give them some decent outings if they need them.

 

I will give them FULL credit if Yariel ends up being a good pitcher, great, but it still doesn't address the depth issue. We still don't have a long-term plan for fifth starter, and we have no good options for any depth beyond that. Our only real plan seems to be hope that Alek can be good again or hope that one of our mediocre journeyman can fill in. I was hoping for something a little more than that.

[max silver]

I don't know how do teams like the Yankees and the Astros and the Rays etc manage to find multiple arms when they have injury issues and we can't?

 

We came into the season knowing full well Alek might not be an option right? He sucked last year, there was no guarantee he wasn't going to suck this year. We lost Ryu right? So we really didn't know for sure what we were going to do with our fifth starter. For now, Yariel is working, through two starts, we'll see, might be a banger of a signing, and if it is full credit, but even if he's a good fifth guy, he apparently has an innings limit. So we still don't even have a long-term plan for our fifth starter let alone any depth beyond that. Other teams either develop that depth or they get veteran pieces that they know can fill in and give them some decent outings if they need them.

 

I will give them FULL credit if Yariel ends up being a good pitcher, great, but it still doesn't address the depth issue. We still don't have a long-term plan for fifth starter, and we have no good options for any depth beyond that. Our only real plan seems to be hope that Alek can be good again or hope that one of our mediocre journeyman can fill in. I was hoping for something a little more than that.

 

To start with the Astros, Yankees and Rays have needed a lot more depth to start with as they've suffered a massive amount of injuries compared to the Blue Jays pitching staff over the last few seasons. Those teams have largely been able to develop their own pitching depth as they have had more success in developing their own rotation members which is an area where the Blue Jays have struggled. It's not as though the current front office has never been able to acquire useful depth as they acquired Ross Stripling a few seasons ago and turned him into a full fledged member of the rotation, and it appears as though Rodriguez may be an even more successful acquisition this season. They had a bit of trouble last season early on as Alek struggled, but then Ryu essentially acted as a depth starter late in the season after returning from Tommy John surgery.

 

It appears to me as though the plan was to allow Alek to battle for the 5th starter spot in the spring, and due to the shoulder issue he wasn't able to make the squad. I'm somewhat encouraged by his last few starts as he's only walked 1 hitter in his last 9 innings spanning two starts so the strike throwing ability appears to be returning. His velocity has also nearly returned to the levels seen in his 2022 season as well so hopefully these are signs of good things to come. I think far too many are writing him off completely while using a few tough rehab starts as a final nail in the coffin instead of allowing the process to continue and for Alek to build up towards a potential MLB return. I hope the team doesn't rush him back like they did last season as it appears as though a combination of Rodriguez and Francis should be able to hold down the fort until an eventual return if he makes it back.

[Omar]

His night didn't go 100% smoothly..lol

 

 

Lol. Gotta pay attention to your catcher.

[Laika]

Why would anyone even complain about the Jays pitching depth right now?

 

The historically healthy SPs 1-4 are all still making starts, Y Rod looks legit, Francis does not look like a lost cause, they have a former Cy Young finalist in AAA as a depth option (lol)...

 

Classic masterbutthurt

 

Do not see how anyone could prefer the Yankees current depth chart. They have a reliever in their rotation presently with 9.00 bb/9, two 91mph poo slingers, and an expensive replacement level lost cause in Rodon. You basically need to know Gerrit Cole is healthy and absolutely love Will Warren to prefer their depth??? weird

Edited April 20, 2024 by Laika

[Eat My Shatkins]

The Jays haven't been great at developing their own pitching (yet) and hopefully it improves, but they do a remarkable job of squeezing blood from stones they dig out of the scrap heap.

 

Ross Stripling?

Robbie Ray?

Steven Matz?

 

They even pulled Rafael Dolis our of their asses and turned him into 0.7 fWAR over two seasons. The guy hadn't pitched in MLB for like 8 years when they brought him in lol

 

And the staff right now isn't homegrown, but it's one of the best in baseball again it looks like.

[Daniel Labude]

Jays rank

 

Sweet Spot%: 26th

Average EV: 29th

Hard Hit%: 27th

Barrels: 29th

Barrels/PA: 30th

 

Who needs offense lmao

[Omar]

Jays rank

 

Sweet Spot%: 26th

Average EV: 29th

Hard Hit%: 27th

Barrels: 29th

Barrels/PA: 30th

 

Who needs offense lmao

 

The above speak more to the TYPE of hitters and less so to the efficacy of the offense. Have to be careful drawing conclusions from this.

[Daniel Labude]

The above speak more to the TYPE of hitters and less so to the efficacy of the offense. Have to be careful drawing conclusions from this.

 

I disagree, the drop off in runs has been directly correlated with their approach driven change to less Ks, more contact, more pitches seen and they are starting it young. Doesn't mean you won't have power and runs in the future, but they traded the power off the MLB team and focused on contact and the runs dropped with the dissapearing power

 

 

 

[Omar]

I disagree, the drop off in runs has been directly correlated with their approach driven change to less Ks, more contact, more pitches seen and they are starting it young. Doesn't mean you won't have power and runs in the future, but they traded the power off the MLB team and focused on contact and the runs dropped with the dissapearing power

 

 

I don't get why you posted whiff vs SO for the milb in regards to the current Jays lineup and how it correlates to your initial post. Are you saying that the approach is systemic throughout the system? If so I don't disagree but what I'm pointing out is that having (as a team) higher EVs and barrels doesn't immediately mean your offense is better. The difference is subtle but it's there.

[Orgfiller]

I disagree, the drop off in runs has been directly correlated with their approach driven change to less Ks, more contact, more pitches seen and they are starting it young. Doesn't mean you won't have power and runs in the future, but they traded the power off the MLB team and focused on contact and the runs dropped with the dissapearing power

 

 

 

 

What a weird plot. Let's just plot out two highly correlated stats on different axes, that'll tell us a lot. Why not plot out like, whiff rate vs runs scored or ISO. This chart just tells you which systems put the ball in play a lot, but tells you nothing else about them.

[Daniel Labude]

What a weird plot. Let's just plot out two highly correlated stats on different axes, that'll tell us a lot. Why not plot out like, whiff rate vs runs scored or ISO. This chart just tells you which systems put the ball in play a lot, but tells you nothing else about them.

 

Its just part of the story for sure

[Jays24]

Do people really need 1000 different statistics for them to understand the Jays offense is weak? I'd understand if you weren't watching the games but practically everyone here watches them.

 

This team is built on strong starting pitching, bullpen and defense. The comprise is that we got a weak ass offense. If we didn't then we'd be the best team in the majors. Really not hard to understand lol.