Former Blue Jays Thread

[metafour]

I'm so done with Danny Jansen. Stop trying to make Jansen happen, its over.

[max silver]

Jansen gets a hard pass from me.

 

Kirk is miles better and an expensive backup C is a luxury this team cannot afford when we have so many holes to fill this offseason.

 

It all comes down to the cost for me. Kirk has been performing admirably since the Jansen trade and he's been playing a ton, but I really liked Kirk and Jansen and Kirk as a 1A/1B catching tandem over the last few seasons. I think Jansen has cost himself a lot of money in free agency with the terrible season. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if it comes out after the season that he was playing through some sort of injury for much of the year given how badly he's declined offensively and defensively this season.

[Jonn]

I don't understand why people think Jansen will be expensive. He's having his worst Season in 4 years. His OPS is currently .653 for the season and he doesn't bring anything defensively that is notable so if were passing on him its we want a better Catcher not because hes expensive lol.

[Sorrow]

If Jansen was hitting like he had from May 2021 end of 2023 I'd want him back but he's not a good defender and if he's not an elite bat for a C he's not worth rostering.

[Terminator]

I don't understand why people think Jansen will be expensive. He's having his worst Season in 4 years. His OPS is currently .653 for the season and he doesn't bring anything defensively that is notable so if were passing on him its we want a better Catcher not because hes expensive lol.

 

Despite his poor season, he's starting caliber quality and will get paid accordingly. There is no way in hell we bring in someone even better, and more expensive, than Jansen to form a catching tandem with Kirk. It'd be the dumbest waste of money.

[jaysblue]

Despite his poor season, he's starting caliber quality and will get paid accordingly. There is no way in hell we bring in someone even better, and more expensive, than Jansen to form a catching tandem with Kirk. It'd be the dumbest waste of money.

 

Any FA catcher comparable's over the last couple of years? Yeah if Jansen is too expensive, hard pass. But if he could be brought back at a discounted rate on a one-year deal, you solve your backup catching situation and add a bat who could also part-time DH.

[jaysblue]

It's hilarious how a couple of months ago, this board was in favour of handing Dany Jansen a contract extension similar to Sean Murphy's contract with the Braves. Now they don't even want to sign him back at a discounted price lol.

[jaysblue]

Yeah - I'd agree with that, assuming he's going to get $8M+ this offseason.

 

I don't see him getting more than $7 to $8M but what do I know. Travis d'Arnaud who was kind of in a similar boat last offseason and signed a 1 year/$8M deal to be the Braves backup and that was after a 2023 season in which he hit .225/.288/.397 with a 83 wRC+ and 0.7 WAR. Only difference is d'Arnaud is older.

[glory]

Yeah I thought the Jays should have extended Jansen, but turns out they were smart not to. Would it surprise me if he bounced back with the bat next season? Not at all, so if his market is non existent and he's willing to sign a cheap short term year deal, then go for it. If it's something larger than that, then not sure the Jays can afford to allocate that much to a backup/split catcher when they have a bunch of other needs and a one year window. A trade for a controllable catcher that is blocked on another team would be ideal since Kirk only has 2 years of control left and I can't name a catcher in the Jays system off the top of my head, so it doesn't look like help is on the way any time soon.

[Terminator]

Any FA catcher comparable's over the last couple of years? Yeah if Jansen is too expensive, hard pass. But if he could be brought back at a discounted rate on a one-year deal, you solve your backup catching situation and add a bat who could also part-time DH.

 

Christian Vazquez was probably a little worse player and he got 3 years for 30 million.

 

But I honestly don't really care what Jansen costs because someone will pay him starter money and that's too much for me.

 

He's not good enough to DH and I want him nowhere near that role and he's also a lesser player than the Catcher we already have.

 

Yeah a stud backup would be nice because Kirk is fat so if this were a complete team looking to throw a cherry on top of the sundae I'd be for it. But this is a team who has almost zero reliable relievers heading into next year. I'd rather take the money and use it to sign a reliever rather than a good backup player.

[John_Havok]

It's hilarious how a couple of months ago, this board was in favour of handing Dany Jansen a contract extension similar to Sean Murphy's contract with the Braves. Now they don't even want to sign him back at a discounted price lol.

 

Catchers man. Unless they're Buster Posey-esque the smart money is always on letting them walk.

 

Even Adley has taken a step back this season with the bat ( for him, still well above average for a catcher) and he'll be 27 next year.

[Jonn]

Despite his poor season, he's starting caliber quality and will get paid accordingly. There is no way in hell we bring in someone even better, and more expensive, than Jansen to form a catching tandem with Kirk. It'd be the dumbest waste of money.

 

I just don't see it personally. I don't think any team is signing Jansen to be their starting catcher with both his injury history and coming off one of his worst statistical season.

 

He will come at a fairly discounted price but I would imagine he would go somewhere he will play more rather than being a tandem again with Kirk.

[John_Havok]

I just don't see it personally. I don't think any team is signing Jansen to be their starting catcher with both his injury history and coming off one of his worst statistical season.

 

He will come at a fairly discounted price but I would imagine he would go somewhere he will play more rather than being a tandem again with Kirk.

 

Jansen might be the poster child for the 1 year show-me contract somewhere. Might get 1+1 option. 2 year guarantee tops I'd wager.

[wilko]

Catchers man. Unless they're Buster Posey-esque the smart money is always on letting them walk.

 

Even Adley has taken a step back this season with the bat ( for him, still well above average for a catcher) and he'll be 27 next year.

 

He's still top 10, maybe even 5. Jansen could be resigned for peanuts I think. s***** year/injury history.

[Terminator]

I just don't see it personally. I don't think any team is signing Jansen to be their starting catcher with both his injury history and coming off one of his worst statistical season.

 

He will come at a fairly discounted price but I would imagine he would go somewhere he will play more rather than being a tandem again with Kirk.

 

So you are sticking by your statement that we will bring in someone better than Jansen to be the backup?

[Jonn]

So you are sticking by your statement that we will bring in someone better than Jansen to be the backup?

 

I would certainly hope so. I mean I wouldn't hate having Jansen back. But I don't really think Kirk will hold up as a Starting catcher. As good as he is at all the little things.

[jaysblue]

Christian Vazquez was probably a little worse player and he got 3 years for 30 million.

 

But I honestly don't really care what Jansen costs because someone will pay him starter money and that's too much for me.

 

He's not good enough to DH and I want him nowhere near that role and he's also a lesser player than the Catcher we already have.

 

Yeah a stud backup would be nice because Kirk is fat so if this were a complete team looking to throw a cherry on top of the sundae I'd be for it. But this is a team who has almost zero reliable relievers heading into next year. I'd rather take the money and use it to sign a reliever rather than a good backup player.

 

Yeah wouldn't give Jansen 3 years/$30M and don't think he gets that given his durability and injury history. Could be wrong though.

 

Not sure what exact teams are in the market for a starting catcher. Have to take a look.

 

If the Jays had to decide between someone like Jansen for C/DH vs. Max Kepler for DH/LF, would rather go with Jansen. Ideally hopefully the Jays could add better bats at LF and DH, but if they had to cheap out on a second bat, Jansen wouldn't be that bad.

[Brownie19]

I would certainly hope so. I mean I wouldn't hate having Jansen back. But I don't really think Kirk will hold up as a Starting catcher. As good as he is at all the little things.

 

I never talk it absolutes, but there's no chance we sign a catcher who's better than Jansen to pair with Kirk this offseason. We have much bigger holes to fill.

[John_Havok]

Biggio to the Braves...his trip around the league continues

[G-Snarls]

Biggio to the Braves...his trip around the league continues

 

MLBTR:

 

Biggio is on a minor league deal and as such was eligible to be traded despite the trade deadline having passed. As he was acquired after the calendar flipped to September, Biggio will not be eligible to participate in the postseason with the Braves.

[wilko]

Biggio to the Braves...his trip around the league continues

 

Last stop.

[John_Havok]

Last stop.

 

There's always the White Sox.

[BigCecil]

Nice job by the finest FO in the game selling high on IKF, and dumping that deal. He has turned back into IKF in PITT.

[jaysblue]

Nice job by the finest FO in the game selling high on IKF, and dumping that deal. He has turned back into IKF in PITT.

 

He is what he is. A valuable super utility player with a strong glove who likely could post a 1.5 - 2 WAR season for you with around an 80 to 90 wRC+ and that's it.

 

Would love to dig up some of the comments about IKF earlier this season.

 

Regardless, he was a solid signing last offseason.

[Brownie19]

Nice job by the finest FO in the game selling high on IKF, and dumping that deal. He has turned back into IKF in PITT.

 

Hard to hit without Donny Baseball whispering sweet nothings in your ear all game.

[Stangstag]

Yeah wouldn't give Jansen 3 years/$30M and don't think he gets that given his durability and injury history. Could be wrong though.

 

Not sure what exact teams are in the market for a starting catcher. Have to take a look.

 

If the Jays had to decide between someone like Jansen for C/DH vs. Max Kepler for DH/LF, would rather go with Jansen. Ideally hopefully the Jays could add better bats at LF and DH, but if they had to cheap out on a second bat, Jansen wouldn't be that bad.

 

Remember some people here (myself included) saying we missed the boat on extending Jansen for like 4/50 or whatever was floated? Comparing him to Sean Murphy.

 

Pretty much every single young guy that looked good, that we didn’t extend, has turned into a pumpkin. The only guy that looks like an actual talent right now is Vlad, and even his career looked questionable last season.

 

I think the front office has done pretty well to err on the side of caution and not extend guys early.

 

Imagine being saddled with huge contracts given out to Bo, Vlad, Manoah, Jansen, Gurriel, Romano, etc.

[BatFlip]

Remember some people here (myself included) saying we missed the boat on extending Jansen for like 4/50 or whatever was floated? Comparing him to Sean Murphy.

 

Pretty much every single young guy that looked good, that we didn’t extend, has turned into a pumpkin. The only guy that looks like an actual talent right now is Vlad, and even his career looked questionable last season.

 

I think the front office has done pretty well to err on the side of caution and not extend guys early.

 

Imagine being saddled with huge contracts given out to Bo, Vlad, Manoah, Jansen, Gurriel, Romano, etc.

 

It’s definitely the silver lining on this relatively conservative FO. Some of the best moves are the ones you don’t make.

 

I was also in the extend Jansen camp and was fawning over his first 100 ABs this year. I’m not sure what he signs for in the offseason but it’s a big risk for any team that goes 3-4 years for him. I’m very curious so see how the market views him.

[wilko]

It’s definitely the silver lining on this relatively conservative FO. Some of the best moves are the ones you don’t make.

 

I was also in the extend Jansen camp and was fawning over his first 100 ABs this year. I’m not sure what he signs for in the offseason but it’s a big risk for any team that goes 3-4 years for him. I’m very curious so see how the market views him.

 

2 years $13 million.

[Terminator]

He is what he is. A valuable super utility player with a strong glove who likely could post a 1.5 - 2 WAR season for you with around an 80 to 90 wRC+ and that's it.

 

Would love to dig up some of the comments about IKF earlier this season.

 

Regardless, he was a solid signing last offseason.

 

Why would you love to do that? Didn't you complain about that signing for weeks on end?

[glory]

IKF was not a solid signing. It turned out very well, getting a 2 WAR and above average offense from him in half a season and then trading him for an interesting prospect at the deadline, but an 80 wRC+ utility IF getting $15m guaranteed with the intention of starting him at 3B on a team that already lacked offense was simply not good. Though I will give them credit for selling at the absolute perfect time. Atkins hasn't done that often with big league talent in his tenure.