General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[jaysblue]

He accepted assignment, doesn't sound like a guy that's trouble, why was that brought up?

 

https://www.cleveland.com/guardians/2023/06/guardians-pitcher-clears-waivers-accepts-outright-assignment-to-triple-a.html

 

Laika trolling with bait.

[jaysblue]

https://sports.yahoo.com/guardians-p-zach-plesac-dumped-by-agents-after-yet-another-stupid-injury-203150604.html

 

He's kind of a dumbass. Not sure if it extends beyond the Covid stuff or punching the mound and hurting himself though.

 

Looking back, some of the Covid rules themselves were stupid and didn't make sense. I guess you're referring to him breaking curfew?

[Spanky99]

Laika trolling with bait.

 

No, Laika's joking, it was Max, I was just wondering about the off field issues.

[BTS]

https://sports.yahoo.com/guardians-p-zach-plesac-dumped-by-agents-after-yet-another-stupid-injury-203150604.html

 

He's kind of a dumbass. Not sure if it extends beyond the Covid stuff or punching the mound and hurting himself though.

 

Dude looks like he sells dimebags behind the high school gym. Full dumbass vibes.

[Terminator]

Looking back, some of the Covid rules themselves were stupid and didn't make sense. I guess you're referring him to breaking curfew?

 

I'm not touching the politics of Covid but yes, he broke curfew back when the season was about to be canceled. It pissed his teammates off so much that he was optioned to the minors for doing so. He's also had two significant self-inflicted injuries because he couldn't control his temper.

 

Not saying any of that's disqualifying, but there is often more fire to the smoke. He's also very borderline as is.

[Terminator]

Dude looks like he sells dimebags behind the high school gym. Full dumbass vibes.

 

Lol yeah there's that too.

[Masterbather]

Zach Plesac is a bad seed

 

I heard that his church believes there are only two types of [breaking balls]

 

Hmmmm, slider and curve? I'd have to agree. The change-up is not a breaking ball, screwballs don't really exist anymore. Slurves are problematic though, seems they can kind of transition between either sliders or curves. Just depends on how you identify them. Could be controversial.

[G-Snarls]

This series in Baltimore is huge

 

Gotta bring their A game

[Carlos Danger]

Blue Jays need to trade for Ricardo Rincon!

 

That would be the sign for the 21 game winning streak. Also, pay for our soda.. for, like, ever.....

[Stangstag]

Here's an idea. Treat your veteran and totally capable starting staff as the men who they are and not f***ing China dolls and have them go 7+ every night so you limit the exposure to the s***** pen. As far as I'm concerned, Bassitt, Gausman and even Berrios third/fourth time through the order is >>>>>>>>> shitbag first time through the order.

 

The analytics probably say otherwise, which is why they keep doing it.

 

I get it though, sometimes the moves they make are just puzzling.

[jaysblue]

That would be the sign for the 21 game winning streak. Also, pay for our soda.. for, like, ever.....

 

Blue Jays could definitely use a big winning streak. Even a 10-12 game run would be amazing!

[jaysblue]

This series in Baltimore is huge

 

Gotta bring their A game

 

Baltimore is an awful organization, so the Blue Jays shouldn't have a problem!

[Terminator]

This series in Baltimore is huge

 

Gotta bring their A game

 

Orioles had lost 3 of their last 4 series prior to playing the Royals who might be worse than the A's actually.

 

It's time to get some payback for that 3 game sweep earlier in the year.

 

Kremer-Bradish-Wells

 

vs

 

Bassit-Berrios-Kikuchi

[Terminator]

Baltimore is an awful organization, so the Blue Jays shouldn't have a problem!

 

How long are you going to keep running with this sarcasm bit? Just curious.

[Delgalladay]

Blue Jays could definitely use a big winning streak. Even a 10-12 game run would be amazing!

 

Heck, a 12-game winning streak would set their all time record!

[jaysblue]

How long are you going to keep running with this sarcasm bit? Just curious.

 

I'm just reiterating what I've read some homers on here say about Baltimore.

[Terminator]

I'm just reiterating what I've read some homers on here say about Baltimore.

 

No not just this post but elsewhere. Almost every post is a sarcasm post since the Tony Carp fiasco.

 

The bit isn't really really working fyi. Take it from someone who ran with a bit for almost an entire year lol.

[Stangstag]

I'm just reiterating what I've read some homers on here say about Baltimore.

 

Jays still finish ahead of the Os this year

[Spanky99]

How long are you going to keep running with this sarcasm bit? Just curious.

 

He's been doing the fence sitting for years, old hat. Can't even answer simple questions like who?

[bones10]

This series in Baltimore is huge

 

Gotta bring their A game

 

Rays playing Oakland, Red Sox playing the Rockies and the Yankees playing the feeble Mets. Absolutely cannot be swept, would be even a series win would only chase down Baltimore themselves most likely.

[Olerud363]

Jays still finish ahead of the Os this year

 

In the last couple of days Fangraphs is now projecting the Orioles finish ahead of the Jays. Jays are projected to outplay them the rest of the year but not make up the 5 game lead.

 

And this doesn't take into account that the Orioles are playing Gunnar Henderson at short now, which will lead to them replacing their worst hitter Mateo with Jordan Westburg, one of the minor league homerun leaders.

 

And they'll likely replace their other worst hitter, who is a terrible fit for the park with Cowser, by either putting him at first, or the outfield.

 

Then probably trade Mountcastle for a prospect.

 

Unless you think minor league numbers are meaningless the Orioles are only getting better from here. And they have to prospects to get a good starter with their 8-15 prospects and not touch their A prospects.

[Spanky99]

In the last couple of days Fangraphs is now projecting the Orioles finish ahead of the Jays. Jays are projected to outplay them the rest of the year but not make up the 5 game lead.

 

And this doesn't take into account that the Orioles are playing Gunnar Henderson at short now, which will lead to them replacing their worst hitter Mateo with Jordan Westburg, one of the minor league homerun leaders.

 

And they'll likely replace their other worst hitter, who is a terrible fit for the park with Cowser, by either putting him at first, or the outfield.

 

Then probably trade Mountcastle for a prospect.

 

Unless you think minor league numbers are meaningless the Orioles are only getting better from here. And they have to prospects to get a good starter with their 8-15 prospects and not touch their A prospects.

 

https://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/

[Terminator]

In the last couple of days Fangraphs is now projecting the Orioles finish ahead of the Jays. Jays are projected to outplay them the rest of the year but not make up the 5 game lead.

 

And this doesn't take into account that the Orioles are playing Gunnar Henderson at short now, which will lead to them replacing their worst hitter Mateo with Jordan Westburg, one of the minor league homerun leaders.

 

And they'll likely replace their other worst hitter, who is a terrible fit for the park with Cowser, by either putting him at first, or the outfield.

 

Then probably trade Mountcastle for a prospect.

 

Unless you think minor league numbers are meaningless the Orioles are only getting better from here. And they have to prospects to get a good starter with their 8-15 prospects and not touch their A prospects.

 

It's close but they still have us finishing ahead.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/standings/playoff-odds

 

Fair points on the rest of the stuff, but I believe Fangraphs takes into account the upper minor league systems for the ROS. They also probably won't be able to acquire a deadline player who makes any kind of money which will limit their potential targets whereas the Jays can. But we shall see how it all plays out. I'm sure all the Orioles fans on the board will be keeping us closely apprised.

[Stangstag]

It's close but they still have us finishing ahead.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/standings/playoff-odds

 

Fair points on the rest of the stuff, but I believe Fangraphs takes into account the upper minor league systems for the ROS. They also probably won't be able to acquire a deadline player who makes any kind of money which will limit their potential targets whereas the Jays can. But we shall see how it all plays out. I'm sure all the Orioles fans on the board will be keeping us closely apprised.

 

This place will be insufferable if the Jays lose this next Os series

[John_Havok]

In the last couple of days Fangraphs is now projecting the Orioles finish ahead of the Jays. Jays are projected to outplay them the rest of the year but not make up the 5 game lead.

 

And this doesn't take into account that the Orioles are playing Gunnar Henderson at short now, which will lead to them replacing their worst hitter Mateo with Jordan Westburg, one of the minor league homerun leaders.

 

And they'll likely replace their other worst hitter, who is a terrible fit for the park with Cowser, by either putting him at first, or the outfield.

 

Then probably trade Mountcastle for a prospect.

 

Unless you think minor league numbers are meaningless the Orioles are only getting better from here. And they have to prospects to get a good starter with their 8-15 prospects and not touch their A prospects.

 

Except you don’t get good starters without trading at least 1 of your A prospects, depending on your definition of good.

[WryNGinger]

https://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/

 

Pretty sure Pickles posts here under a different name, says the exact same things as one of our trolls...lol

[Olerud363]

Except you donÂ’t get good starters without trading at least 1 of your A prospects, depending on your definition of good.

 

In their 8th to 16th ranked prospects they have 4 guys carrying .400 + on base percentages this year, and an 18 year old catcher holding his own in full season ball (Basallo). I don't know a tonne about any of them, but I bet they can get a good pitcher by just telling teams take your favourite 3 guys from our 8th and lower prospects.

 

16 Cesar Prieto .363 .409 .483 15 ks

15 Judd Fabian .297 .401 .517

13 Hudson Haskin .320 .425 .500

10 Samuel Basallo .288 .336 .44

8 Cobo Mayer .280 .404 .513

[BTS]

I'm still not impressed with the Orioles FO. They inherited Mullins, Santander and Hays, and took Rutschman 1st overall. Credit for drafting and developing Henderson. Starting pitching is bad. Get back to me when they prove they're able to supplement the cheap young talent with impact major league support, and do it in a way that allows them to contend in more than a short window. It's easy to collect talent when you're terrible for half a decade. The hard part starts now.

[connorp]

I'm still not impressed with the Orioles FO. They inherited Mullins, Santander and Hays, and took Rutschman 1st overall. Credit for drafting and developing Henderson. Starting pitching is bad. Get back to me when they prove they're able to supplement the cheap young talent with impact major league support, and do it in a way that allows them to contend in more than a short window. It's easy to collect talent when you're terrible for half a decade. The hard part starts now.

 

You jelly. They have a bunch of potential impact bats knocking on the door. Toronto is limping along with a complete empty chamber for a farm. They have one of their best SP coming back from injury and Grayson is a long ways from being a bust.

 

It doesn’t appear they need to make any big FA splashes. Maybe hit on some contributors

[Olerud363]

I'm still not impressed with the Orioles FO. They inherited Mullins, Santander and Hays, and took Rutschman 1st overall. Credit for drafting and developing Henderson. Starting pitching is bad. Get back to me when they prove they're able to supplement the cheap young talent with impact major league support, and do it in a way that allows them to contend in more than a short window. It's easy to collect talent when you're terrible for half a decade. The hard part starts now.

 

People are acting like they are not already 17 games over .500. They are on pace to win over 100 and they just have to play 1 game over .500 the rest of the way to win 90. There are several things little and big that indicating a great organization.

 

1. The bullpen - this is the quickest part of a team to build, it may take years to know how their young players will turn out for sure, but we know they can build a bullpen.

2. Everybody in the minor leagues has a .420 on base percentage (not everybody, but you could literally find 8 or 9 .400 plus on base guys in their top 20 prospects), indicating a good old fashioned 'money ball' 2000 Oakland As style minor league development system, get on base!.

3. The park - it's ridiculous, but they designed a freak park that is going to give them a not insignificant advantage over the next decade, stifling opponents right handed bats, while their left handed .420 on base guys get to shoot at the short porch in right.

4. Hitting Covid right - everybody is like '5 losing years in a row'. Maybe they just held back and tanked a couple of more years knowing there were no fans anyway.

 

They are collecting little advantages all over the place and appear to do a lot of things well. They haven't developed an ace starting pitcher yet, and early returns on their 2 really good pitching prospects are disappointing, but otherwise they've got a serviceable starting rotation out of scraps.

 

What happens if they start putting a little money into it?