Fire John Schneider

[jaysblue]

What moves should they have made that would have topped getting Bass and Pop?

 

Moving forward, the team priorities should be:

1- Find 4th and 5th starters.

2- Improve the outfield. Tapia and Gurriel must go. People here seem to be aware of Tapia's shortcomings, but are oblivious to Gurriel turning into a slap hitter with bad outfield defense and base running. The Jays were 27th defensively in the OF.

3- Move Bo to 2B and find a real SS. The Blue Jays were 27th at SS defensively. Just show Bo the numbers and tell him to f*** off.

4- If they can get an elite BP piece, then great. Otherwise, improving the defense at SS and OF should help all our pitchers including the BP.

 

Didn't the bullpen just blow an 8-1 lead in a crucial Game 2 of the Wildcard? Yes or no? So please, enough with being an apologist and face the reality that this bullpen wasn't good enough from day one! I said the Bass and Pop trades were decent even back at the deadline. Were they enough to take this team to the next level? No they weren't. Pop wasn't even used much in critical situations and Bass did an awful job yesterday in the 8th. So what impact did both really have?

 

As for your offseason priorities, I'll update them:

 

1. This team should look to add another front of the rotation starter if they want to make a deep run at a World Series. Carlos Rodon or heck even Jacob deGrom would be fantastic but that's aiming real high.

2. I've said this numerous times this team needs to add some better depth and outfield is the perfect place. They need a solid 4th outfielder who they can also DH the odd time since Springer is injury prone. As for Gurriel, sure I'm open to trading him. I would look at adding a defensive minded CF (one that is left-handed would be preferable but a RHB would be fine) and move Springer to RF and have Hernandez in LF.

3. Agreed, though I doubt this organization has the guts to tell him he needs to move to 2B. You'll get a disgruntled player who likely won't consider resigning an extension here.

4. They need an elite BP piece. This bullpen couldn't even hold a 8-1 lead against the Mariners. Imagine holding a 2-1 lead against a better team in the Postseason. Sign or trade for an elite BP piece to complement with Romano. Take a gamble on some low risk/high upside and high K relievers or past failed starters. Also, hope you get lucky with Merryweather and move Pearson to the bullpen during Spring Training.

[Spanky__99]

Didn't the bullpen just blow an 8-1 lead in a crucial Game 2 of the Wildcard? Yes or no? So please, enough with being an apologist and face the reality that this bullpen wasn't good enough from day one! I said the Bass and Pop trades were decent even back at the deadline. Were they enough to take this team to the next level? No they weren't. Pop wasn't even used much in critical situations and Bass did an awful job yesterday in the 8th. So what impact did both really have?

 

As for your offseason priorities, I'll update them:

 

1. This team should look to add another front of the rotation starter if they want to make a deep run at a World Series. Carlos Rodon or heck even Jacob deGrom would be fantastic but that's aiming real high.

2. I've said this numerous times this team needs to add some better depth and outfield is the perfect place. They need a solid 4th outfielder who they can also DH the odd time since Springer is injury prone. As for Gurriel, sure I'm open to trading him. I would look at adding a defensive minded CF (one that is left-handed would be preferable but a RHB would be fine) and move Springer to RF and have Hernandez in LF.

3. Agreed, though I doubt this organization has the guts to tell him he needs to move to 2B. You'll get a disgruntled player who likely won't consider resigning an extension here.

4. They need an elite BP piece. This bullpen couldn't even hold a 8-1 lead against the Mariners. Imagine holding a 2-1 lead against a better team in the Postseason. Sign or trade for an elite BP piece to complement with Romano. Take a gamble on some low risk/high upside and high K relievers or past failed starters. Also, hope you get lucky with Merryweather and move Pearson to the bullpen during Spring Training.

 

Dude, how much money do you think the Jays have??? lol

[Captain_Obvious]

Didn't the bullpen just blow an 8-1 lead in a crucial Game 2 of the Wildcard? Yes or no? So please, enough with being an apologist and face the reality that this bullpen wasn't good enough from day one! I said the Bass and Pop trades were decent even back at the deadline. Were they enough to take this team to the next level? No they weren't. Pop wasn't even used much in critical situations and Bass did an awful job yesterday in the 8th. So what impact did both really have?

 

As for your offseason priorities, I'll update them:

 

1. This team should look to add another front of the rotation starter if they want to make a deep run at a World Series. Carlos Rodon or heck even Jacob deGrom would be fantastic but that's aiming real high.

2. I've said this numerous times this team needs to add some better depth and outfield is the perfect place. They need a solid 4th outfielder who they can also DH the odd time since Springer is injury prone. As for Gurriel, sure I'm open to trading him. I would look at adding a defensive minded CF (one that is left-handed would be preferable but a RHB would be fine) and move Springer to RF and have Hernandez in LF.

3. Agreed, though I doubt this organization has the guts to tell him he needs to move to 2B. You'll get a disgruntled player who likely won't consider resigning an extension here.

4. They need an elite BP piece. This bullpen couldn't even hold a 8-1 lead against the Mariners. Imagine holding a 2-1 lead against a better team in the Postseason. Sign or trade for an elite BP piece to complement with Romano. Take a gamble on some low risk/high upside and high K relievers or past failed starters. Also, hope you get lucky with Merryweather and move Pearson to the bullpen during Spring Training.

 

This is exactly what I am talking about when I say stop being a drama queen. It is just one game so stop overreacting over a 1 game sample. Seattle lost a game to the f***ing Royals after leading 11-2 going into the bottom of the six. Castillo was pitching too. Perhaps Seattle should consider their rotation and bullpen as a weakness and over-react by focusing on that instead of the big picture because of that one game.

 

The big picture for the Blue Jays is obvious. Their outfield and SS defense is at the bottom of the MLB. Their bullpen is middle of the pack. Their priority should be fixing one of the worst defenses first, which will also help overall pitching numbers. Adding a starter is also important. Adding an elite BP arm is a luxury.

[G-Snarls]

Many players will be fired.

 

Tapia pls

[jaysblue]

Dude, how much money do you think the Jays have??? lol

 

You can't just stand pat and come back with the exact same roster as next season and expect to be World Series contenders without spending some money via free agency or acquiring some players with salary through trade.

 

There are trade routes for the Blue Jays to be creative. They can trade from their catching depth, move perhaps Gurriel or Hernandez if they wanted to. I think you need to add to this core in 2023 rather than just keep the status quo.

 

Ryu and Kikuchi definitely are tying up some payroll in 2023 and are pretty much dead weight, but what can you do?

 

2023 will be a crucial season for Atkins and company. They can't keep the status quo, so they'll have to spend some money obviously. Hopefully Rogers increases the payroll again and gives Atkins the green light to go out to sign a big piece again like he did with Gausman last offseason. As well, hope they can find some bargains on free agency like some bounceback candidates or be creative on the trade front to improve this team.

Edited October 10, 2022 by jaysblue

[jaysblue]

This is exactly what I am talking about when I say stop being a drama queen. It is just one game so stop overreacting over a 1 game sample. Seattle lost a game to the f***ing Royals after leading 11-2 going into the bottom of the six. Castillo was pitching too. Perhaps Seattle should consider their rotation and bullpen as a weakness and over-react by focusing on that instead of the big picture because of that one game.

 

The big picture for the Blue Jays is obvious. Their outfield and SS defense is at the bottom of the MLB. Their bullpen is middle of the pack. Their priority should be fixing one of the worst defenses first, which will also help overall pitching numbers. Adding a starter is also important. Adding an elite BP arm is a luxury.

 

You just admitted the Blue Jays have a middle of the pack bullpen, and that was one of the issues why this team never took it to the "next level" and a reason why they lost on Saturday. They can't go deep into a Postseason with a "middle of the pack" bullpen! They need to make some upgrades. Doesn't mean they need to spend a majority of their payroll on the bullpen, though this front office could do a better job at targeting and assessing talent when it comes to the bullpen. It's not just one game - this was an issue all season and a reason why the team missed the Postseason by only ONE game in 2021. So stop calling me a drama queen.

 

I agree with everything else you said. They need to shore up their outfield defense and ideally moving Bo to second base would be great, though doubt it happens. Another starter is important since Stripling is a FA, and you can't rely on Kikuchi. As much as I like Mitch White, prefer seeing him as a No. 6 starter for depth purposes, though having him open as the No. 5 starter isn't the end of the world. Ideally, targeting another No. 1-2 starter would be perfect, though a middle of the rotation starter would be fine.

Edited October 10, 2022 by jaysblue

[Spanky__99]

You can't just stand pat and come back with the exact same roster as next season and expect to be World Series contenders without spending some money via free agency or acquiring some players with salary through trade.

 

I didn't say that? I'm being serious, how much do you think they have?

 

There are trade routes for the Blue Jays to be creative. They can trade from their catching depth, move perhaps Gurriel or Hernandez if they wanted to. I think you need to add to this core in 2023 rather than just keep the status quo.

 

Ryu and Kikuchi definitely are tying up some payroll in 2023 and are pretty much dead weight, but what can you do?

 

Thanks tips, I'm quite aware, Jays should keep Gurriel on as 4th OF'er if they sign one of Nimmo or Conforto, but they could always just role with Merrifield in that spot. There'll be turnover in the depth of the roster I'm sure. I'd be happy if the Jays got Edwin Diaz as our elite reliever and re-sign Chicken Strip, to be honest.

 

2023 will be a crucial season for Atkins and company. They can't keep the status quo, so they'll have to spend. Hopefully Rogers increases the payroll again and gives Atkins the green light to go out to sign a big piece again like he did with Gausman last offseason. As well, hope they can find some bargains on free agency like some bounceback candidates or be creative on the trade front to improve this team.

 

Agreed.

Edited October 10, 2022 by Spanky99

[jaysblue]

I didn't say that? I'm being serious, how much do you think they have?

 

 

 

Thanks tips, I'm quite aware, Jays should keep Gurriel on as 4th OF'er if they sign one of Nimmo or Conforto, but they could always just role with Merrifield in that spot. There'll be turnover in the depth of the roster I'm sure. I'd be happy if the Jays got Edwin Diaz as our elite reliever and resign Chicken Strip, to be honest.

 

 

 

Agreed.

 

I would hope Rogers gives them the green light to make another big FA signing similar to Gausman last offseason. Other players will become more expensive through ARB and as well they'll need some money to sign other FAs to patch up the bullpen and the rest of the roster.

 

Conforto can be a good value signing for one-year. Could be similar to how they signed Semien for the 2021 season. Rogers Centre would be a perfect place for Conforto to build up his value again and he'll definitely be a nice addition to this Jays lineup and on the field. Nimmo will cost more, though open to him as well if the funds are available. Gurriel is only making 5 million next season, so his contract is very favorable.

 

I'm all for signing Edwin Diaz. Some other intriguing value BP arms as well like Chad Green, Aroldis Chapman, Zack Britton. I wonder if Craig Kimbrel or Kenley Jansen would sign a one-year contract...wouldn't be bad for either since it's only one year. Also, would look at Matt Moore and heck even Shelby Miller (who looks like he might have turned the corner as a reliever now).

 

I'm alright with the Blue Jays resigning Stripling if they miss out on a bigger name FA starter. Though some more depth would be nice. Take a look at Kyle Gibson, Corey Kluber, Andrew Heaney or even a James Paxton/Matthew Boyd as bounceback candidates. Have Kikuchi, White, and Ricky Tiedemann as your depth SP options to open the season.

[Stangstag]

I would hope Rogers gives them the green light to make another big FA signing similar to Gausman last offseason. Other players will become more expensive through ARB and as well they'll need some money to sign other FAs to patch up the bullpen and the rest of the roster.

 

Conforto can be a good value signing for one-year. Could be similar to how they signed Semien for the 2021 season. Rogers Centre would be a perfect place for Conforto to build up his value again and he'll definitely be a nice addition to this Jays lineup and on the field. Nimmo will cost more, though open to him as well if the funds are available. Gurriel is only making 5 million next season, so his contract is very favorable.

 

I'm all for signing Edwin Diaz. Some other intriguing value BP arms as well like Chad Green, Aroldis Chapman, Zack Britton. I wonder if Craig Kimbrel or Kenley Jansen would sign a one-year contract...wouldn't be bad for either since it's only one year. Also, would look at Matt Moore and heck even Shelby Miller (who looks like he might have turned the corner as a reliever now).

 

I'm alright with the Blue Jays resigning Stripling if they miss out on a bigger name FA starter. Though some more depth would be nice. Take a look at Kyle Gibson, Corey Kluber, Andrew Heaney or even a James Paxton/Matthew Boyd as bounceback candidates. Have Kikuchi, White, and Ricky Tiedemann as your depth SP options to open the season.

 

Nimmo is definitely within the realm of possibility if they decide to trade Teo. Would probably cost about the same, maybe an extra 5 million AAV or so.

 

Conforto would mean Springer in CF for another season. Depends on the cost savings.

[Captain_Obvious]

Nimmo is definitely within the realm of possibility if they decide to trade Teo. Would probably cost about the same, maybe an extra 5 million AAV or so.

 

Conforto would mean Springer in CF for another season. Depends on the cost savings.

 

Why do they have to trade Teo to get Nimmo? Teo in LF, Springer in RF, Nimmo in CF. Gurriel traded for lottery tickets (5.5M saved) . Tapia not tendered (4M saved). It should not be hard to find a new 4th OF.

[Spanky__99]

Why do they have to trade Teo to get Nimmo? Teo in LF, Springer in RF, Nimmo in CF. Gurriel traded for lottery tickets (5.5M saved) . Tapia not tendered (4M saved). It should not be hard to find a new 4th OF.

 

What's wrong with Gurriel as a 4th OF?

Edited October 10, 2022 by Spanky99
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[Captain_Obvious]

What's wrong with Gurriel as a 4th OF?

 

He provides deep negative value defensively in LF, let alone CF, and is a terrible base runner. These are the main things you look for in a 4th OF. Also, he is set to make 5.5M which could be used elsewhere.

[Spanky__99]

He provides deep negative value defensively in LF, let alone CF, and is a terrible base runner. These are the main things you look for in a 4th OF. Also, he is set to make 5.5M which could be used elsewhere.

 

Dude, if we signed a CF with Springer and Merrifield as backups to said CF, we'd have no worries. LGJ's DRS is ranked 11th and OAA he's T-21 for LF, I don't agree with FT overall defensive value, not to mention 5.5M and you won't come close to finding a 4th OF bat on the market with a wRC+ 114 is cheeeeeeeap. Just keep him, it's easy peasy.

[Terminator]

I'm still so freaking pissed off at Schneider. From pulling Gausman, to ignoring the splits against Santana, to putting in Tapia when the game called for a defensive sub...he completely screwed up the biggest game of the season. You could even make the case that he screwed up one of the biggest games in franchise history.

 

I thought he did a good job taking over for Montoyo but this completely stains his managerial career IMO. My guess is he gets retained and I do think he can learn from this and get better but it's almost like nothing he does from here on out, short of the team winning a WS, will ever make up for the fact that he screwed up an 8-1 lead in an elimination game. I hope he gets canned. He definitely deserves it.

[bluejaysinternNo5]

I'm still so freaking pissed off at Schneider. From pulling Gausman, to ignoring the splits against Santana, to putting in Tapia when the game called for a defensive sub...he completely screwed up the biggest game of the season. You could even make the case that he screwed up one of the biggest games in franchise history.

 

I thought he did a good job taking over for Montoyo but this completely stains his managerial career IMO. My guess is he gets retained and I do think he can learn from this and get better but it's almost like nothing he does from here on out, short of the team winning a WS, will ever make up for the fact that he screwed up an 8-1 lead in an elimination game. I hope he gets canned. He definitely deserves it.

 

In complete agreement with this. My guess is he is retained and I would hope he learns from this, but it becomes draining watching this team have learning experiences over and over and over again. A manager with experience would be welcome.

[Terminator]

Schneider is the Bill Buckner or Mitch Williams of managers. It doesn't matter that Buckner had a good year at the plate or that Mitch Williams had 43 saves that year, they are known as failures because they screwed up when it mattered most. Same with Schneider.

[Captain_Obvious]

Dude, if we signed a CF with Springer and Merrifield as backups to said CF, we'd have no worries. LGJ's DRS is ranked 11th and OAA he's T-21 for LF, I don't agree with FT overall defensive value, not to mention 5.5M and you won't come close to finding a 4th OF bat on the market with a wRC+ 114 is cheeeeeeeap. Just keep him, it's easy peasy.

 

You don't need the 4th OFer to have wRC+ of 114. You just need him to be as valuable than Gurriell overall. Someone like Otto Lopez can give you the same value with better defense, versatility, and base running. He also has room to become better. The 5.5M can make a big difference for going the extra mile to sign free agents that will really move the needle (Nimmo or Rondon).

[Terminator]

I'm not sure how to look this up but I saw that Gurriel was one of the better hitters in baseball on 95+ velocity. I think the Jays team struggles with high velocity as well. If that's the case I'd keep him.

[Captain_Obvious]

I'm not sure how to look this up but I saw that Gurriel was one of the better hitters in baseball on 95+ velocity. I think the Jays team struggles with high velocity as well. If that's the case I'd keep him.

 

The 5.5M is better used on a major area of need especially when there are league minimum options available internally who can provide similar value over 300 PA.

[Brownie19]

I'm still so freaking pissed off at Schneider. From pulling Gausman, to ignoring the splits against Santana, to putting in Tapia when the game called for a defensive sub...he completely screwed up the biggest game of the season. You could even make the case that he screwed up one of the biggest games in franchise history.

 

I thought he did a good job taking over for Montoyo but this completely stains his managerial career IMO. My guess is he gets retained and I do think he can learn from this and get better but it's almost like nothing he does from here on out, short of the team winning a WS, will ever make up for the fact that he screwed up an 8-1 lead in an elimination game. I hope he gets canned. He definitely deserves it.

 

Do we know whether he pulled Merrifield for defensive purposes, or because Merrifield was injured after taking that pitch to the bean?

[Stangstag]

Do we know whether he pulled Merrifield for defensive purposes, or because Merrifield was injured after taking that pitch to the bean?

 

He said something like “we felt like it was a good idea to take him out of the game there, and felt like we weren’t losing anything on defense by replacing him with Tapia”

[Spanky__99]

Do we know whether he pulled Merrifield for defensive purposes, or because Merrifield was injured after taking that pitch to the bean?

 

I know, we got jacked on that.

[Terminator]

I've spent the past 3+ days trying to figure out why the hell Schneider went with a lefty in Mayza against Santana when Santana hits lefties so much better than he does righties.

 

I've poured over every statistic I can find and the only thing I've seen is that Schneider wanted Santana facing a lefty because he hits less home runs against LHP. Santana is a patient, well-rounded hitter vs LHP and hits for better AVG, OBP and SLG but without a ton of home run power. Against RHP he's a garbage boom-or-bust swinger that goes for homers. So Schneider was trying to avoid a big inning via a grand slam there but that makes no god damn sense to me whatsoever because he's setting the Mariners up for a big inning just in a different way.

 

Next up after Santana was Kelenic who is an easy guy to pinch hit for against LHP with Dylan Moore, a guy who can hit lefties well. So if Schneider is trying to avoid a big inning with a LHP, yeah he decreased the odds of Santana hitting a jack (in theory anyway lol) but suddenly went from facing two hitters with a wRC+ in the 80s (Santana and Kelenic vs RHP) to two hitters with a wRC+ well over 130 (Santana and Moore vs LHP)!

 

I'm not sure how the hell Schneider comes back from this. After today's press conference it sounds like Atkins is going to stand by him but GM's don't usually outlast two different managers. You can fire one and then hire the next one and the interim guy doesn't count. But I'm not sure it's wise of Atkins to make the interim manager the permanent one when he will be feeling the heat from the media and the fans from day 1. He could just as easily find one that doesn't carry all of the baggage that Schneider will.

[Olerud363]

I've spent the past 3+ days trying to figure out why the hell Schneider went with a lefty in Mayza against Santana when Santana hits lefties so much better than he does righties.

 

I've poured over every statistic I can find and the only thing I've seen is that Schneider wanted Santana facing a lefty because he hits less home runs against LHP. Santana is a patient, well-rounded hitter vs LHP and hits for better AVG, OBP and SLG but without a ton of home run power. Against RHP he's a garbage boom-or-bust swinger that goes for homers. So Schneider was trying to avoid a big inning via a grand slam there but that makes no god damn sense to me whatsoever because he's setting the Mariners up for a big inning just in a different way.

 

Next up after Santana was Kelenic who is an easy guy to pinch hit for against LHP with Dylan Moore, a guy who can hit lefties well. So if Schneider is trying to avoid a big inning with a LHP, yeah he decreased the odds of Santana hitting a jack (in theory anyway lol) but suddenly went from facing two hitters with a wRC+ in the 80s (Santana and Kelenic vs RHP) to two hitters with a wRC+ well over 130 (Santana and Moore vs LHP)!

 

I'm not sure how the hell Schneider comes back from this. After today's press conference it sounds like Atkins is going to stand by him but GM's don't usually outlast two different managers. You can fire one and then hire the next one and the interim guy doesn't count. But I'm not sure it's wise of Atkins to make the interim manager the permanent one when he will be feeling the heat from the media and the fans from day 1. He could just as easily find one that doesn't carry all of the baggage that Schneider will.

 

I am still sure part of the "why", is they had a pre-planned entry point for Mayza as to avoid him facing righties at the top of the order, so going into the game gameplan was Mayza comes in to face 7-8-9.

 

Having bases loaded didn't matter because the same decision would have been planned if it was 2-1, 5-1, or whatever. Mayza comes in for 7-8-9.

 

Did it matter that there were 2 outs? That made it unlikely the inning would reach Julio, but if it did it would be Mayze vs Julio as the tying run.

 

Was it the right decision pre-game or during game? Not saying it was. Just that they may have had a pre-planned entry point based on the 3 batter rule.

 

It turned out Santana was the key at bat. However in other scenarios it could have been Julio having the key at bat.

[Stangstag]

I am still sure part of the "why", is they had a pre-planned entry point for Mayza as to avoid him facing righties at the top of the order, so going into the game gameplan was Mayza comes in to face 7-8-9.

 

Having bases loaded didn't matter because the same decision would have been planned if it was 2-1, 5-1, or whatever. Mayza comes in for 7-8-9.

 

Did it matter that there were 2 outs? That made it unlikely the inning would reach Julio, but if it did it would be Mayze vs Julio as the tying run.

 

Was it the right decision pre-game or during game? Not saying it was. Just that they may have had a pre-planned entry point based on the 3 batter rule.

 

It turned out Santana was the key at bat. However in other scenarios it could have been Julio having the key at bat.

 

I think you may be right. And we saw the exact same thing with Mariners and Ray yesterday. They clearly planned to use Ray against whatever LHB they needed to if there was a jam in that game. And they went with Ray against Yordan even though Sewald has much better numbers and they have other guys in the pen with better numbers too.

[Olerud363]

I think you may be right. And we saw the exact same thing with Mariners and Ray yesterday. They clearly planned to use Ray against whatever LHB they needed to if there was a jam in that game. And they went with Ray against Yordan even though Sewald has much better numbers and they have other guys in the pen with better numbers too.

 

And I kind of think, unless there is an obvious advantage for a move, or a crazy pitch count or something, that there is something to be said about guys cleaning up their own mess. Do not get me wrong. If a tanked Gaussman is at 110 pitches and a dynamite reliever is available, or a guy is getting hammered you make the move. However in Situations like last night, and Saturday, where the move may have a very small theoretical advantage, you should let the guy who got into the mess clean it up.

[jaysblue]

And I kind of think, unless there is an obvious advantage for a move, or a crazy pitch count or something, that there is something to be said about guys cleaning up their own mess. Do not get me wrong. If a tanked Gaussman is at 110 pitches and a dynamite reliever is available, or a guy is getting hammered you make the move. However in Situations like last night, and Saturday, where the move may have a very small theoretical advantage, you should let the guy who got into the mess clean it up.

 

Tough to find a clean up guy like Harvey Keitel.

[Krylian]

Tough to find a clean up guy like Harvey Keitel.

 

The crew from John Wick was pretty effective also. Toss them a couple of gold coins and watch them go.

[Brownie19]

I've spent the past 3+ days trying to figure out why the hell Schneider went with a lefty in Mayza against Santana when Santana hits lefties so much better than he does righties.

 

I've poured over every statistic I can find and the only thing I've seen is that Schneider wanted Santana facing a lefty because he hits less home runs against LHP. Santana is a patient, well-rounded hitter vs LHP and hits for better AVG, OBP and SLG but without a ton of home run power. Against RHP he's a garbage boom-or-bust swinger that goes for homers. So Schneider was trying to avoid a big inning via a grand slam there but that makes no god damn sense to me whatsoever because he's setting the Mariners up for a big inning just in a different way.

 

Next up after Santana was Kelenic who is an easy guy to pinch hit for against LHP with Dylan Moore, a guy who can hit lefties well. So if Schneider is trying to avoid a big inning with a LHP, yeah he decreased the odds of Santana hitting a jack (in theory anyway lol) but suddenly went from facing two hitters with a wRC+ in the 80s (Santana and Kelenic vs RHP) to two hitters with a wRC+ well over 130 (Santana and Moore vs LHP)!

 

I'm not sure how the hell Schneider comes back from this. After today's press conference it sounds like Atkins is going to stand by him but GM's don't usually outlast two different managers. You can fire one and then hire the next one and the interim guy doesn't count. But I'm not sure it's wise of Atkins to make the interim manager the permanent one when he will be feeling the heat from the media and the fans from day 1. He could just as easily find one that doesn't carry all of the baggage that Schneider will.

 

FWIW - my buddy spoke with Tinnish after the game (we've known him for years). He said he really disagreed with the decision to bring Mayza in. Now Tinnish may not have a say in it and may not be at the FO table that's making that decision. Outside of that, he said the players simply didn't execute and there were several unlucky plays that went against the Jays late.

[John_Havok]

Something Ive been thinking about, it is kind of weird they havent confirmed him as the new manager yet. Maybe theyre waiting until the post-season is over but usually the interim managers are confirmed or fired pretty quick towards the end of the season.

 

Wouldnt it be kind of awkward to have plans not to retain Schneider as the bench boss but want to keep him around for the same role he was in last year under Montoyo?