2022 Trade Deadline Thread

[Deadpool]

Deck McGuire might have a few innings in him.

 

Get the entire 2010 draft class back together.

 

Is Dustin McGowan still alive? I know Josh Towers runs a pitching academy, so he's probably still in shape (as much as he ever was...)

[Terminator]

So Stripling to the IL and White into the rotation. Who is next up for SP? Hatch?

[jaysblue]

 

Cool interview.

 

Even Josh Towers knows the Rockies organization sucks haha.

[Laika]

So Stripling to the IL and White into the rotation. Who is next up for SP? Hatch?

 

Could be anybody

 

Hard to see them going back to Hatch

[Carlos Danger]

Bring back Chacin.. ? The guy with his own cologne..

[Terminator]

Could be anybody

 

Hard to see them going back to Hatch

 

They must REALLY hate Max Castillo then if they think adding Merrifield is worth Lawrence/Hatch/etc. being next man up.

[Laika]

They must REALLY hate Max Castillo then if they think adding Merrifield is worth Lawrence/Hatch/etc. being next man up.

 

Or they have other creative solutions for those spots....

 

Like a bullpen game (somehow, I dunno)

 

Or just calling up Tiedemann or someone like that for a shocking start.

[Terminator]

Or they have other creative solutions for those spots....

 

Like a bullpen game (somehow, I dunno)

 

Or just calling up Tiedemann or someone like that for a shocking start.

 

Bullpen starts? 20 year old Tiedemann? Yikes...

[Laika]

Bullpen starts? 20 year old Tiedemann? Yikes...

 

Very possible to get more out of a bullpen game than a crummy SP5

 

I dunno, Tiedemann might be a phenom. I've never watched him aside from youtube clips.

[Terminator]

Very possible to get more out of a bullpen game than a crummy SP5

 

I dunno, Tiedemann might be a phenom. I've never watched him aside from youtube clips.

 

You aren't wrong about those possibly being better options but this is my point. They must think Max Castillo is dogshit if these are the options they have. We are one injury away from Thornton bullpen games. 2 injuries away from Thornton Bullpen games followed by Casey Lawrence starts.

[Jonn]

Tiedemann could probably pitch in the Bullpen right now. He’s going to AA when hes reactivated. They are just monitoring his innings.

[Laika]

You aren't wrong about those possibly being better options but this is my point. They must think Max Castillo is dogshit if these are the options they have. We are one injury away from Thornton bullpen games. 2 injuries away from Thornton Bullpen games followed by Casey Lawrence starts.

 

Yeah they probably did not think there is in fact a big gap between Castillo and some of the other options

 

Which, you know, fine. Castillo was a worthless org guy until like three weeks ago because of some good MLB results. Very possible he sucks.

[BigCecil]

Interesting. I think the Jays still have a big need for a impact LHH. No disrespect to Biggio, and Tapia's heater. I think the numbers against LHP are a bit misleading. Clubs throw them at an historically low number against the Jays because they are so right handed dominant. We have struggled often a lot with even nameless RHP, who can come in and throw us endless pitches spun away. I know overall our offense has been top 5 but too often we get shut down because its such a repeatable look for the arms we face.

 

I look at the Brave's last year milking the most out of Pederson and Rosario after the all star break and in the playoffs. They gave them a lot of effective balance. They got hot and Braves got lucky with them and Soler, but it sure made them tough to match up and pitch against down the stretch and on their run.

 

The pen is the priority but this is still a big weakness IMO if we want to go on a deep run.

 

An impact left handed bat would be nice to have for sure, but who should come out of the lineup to facilitate this type of addition? There haven't been a lot of available names listed that fit this team. Happ would be a nice get but Gurriel and Teoscar have both been mashing for several months. Josh Bell has had a great season but Kirk has been the team's most productive hitter as a whole and Vlad is the most talented hitter on the team so I can't see taking either of these guys out of the lineup.

 

Its been a need for a very long time and many options have come and gone to fill that hole. In terms of where they play the Springer IL, which we all knew was coming, has made "where do they play?" a lot easier to answer. I think its risky to think Teo and LGJ will stay red hot given their propensity for big slumps. So we give up Castillo, who has solid depth potential at least according to Eno Sarris stuff analysis, plus Taylor to get yet another RH bat. I mean Merrifield is ok. Speed. Vetrin presents.

[max silver]

Its been a need for a very long time and many options have come and gone to fill that hole. In terms of where they play the Springer IL, which we all knew was coming, has made "where do they play?" a lot easier to answer. I think its risky to think Teo and LGJ will stay red hot given their propensity for big slumps. So we give up Castillo, who has solid depth potential at least according to Eno Sarris stuff analysis, plus Taylor to get yet another RH bat. I mean Merrifield is ok. Speed. Vetrin presents.

 

Given how close to the deadline the Merrifield acquisition was made I'm sure this was far from the first choice for the front office. It was definitely a headscratcher to move out Castillo given the lack of starting depth in the organization, but Taylor isn't likely somebody to lose any sleep over. The team didn't even protect him ahead of the rule 5 draft, and given the large number of prospects needing to be added to the 40 man roster this offseason it made a lot of sense to consolidate some of the more extraneous prospects into help for the big league roster. There was a pronounced need to attain outfield help given the tenuous Springer injury situation, so if moving out Castillo ended up being the only way to get this done then so be it.

 

You can certainly choose to call me a homer, optimist or whatever other descriptor you choose but I am a firm believer in both Teoscar and Gurriel offensively. If I recall correctly the only time Teo has really struggled since his breakout was this season after his IL stint. He's been one of baseballs best hitting outfielders dating back several seasons now and has several silver slugger awards to back this up. Gurriel is certainly hot and cold, however the hit tool is top notch and he appears to have settled into a new lower power high batting average approach. I don't see either of these guys presence in the lineup as an issue in the slightest.

 

Benintendi may have been a decent pickup, but it doesn't appear he can play center field anymore. It's a small sample size but he's struggled tremendously so far as a Yankee. Ian Happ wasn't moved at the deadline despite this being a true sellers market bringing back big returns, so the ask from the Cubs must have been pretty outlandish. The front office wasn't interested in moving out handful of elite prospects in the minor leagues this trade deadline, and without knowing what the asks were from other teams for more impactful lineup help it's hard to get terribly upset about the players who were brought in.

Edited August 7, 2022 by max silver

[Carlos Danger]

Given how close to the deadline the Merrifield acquisition was made I'm sure this was far from the first choice for the front office. It was definitely a headscratcher to move out Castillo given the lack of starting depth in the organization, but Taylor isn't likely somebody to lose any sleep over. The team didn't even protect him ahead of the rule 5 draft, and given the large number of prospects needing to be added to the 40 man roster this offseason it made a lot of sense to consolidate some of the more extraneous prospects into help for the big league roster. There was a pronounced need to attain outfield help given the tenuous Springer injury situation, so if moving out Castillo ended up being the only way to get this done then so be it.

 

You can certainly choose to call me a homer, optimist or whatever other descriptor you choose but I am a firm believer in both Teoscar and Gurriel offensively. If I recall correctly the only time Teo has really struggled since his breakout was this season after his IL stint. He's been one of baseballs best hitting outfielders dating back several seasons now and has several silver slugger awards to back this up. Gurriel is certainly hot and cold, however the hit tool is top notch and he appears to have settled into a new lower power high batting average approach. I don't see either of these guys presence in the lineup as an issue in the slightest.

 

Benintendi may have been a decent pickup, but it doesn't appear he can play center field anymore. It's a small sample size but he's struggled tremendously so far as

Yankee. Ian Happ wasn't moved at the deadline despite this being a true sellers market bringing back big returns, so the ask from the Cubs must have been pretty outlandish. The front office wasn't interested in moving out handful of elite prospects in the minor leagues this trade deadline, and without knowing what the asks were from other teams for more impactful lineup help it's hard to get terribly upset about the players who were brought in.

 

Ramon Laureno

[max silver]

Ramon Laureno

 

Laureano would have been an interesting pickup but there are reasons to argue for and against picking him up.

 

Cons include the fact that Laureano bats right handed and his defensive metrics in center field have really plummeted this season. He was busted for PED's as well so that's another strike against him. Acquisition cost likely would have been more painful as well.

 

Pros include the fact that he likely a better player for the rest of this season and moving forward compared to Merrifield and is cheaper/has more remaining years of control. It's hard to say whether Oakland was interested in moving him or not though given the cheap remaining years of control.

[Terminator]

Merrifield can play 2B though and if Espinal continues to suck there's a good chance that Merrifield will see a lot of time there when Springer is back. Laureano can't do that. Also, if Bo or Chapman gets hurt then Espinal can slide over there and Merrifield can play 2B. His versatility is going to come in really handy.

 

Giving up Castillo was a head scratcher with our SP depth but the Royals probably really wanted major league ready arms and he's really the only one the Jays have. It could have been as simple as the Royals saying ok if not Castillo then we need Zulueta or something like that.

 

I really think the Jays just decided to roll the dice on the SP depth this year because all the sellers wanted pitching prospects. The Jays are light on them and if they keep trading them they will never build up SP depth. By biting the bullet this year, they will have SP depth next year as both Zulueta and Tiedemman will be in AAA.

[Laika]

Merrifield can play 2B though and if Espinal continues to suck there's a good chance that Merrifield will see a lot of time there when Springer is back. Laureano can't do that. Also, if Bo or Chapman gets hurt then Espinal can slide over there and Merrifield can play 2B. His versatility is going to come in really handy.

 

Giving up Castillo was a head scratcher with our SP depth but the Royals probably really wanted major league ready arms and he's really the only one the Jays have. It could have been as simple as the Royals saying ok if not Castillo then we need Zulueta or something like that.

 

I really think the Jays just decided to roll the dice on the SP depth this year because all the sellers wanted pitching prospects. The Jays are light on them and if they keep trading them they will never build up SP depth. By biting the bullet this year, they will have SP depth next year as both Zulueta and Tiedemman will be in AAA.

 

Should be noted that NYY is taking the same approach rest of year on their rotation.

 

Cole

Cortes

Montas

Taillon - two TJS on resume

German - sucks

AAA - Clarke Schmidt, Deivi Garcia (sucks), Luis Gil (sucks)

Severino - done as starter in 2022?

 

I cannot be convinced that their depth chart is any better than Toronto's.

 

Gausman

Manoah

Berrios

White

Stripling

Kikuchi

Hatch and friends

 

The Montgomery - Bader trade was so weird...

 

Both teams are basically just praying they do not lose a big pitcher. Toronto's SPs have pretty clean injury histories though. I think?

[Dagagad]

Should be noted that NYY is taking the same approach rest of year on their rotation.

 

Cole

Cortes

Montas

Taillon - two TJS on resume

German - sucks

AAA - Clarke Schmidt, Deivi Garcia (sucks), Luis Gil (sucks)

Severino - done as starter in 2022?

 

I cannot be convinced that their depth chart is any better than Toronto's.

 

Gausman

Manoah

Berrios

White

Stripling

Kikuchi

Hatch and friends

 

The Montgomery - Bader trade was so weird...

 

Both teams are basically just praying they do not lose a big pitcher. Toronto's SPs have pretty clean injury histories though. I think?

 

The Yankees decision to trade Montgomery seems insane to me.

[jaysblue]

Should be noted that NYY is taking the same approach rest of year on their rotation.

 

Cole

Cortes

Montas

Taillon - two TJS on resume

German - sucks

AAA - Clarke Schmidt, Deivi Garcia (sucks), Luis Gil (sucks)

Severino - done as starter in 2022?

 

I cannot be convinced that their depth chart is any better than Toronto's.

 

Gausman

Manoah

Berrios

White

Stripling

Kikuchi

Hatch and friends

 

The Montgomery - Bader trade was so weird...

 

Both teams are basically just praying they do not lose a big pitcher. Toronto's SPs have pretty clean injury histories though. I think?

 

I do like Toronto's first three (Gausman, Manoah and Berrios) more than the Yankees (Cole, Cortes and Montas) in a Postseason series. For the Yankees, a healthy Severino will be the key, otherwise Gerrit Cole is pretty much their only true elite starter.

[max silver]

I do like Toronto's first three (Gausman, Manoah and Berrios) more than the Yankees (Cole, Cortes and Montas) in a Postseason series. For the Yankees, a healthy Severino will be the key, otherwise Gerrit Cole is pretty much their only true elite starter.

 

It seems very unlikely Severino is going to be sufficiently stretched out to start in the playoffs as he was recently placed on the 60 day IL. He still has elite stuff and will be a weapon out of the pen if he makes it back in time.

[Laika]

Yeah I really doubt they stretch him out. There won't be time.

[keggy]

I do like Toronto's first three (Gausman, Manoah and Berrios) more than the Yankees (Cole, Cortes and Montas) in a Postseason series. For the Yankees, a healthy Severino will be the key, otherwise Gerrit Cole is pretty much their only true elite starter.

 

Honestly, unless Berrios gets his s*** together soon, healthy Stripling might be our number 3.

[JFD]

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