General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2022)

[Olerud363]

I read on twitter today it's split 50/50 between the 2 teams, not sure if it's true, just saying.

 

So in that case there is no financial reason to be the home team.

[Olerud363]

Under the labor agreement for the 2021 season, the post-season total player bonus pool was made up of:

 

50% of the gate receipts from the wild-card games

60% of the gate receipts from the first three games of the division series

60% of the gate receipts from the first four games of the league championship series

60% of the gate receipts from the first four games of the World Series.

 

The playersÂ’ pool is then divided up among the teams in the postseason. For reference: For the 2021 World Series-winning Atlanta Braves, their shares of the postseason pool totaled $32,568,712. The value of a full share shifts depending on how many are awarded by a vote of the team. In the BravesÂ’ case, a share was worth $397,391. The team doled out 66 full shares, a total of 14.25 partial shares and 38 cash awards.

 

 

I cannot find if that formula has been tweaked at all with the expanded playoffs.

 

So if I understand correctly that is what the players get, but who gets the rest? The home team? Or do they split it between the 2 teams as Spanky indicated? Or just add it to a general revenue sharing pool?

 

I am trying to understand how much extra money the Jays organization would get for each playoff home game, and whether there is a financial incentive for them to have more home games.

[John_Havok]

So if I understand correctly that is what the players get, but who gets the rest? The home team? Or do they split it between the 2 teams as Spanky indicated? Or just add it to a general revenue sharing pool?

 

I am trying to understand how much extra money the Jays organization would get for each playoff home game, and whether there is a financial incentive for them to have more home games.

 

Basically, all the ticket revenue listed above gets pooled, then split up and given to each team after the playoffs based on how far each team made it. But, the losers of each playoff series only get to share in the part of the pool they made it to. Like the WC losing teams wont get to shre revenues from the Division Series and onward, and the division losers dont get to shre in League finals... etc. It's probably a pretty complicated formula

 

But to anwer your question, yes it would be better for every team for the Rays not to host anything since their attendance revenue is guaranteed to be less than everywhere else. But, the real incentive for the Jays having home field is so they win the damn series.

 

 

Also for reference, i posted above in 2021 what the BRaves got (32million+), Houston, the losers of the Worls Series ended up with $21,712,475. That's quite a gap from the winner to the loser. The wild card losing teams got 1.36 million each, Division series losers was 2.94 million, league Championship series losing teams got 10.9 million each.

Edited September 23, 2022 by John_Havok

[Stangstag]

Are we really arguing that this decision to push for homefield advantage is a financial move??

 

Come on guys it’s obviously a competitive advantage to play at home. The WC series in Tampa 2020 was a disaster

[John_Havok]

Are we really arguing that this decision to push for homefield advantage is a financial move??

 

Come on guys it’s obviously a competitive advantage to play at home. The WC series in Tampa 2020 was a disaster

 

Not really arguing for it because its a financial move, just looking to see what kind of financial impact it could have.

[BigCecil]

Yeah, something like that wouldn't be Schneider's call.

 

Home field is important, especially if facing the Rays, but not sure I'd make that trade off losing Manoah for the WC series. It's not even a guarantee the Jays win game 162 with Manoah on the mound, and I don't want 2022 Berrios anywhere near a mound during the WC series.

 

Very tough one. For all our lofty offensive numbers we have scored just over 3 runs/gm average against Rays, SEA and Yanks all season long.

 

They pitch us tough which means we need to match up or get very hot/lucky to beat them 2/3. Much lower probability without Manoah. Whats matters more? I get that home field equals some advantage and means more $ for franchise.

[glory]

Very tough one. For all our lofty offensive numbers we have scored just over 3 runs/gm average against Rays, SEA and Yanks all season long.

 

They pitch us tough which means we need to match up or get very hot/lucky to beat them 2/3. Much lower probability without Manoah. Whats matters more? I get that home field equals some advantage and means more $ for franchise.

 

Yeah, if the end result is a 3 game series in Tampa for the WC round, then I want Manoah, Gausman, and Stripling in the 3 games. If the Jays lose, then they lose, but go with your best. I still have a bad feeling that Berrios will be starting a Game 3 regardless, but I hope the Jays prove me wrong there.

[G-Snarls]

I want Manoah to start one of rhe first two games of rhe wildcard series no matter what

 

Anything that jeapordizes that is unacceptable

[G-Snarls]

Moanoah and Gausman 1-2 is top notch. Comparable to most playoff teams 1-2.

 

Who would even be better? I'd say probably only:

 

Verlander/Valdez

deGrom/Scherzer

 

It's probably as good as:

 

Castillo/Ray

McClanahan + ???

Cole and Cortes

Gonsolin/Urias

Bieber/McKenzie

Fried + Morton or Strider?

Top 2 Padres - who do they pick even they've been so up and down

[Laika]

Moanoah and Gausman 1-2 is top notch. Comparable to most playoff teams 1-2.

 

Who would even be better? I'd say probably only:

 

Verlander/Valdez

deGrom/Scherzer

 

It's probably as good as:

 

Castillo/Ray

McClanahan + ???

Cole and Cortes

Gonsolin/Urias

Bieber/McKenzie

Fried + Morton or Strider?

Top 2 Padres - who do they pick even they've been so up and down

 

Nola + Wheeler is really good too

 

It's pretty hard to even pick favourites. Most of these teams have a very strong top 2

[G-Snarls]

Nola + Wheeler is really good too

 

It's pretty hard to even pick favourites. Most of these teams have a very strong top 2

 

Forgot Phillies yes

 

Yeah, most have a strong top 2. Obviously a huge part of the reason they're making the post season in the first place.

[Spanky99]

So in that case there is no financial reason to be the home team.

 

Financially no, but TV and concessions go to the home team, I believe.

[Spanky99]

Are we really arguing that this decision to push for homefield advantage is a financial move??

 

Come on guys it’s obviously a competitive advantage to play at home. The WC series in Tampa 2020 was a disaster

 

No doubt, 10th man and all that.

[Spanky99]

TIL Espinal's on the IL? Hmm...

[Jonn]

Getting subjected to another Mitch White start is tough. Hopefully the bats come out tonight

[Brownie19]

Getting subjected to another Mitch White start is tough. Hopefully the bats come out tonight

 

He was good his last time out. So much hate for the guy.

[Stangstag]

TIL Espinal's on the IL? Hmm...

 

Just yesterday… at least we still have Merrifield/Biggio for 2nd. Time for Whit to step it up

[Stangstag]

He was good his last time out. So much hate for the guy.

 

Yeah he had a couple really bad outings where he had some really bad babip luck and people hate him. He’s mostly been good/serviceable

[Solaxys]

Bo 2 spot, Vlad 3 spot today

[Jonn]

Yeah he had a couple really bad outings where he had some really bad babip luck and people hate him. He’s mostly been good/serviceable

 

His WHIP is 1.70 as a Blue Jay. And I don’t think giving up rockets into the gaps is bad luck but to each their own.

[Stangstag]

Bo 2 spot, Vlad 3 spot today

 

I didn't even notice lol. Ok then

[keggy]

Right but there are like no games left.

 

For 2022... keeping him in the minors does not help AT ALL in figuring out if he can help the team in the playoffs.

 

I think we're out of roster space for the near future. In my opinion White needs to stay up to cover one of the Yankees games.

 

The only guy with options is Pop, who is clearly more reliable than Pearson until proven otherwise. If you option Pop now, you've basically lost him for the rest of the regular season.

 

I think they need to keep Pearson down until an audition during the final series of the season at the earliest. Maybe even just the final game. That way you keep Pop for the stretch run, and you can still roster both of them for the playoffs.

[Spanky99]

Just yesterday… at least we still have Merrifield/Biggio for 2nd. Time for Whit to step it up

 

He kind of did yesterday.

[jaysblue]

Yeah he had a couple really bad outings where he had some really bad babip luck and people hate him. He’s mostly been good/serviceable

 

He's a serviceable No. 5 starter and nothing more on a team with World Series aspirations. Has posted a 1.2 WAR thus far this season. His K/9 rate in the second half has dipped though. He's definitely a better option than Kikuchi.

[mellowgold]

Obviously a very small sample but old friend Groshans has had a solid few games to start his career.

[Olerud363]

Obviously a very small sample but old friend Groshans has had a solid few games to start his career.

 

Really? He popped a homer and is hitting .290, but even still his slugging is still only .387. Kind of hitting as would be expected.

[Laika]

The stat to watch with Groshans is max EV

 

If he starts to pop the odd ball over 110 mph then he’s interesting

[BigCecil]

His WHIP is 1.70 as a Blue Jay. And I don’t think giving up rockets into the gaps is bad luck but to each their own.

 

xERA of 4.06 and an xFIP of 4.33 FIP 3.77 and a 5.12 ERA

 

White's not been horrendous for a 5th but he seems like has been giving up basically a run/inning for us! Seems unlucky in some ways BABIP wise, but also lucky on FBs.

[BigCecil]

Perusing the 2022 WAR Leaderboards and thinking about value contribution/future contracts for this team.

 

- Semien at 2B has been worth the same WAR as a white hot Bo playing SS

 

- Elvis Andrus is worth more WAR than Vladdy's 3.1 (93rd) Goldy and Freeman have 7 each.

 

I think this ownership is going to more cautious given the Berrios/Kooch/Ryu/Roark value/$ so far. Gausman and Springer so far you could argue have been very good value, but the back end could be rough.

[G-Snarls]

Kirk second best in the AL for BA with 2 strikes at. 271