General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2022)

[Jays333]

Wow in a little over 2 weeks this team went from the first wildcard team, 3 games up, could have made a historic comeback to catch the struggling Yanks. To a complete freefall, half game away from being out of the playoffs in the MLB's revised super wild card system. Likely tomorrow we will be chasing the O's for the final wildcard. What a dumpster fire

[MikeM3]

Why did we dump Bryan Baker again? Did he miss too many bats or something?

[BlueJaysFever]

The lineup is interesting today.

 

1. Chapman

2. Guerrero

3. Gurriel

4. Kirk

5. Hernandez

6. Bichette

7. Tapia

8. Espinal

9. Jansen

[Stangstag]

The lineup is interesting today.

 

1. Chapman

2. Guerrero

3. Gurriel

4. Kirk

5. Hernandez

6. Bichette

7. Tapia

8. Espinal

9. Jansen

 

Chapman should have been leading off the entire time Springer was out. I like it

[Laika]

Chapman should have been leading off the entire time Springer was out. I like it

 

Why? Just because he's been on a heater?

 

I guess that makes enough sense but by both projections and characteristics I'd think Teoscar would be a better choice. If, of course, the team does not want Guerrero to hit leadoff and Kirk is seen as too slow lol.

[Brownie19]

The lineup is interesting today.

 

1. Chapman

2. Guerrero

3. Gurriel

4. Kirk

5. Hernandez

6. Bichette

7. Tapia

8. Espinal

9. Jansen

 

Statistics suggest you should bat your best hitters 1st, 2nd and 4th. Chapman has definitely been one of our best for several months now, so getting him more at bats makes a lot of sense.

 

Interestingly enough, checkout these wRC+ numbers since June 1st

 

Vlad - 158

Teo - 151

Chapman - 147

LGJ - 146

Kirk - 138

Biggio - 120

Tapia - 119

Springer - 106

Bo - 104

Espy - 98

[Solaxys]

Gotta lock up Vlad this offseason. Better to do it this year than wait for another MVP breakout.

If a 4-5 WAR season is his 'down year', and the only thing he needs to fix is not pulling outside pitches into groundballs, then f*** it. Lock him up.

 

Teo might become too expensive but I wonder if LGJ would take a team-friendly extension until 2026.

[Laika]

Gotta lock up Vlad this offseason. Better to do it this year than wait for another MVP breakout.

If a 4-5 WAR season is his 'down year', and the only thing he needs to fix is not pulling outside pitches into groundballs, then f*** it. Lock him up.

 

Teo might become too expensive but I wonder if LGJ would take a team-friendly extension until 2026.

 

do we really want to extend LGJ? check the fWARz bruh

[BlueJaysFever]

Statistics suggest you should bat your best hitters 1st, 2nd and 4th. Chapman has definitely been one of our best for several months now, so getting him more at bats makes a lot of

 

I'm aware.

 

Using a 2.5 month sample to explain a multi-day lineup shuffle isn't terribly useful. I think it's more about shaking things up for a different look on the whole and trying to get Chapman going again after an awful August to-date.

[Solaxys]

do we really want to extend LGJ? check the fWARz bruh

 

Whatever he did this year has been interesting - stance/mechanics wise

April was abysmal but May to now has been some elite OBP #s with a below league average K rate (by ~2%).

Lost a lot of power to become a better contact hitter and I don't know if it can be called a streak if it has lasted for 3.5 months.

 

Might be worth if we can get him cheap. Not like we have anyone in the minors who can make a serious impact at that position unless they are actually committed to Horwitz.

[MikeM3]

I'm extending no one. Would think hard about Vlad if it's favourable. Everyone else I'd trade and sign cheap LHBs off the scrap heap.

 

I like our catchers better than the other position players but a foul tip and their career is over.

[Laika]

I'm extending no one. Would think hard about Vlad if it's favourable. Everyone else I'd trade and sign cheap LHBs off the scrap heap.

 

I like our catchers better than the other position players but a foul tip and their career is over.

 

I'd extend Manoah

Vlad

Teoscar if it's a sweetheart deal

Moreno if his agent is a moron

[MikeM3]

I'd extend Manoah

Vlad

Teoscar if it's a sweetheart deal

Moreno if his agent is a moron

 

I think I'd extend Chapman before Teo but isn't he with Boras now so forget it. Agree on Manoah and Moreno.

 

I'd also trade Guerrero if a godfather offer came.

[G-Snarls]

Statistics suggest you should bat your best hitters 1st, 2nd and 4th. Chapman has definitely been one of our best for several months now, so getting him more at bats makes a lot of sense.

 

Interestingly enough, checkout these wRC+ numbers since June 1st

 

Vlad - 158

Teo - 151

Chapman - 147

LGJ - 146

Kirk - 138

Biggio - 120

Tapia - 119

Springer - 106

Bo - 104

Espy - 98

 

That's fantastic and those kind of numbers should represent a top offense clearly with no one worse than league average and most well above.

 

So with those performances how come it feels like we're scoring so few runs? Some guys maybe are padded by those two weeks they scored a ton?

[Stangstag]

That's fantastic and those kind of numbers should represent a top offense clearly with no one worse than league average and most well above.

 

So with those performances how come it feels like we're scoring so few runs? Some guys maybe are padded by those two weeks they scored a ton?

 

Pretty sure the bats have just all been cold at the same time since the Twins series

[Brownie19]

Pretty sure the bats have just all been cold at the same time since the Twins series

 

Vlad, Bo and Espy are all hitting well during this timeframe (wRC+ of 157, 146 and 160). Biggio, LGR are just below league average (98, 95) and Chapman has cooled off (92). Springer's at 147, but in only 3 games. Kirk, Whit, Tapia and Jansen - all s***. Probably not as bad as one would have expected.

[Stangstag]

Vlad, Bo and Espy are all hitting well during this timeframe (wRC+ of 157, 146 and 160). Biggio, LGR are just below league average (98, 95) and Chapman has cooled off (92). Springer's at 147, but in only 3 games. Kirk, Whit, Tapia and Jansen - all s***. Probably not as bad as one would have expected.

 

Hmmm. I guess just bad timely hitting? That seems like some kinda bad luck thing that normally corrects itself

[BlueJaysFever]

Kikuchi in the pen sighting.

[Jonn]

Kikuchi in the pen sighting.

 

I would rather see Kikuchi on the waiver wire sighting

[Ehjays]

I would rather see Kikuchi on the waiver wire sighting

 

Exactly, because eventually he has to come in the game.

[AMS528]

So it's not unreasonable to think that if we were to manage to make the playoffs, based on what we've seen to this point, Stripling would pitch over Berrios right?

 

Besides the odd game here and there, Berrios has been consistently bad this year. He has a track record sure, but sometimes, once you've got a decent sample that's less relevant. He's not underperforming based on his peripherals and he's getting hit very hard. I just don't have much faith in him for the rest of this season.

 

Stripling also isn't overperforming significantly either.

[Laika]

So it's not unreasonable to think that if we were to manage to make the playoffs, based on what we've seen to this point, Stripling would pitch over Berrios right?

 

Besides the odd game here and there, Berrios has been consistently bad this year. He has a track record sure, but sometimes, once you've got a decent sample that's less relevant. He's not underperforming based on his peripherals and he's getting hit very hard. I just don't have much faith in him for the rest of this season.

 

Stripling also isn't overperforming significantly either.

 

I think absolutely he should. And... probably would?

[L54]

So it's not unreasonable to think that if we were to manage to make the playoffs, based on what we've seen to this point, Stripling would pitch over Berrios right?

 

Besides the odd game here and there, Berrios has been consistently bad this year. He has a track record sure, but sometimes, once you've got a decent sample that's less relevant. He's not underperforming based on his peripherals and he's getting hit very hard. I just don't have much faith in him for the rest of this season.

 

Stripling also isn't overperforming significantly either.

 

Yes. Not unreasonable

 

Berrios might get game 4 in a 7 game series

 

Otherwise you roll with Gausman Manoah and Strip

[glory]

Stripling should be ahead of Berrios (at this moment) but I doubt they’d actually do it. If the Jays make the Wild Card game and it goes to game 3, I think the team gives the ball to Berrios.

[John_Havok]

Stripling should be ahead of Berrios (at this moment) but I doubt they’d actually do it. If the Jays make the Wild Card game and it goes to game 3, I think the team gives the ball to Berrios.

 

I think who they go to in that hypothetical will largely depend on what happens between now ... and that hypothetical game.

 

I think if the WC happened right now, and it was 1-1 and all 4 of White, Berrios, Strip and Kikuchi were ready, i truly think they'd go to Stripling right now. If Berrios has that "a-ha!" moment and figures out why he's been crap and puts in consistant performances akin to his past performances prior to this season, he'd be the guy, with Strip or White ready to jump in at the slightest hint of trouble.

[Solaxys]

[Stangstag]

 

Perfect

[Solaxys]

[MikeM3]

So it's not unreasonable to think that if we were to manage to make the playoffs, based on what we've seen to this point, Stripling would pitch over Berrios right?

 

Besides the odd game here and there, Berrios has been consistently bad this year. He has a track record sure, but sometimes, once you've got a decent sample that's less relevant. He's not underperforming based on his peripherals and he's getting hit very hard. I just don't have much faith in him for the rest of this season.

 

Stripling also isn't overperforming significantly either.

 

You can't start Berrios against a team with good LHBs. That's just suicide right now. It's a tougher choice against good RHBs because he has way better stuff than Stripling against RHBs.

[bones10]

lets sweep the Yankees. Jomboy was showing off some stats on twitter the other day saying the Yankees have been very suspectiable to the slider with recent injuries to key players. Manoah, Berrios and Gausman hopefully can take advantage of that.