General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2022)

[Olerud363]

Trade good prospects soon for pen arms. Absolutely trade Jansen to any contender for relievers.

 

Accept that our window will be shorter because our front office isnÂ’t super good at developing pitching.

 

Maybe theyÂ’ve turned it around in the low minors and the last few drafts but the window is open right now. Spend the resources and accept the shorter window.

 

How long do you think the Window should be? Seems like if they are going to go to the end with Bo and Guerrero it's 3 more years after this one.

 

Is it worth it to make short term trades at this point? Or do you make trades that benefit for 3 years?

 

What if you could trade Stripling, Hernandez, Gurriel, Jansen to contenders for an assortment of players with more control, or prospects in the high minors that could help for 3 years. Is there a scenario you do that? What if on July 3, they are 4 games back of the playoff spot. Do you try to make the team stronger for the next 3 runs?

[Jaysareus]

Umpire scorecard said the missed balls and strike calls actually favored the jays last night.

[Dagagad]

How long do you think the Window should be? Seems like if they are going to go to the end with Bo and Guerrero it's 3 more years after this one.

 

Is it worth it to make short term trades at this point? Or do you make trades that benefit for 3 years?

 

What if you could trade Stripling, Hernandez, Gurriel, Jansen to contenders for an assortment of players with more control, or prospects in the high minors that could help for 3 years. Is there a scenario you do that? What if on July 3, they are 4 games back of the playoff spot. Do you try to make the team stronger for the next 3 runs?

 

I’ve always seen our window as at least 5 years including this one and last year.

 

I think trading good prospects for relief help has the chance of reducing that window by a year at least. It’s just a bad use of resources and reduces what you can do in future years.

 

I’d trade Jansen. We need the others now.

 

If they are 4 games back at the deadline, you have to go for it. 7-10 games back, trade guys without much control for future assets.

[Spanky99]

If you can’t create your own, we need to trade for them. It sucks to be in a division with the best front offices and to just have a good one but we just need to accept a shortened window and make the trades.

 

The Yanks have developed almost their entire pen, save for Chapman and Britton, that's crazy.

 

2 outs nobody on up 2 runs, Romano has to go fastball middle middle, frustrating.

[Eat My Shatkins]

God what a frustrating season so far.

 

Other than the one big win streak it feels like the ship has always had a leak somewhere.

 

Leaky rotation, leaky bullpen, inconsistent offense

 

Feels like they've left a lot on the table but are still in an OK spot for the time being.

 

Extra frustrated today because the Jays s***** bullpen only really has two legit high leverage relievers, and both of thenm f***ing blew it last night.

 

f***

[BigCecil]

Thank god they DID spend money on Yimi Garcia. lol

 

lol. I agree. My point was more about a lack of clarity and/or success in approach. The Yimi deal was just seemed like a weird outlier. Chatwood was similar but cheaper I guess. But I am glad we have Yimi. He is a pretty useful arm that makes the pen less mediocre.

[Spanky99]

Springer IL incoming, or Moreno going down for arms... hmm...

 

[wilko]

Springer IL incoming, or Moreno going down for arms... hmm...

 

 

IL because of his elbow?

[Spanky99]

IL because of his elbow?

 

IDK... I'm just guessing, but there's a reason they flew Collins into Chicago.

[Jimcanuck]

IDK... I'm just guessing, but there's a reason they flew Collins into Chicago.

 

Trade negotiations in full swing? If they need Collins, potentially Kirk or Moreno are being discussed.

[Spanky99]

Trade negotiations in full swing? If they need Collins, potentially Kirk or Moreno are being discussed.

 

I just found this... only Longley reported this?

 

[Olerud363]

IÂ’ve always seen our window as at least 5 years including this one and last year.

 

I think trading good prospects for relief help has the chance of reducing that window by a year at least. ItÂ’s just a bad use of resources and reduces what you can do in future years.

 

IÂ’d trade Jansen. We need the others now.

 

If they are 4 games back at the deadline, you have to go for it. 7-10 games back, trade guys without much control for future assets.

 

Aren't Gurriel and Hernandez free agents after 2023? So they aren't part of 24/25 anyway.

 

I think Tampa Bay and Boston are still ahead for this year. Need to retool a bit for the next 3 years. More lefty bats, better relievers. I would retool if they are 4 games back. That puts them basically needing another 2015 to 2021 run over the last 2 months... and despite a great run 2021 didn't work.

 

I think a bad showing over the Canada Day weekend and fans will be screaming for a re-tool anyway. Gurriel/Hernandez/Stripling/Jansen and maybe some prospects for relievers and lefty bats that can help for 2023-25.

[Spanky99]

[Spanky99]

[Stangstag]

Aren't Gurriel and Hernandez free agents after 2023? So they aren't part of 24/25 anyway.

 

I think Tampa Bay and Boston are still ahead for this year. Need to retool a bit for the next 3 years. More lefty bats, better relievers. I would retool if they are 4 games back. That puts them basically needing another 2015 to 2021 run over the last 2 months... and despite a great run 2021 didn't work.

 

I think a bad showing over the Canada Day weekend and fans will be screaming for a re-tool anyway. Gurriel/Hernandez/Stripling/Jansen and maybe some prospects for relievers and lefty bats that can help for 2023-25.

 

Jays are better than Tampa and Boston. Not making the playoffs this year would be a MASSIVE failure. We haven’t even had any major injuries at this point (Ryu, but whatever).

 

If they sell at the deadline then there need to be some firings in the coaching staff/front office.

 

Charlie, Atkins, etc.

 

I don’t think this would be an overreaction. Jays were projected to be a top 5 team this year. I believe they still are. I’m confident they make the playoffs. Can’t sell at the deadline.

[Stangstag]

 

Collins catching once or twice a week because they expect Kirk to DH more often??

 

Springer’s elbow is either bad enough he can’t even DH, or maybe they think he can go on the DL for a week and be ready to play the outfield when he comes back. Not sure why the right elbow would affect his hitting much as a RHH.

 

I guess we’ll see if he plays at all in Milwaukee

[Spanky99]

Collins catching once or twice a week because they expect Kirk to DH more often??

 

Springer’s elbow is either bad enough he can’t even DH, or maybe they think he can go on the DL for a week and be ready to play the outfield when he comes back. Not sure why the right elbow would affect his hitting much as a RHH.

 

I guess we’ll see if he plays at all in Milwaukee

 

Anyone's guess, but it's obvious he's hurt if he can't DH today. Ah well, Kirk's DHing at least.

[Stangstag]

Anyone's guess, but it's obvious he's hurt if he can't DH today. Ah well, Kirk's DHing at least.

 

I guess we’ll see if he’s good to go Friday after 2 days off… but I can’t say I’m confident.

[glory]

Montoyo finally playing 2 catchers again because it doesn't impact his ability to put Tapia into the lineup. I see right through you Charlie.

[Spanky99]

I guess we’ll see if he’s good to go Friday after 2 days off… but I can’t say I’m confident.

 

We'll certainly know before this game starts, Anderson's likely with them for the weekend for sure.

[Spanky99]

Montoyo finally playing 2 catchers again because it doesn't impact his ability to put Tapia into the lineup. I see right through you Charlie.

 

Tapia hasn't hurt this club for quite a while now.

[Deadpool]

Tapia hasn't hurt this club for quite a while now.

 

Yeah, even his outfield adventures haven't been painful on the scoreboard, just painful to watch.

 

Unless you enjoy pirouettes, then they're f***in' spectacular!

[Laika]

Since May 21 Tapia is hitting .303/.321/.500 good for a .353 wOBA

 

And that is STILL only good enough for a 0.2 fWAR in that span, making him the worst player on the team since that date. lmao.

 

Zack Collins in 7 PA and Moreno in 25 PA both have the same amount of fWAR as the good version of Rocket Raimel accumulated in 79 PA

 

-3.4 defensive runs in the last month ahha

[Stangstag]

Yeah, even his outfield adventures haven't been painful on the scoreboard, just painful to watch.

 

Unless you enjoy pirouettes, then they're f***in' spectacular!

 

And push ups

[Spanky99]

And there we have it.

 

[AMS528]

Well that f***ing sucks. Hopefully it's nothing too major.

 

Somehow, even though we're doing ok and should make the playoffs this season feels disappointing.

 

Between the Yankees being ridiculous, injuries, and drop offs in play for a few guys it just feels like things are not very good relative to expectations at the start of the season. And of course the bullpen being mediocre for yet another season adds to the frustration.

[HERPDERP]

I haven't had a chance to watch any games in the past 2 weeks - did Springer's injury come from a swing? HBP?

[John_Havok]

Since May 21 Tapia is hitting .303/.321/.500 good for a .353 wOBA

 

And that is STILL only good enough for a 0.2 fWAR in that span, making him the worst player on the team since that date. lmao.

 

Zack Collins in 7 PA and Moreno in 25 PA both have the same amount of fWAR as the good version of Rocket Raimel accumulated in 79 PA

 

-3.4 defensive runs in the last month ahha

 

Tapia is the anti-Espinal ..... Espy hitting like crap, still amazing D and contributing well into the positive for wins.

 

Tapia, hits well for a month, still plays garbage D and still below replacement level.

 

Cut bait with this clown already. I'd rather run Zimmer out there 100% of the time Tapia is being played right now.

[jaysblue]

Well that f***ing sucks. Hopefully it's nothing too major.

 

Somehow, even though we're doing ok and should make the playoffs this season feels disappointing.

 

Between the Yankees being ridiculous, injuries, and drop offs in play for a few guys it just feels like things are not very good relative to expectations at the start of the season. And of course the bullpen being mediocre for yet another season adds to the frustration.

 

Jays were way overhyped entering the season. Yes they were still good enough of paper to make the Postseason and still are. But this isn't a World Series team. Roster still had some holes, but they were dismissed by the FO and mainstream media and even some fans/posters on here. Didn't have a deep bench at all, mediocre bullpen that was patched together with no thought. Yes the lineup was amazing, and the rotation was upgraded with the addition of Kevin Gausman. Otherwise, they could have done more during the offseason or ST to address these potential issues that have occurred mid-season. Instead, the Jays will be looking to spend valuable assets on BP arms or bench options rather than going after a big bat or arm that could really be a difference maker this season and long term.

[connorp]

They also like to get RPs that aren’t doing well, which makes sense in a vacuum to buy low, but less sense in the stretch run of a playoff race