General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2022)

[Terminator]

I found this gem on Berrios since some people here like to ignore ERA and WHIP and come back with a bunch of progressive stats in his defense.

Jose Berrios (SP, Toronto Blue Jays)

I can hear Berrios managers right now, saying “are you telling me that he has been lucky to have a 4.83 ERA”. Well, yes. The right-hander has watched nearly all of his metrics trend in the wrong direction this season, including his strikeout rate (15.3 percent), average exit velocity allowed (91.3 mph) and hard contact rate (47.1 percent). He currently owns a 6.84 xERA, and in 10-team leagues he is becoming a candidate to be released.

 

^When you're trying to troll but you actually post some very useful information. Thanks Junior

[keggy]

What do you guys sincerely think is wrong with the Blue Jays?

 

The vast majority of the offense is underperforming projections. Some of them, by a wide margin.

 

Is it something in the collective approach? Bo Bichette is, for example, not only a hacker but he hits a lot of opposite field fly balls - probably a bad idea with the deadened ball. Alejandro Kirk, same type of flyball patterns and he's not the type of guy to hit opposite field homers with a dead ball. Vlad - lots of oppo flyballs. Teoscar, same thing?

 

Why don't these f***ers just yank dingers the old fashioned way like Danny Jansen?

 

Slapia is one of the worst qualified hitters literally in all of baseball. Not giving him ABs 6 games a week will help a lot. Most of the other bats will come around.

[BTS]

Slapia is one of the worst qualified hitters literally in all of baseball. Not giving him ABs 6 games a week will help a lot. Most of the other bats will come around.

 

Holy crap I just realized Tapia has 119 PA this year.

[bones10]

What do you guys sincerely think is wrong with the Blue Jays?

 

The vast majority of the offense is underperforming projections. Some of them, by a wide margin.

 

Is it something in the collective approach? Bo Bichette is, for example, not only a hacker but he hits a lot of opposite field fly balls - probably a bad idea with the deadened ball. Alejandro Kirk, same type of flyball patterns and he's not the type of guy to hit opposite field homers with a dead ball. Vlad - lots of oppo flyballs. Teoscar, same thing?

 

Why don't these f***ers just yank dingers the old fashioned way like Danny Jansen?

 

Was this not the same song and dance Bo had to start the season last year, I haven't looked at the numbers but I distinctly remember a lot of infuriating ABs for Bo to start the season last year as well. Gurriel is also a streaky as f*** hitter always has been so hard to say.

 

Idk if the offence is underperforming massively and they're still above .500 I don't think that's terrible. It's would be a literal miracle for the Yankees to have judge and Stanton both play full seasons so I could see them cooling off quite a bit. Also they must be almost f***ing done with the Orioles at this point, seems like every week they've played them.

[Omar]

What do you guys sincerely think is wrong with the Blue Jays?

 

This team as a whole has a terrible approach at the plate. This terrible approach coupled with the fact that when they do make contact it is not impactful. The eye test is enough, but drilling down they are at or near the bottom third in all baseball in:

on base %

babip

secondary average (due to terrible plate discipline mostly)

walk % (see secondary average)

OPS (not bottom third but give it another week)

 

Is it s*** luck? Slow start and our players will revert to their career mean eventually? I don't know. But you have to put some of this failed approach at the plate on the coaching staff and also Montoyo. The ab's by Gurriel, Bichette, Chapman have been brutally bad. Tapia and Zimmer don't even merit a mention.

[Laika]

Was this not the same song and dance Bo had to start the season last year, I haven't looked at the numbers but I distinctly remember a lot of infuriating ABs for Bo to start the season last year as well. Gurriel is also a streaky as f*** hitter always has been so hard to say.

 

Idk if the offence is underperforming massively and they're still above .500 I don't think that's terrible. It's would be a literal miracle for the Yankees to have judge and Stanton both play full seasons so I could see them cooling off quite a bit. Also they must be almost f***ing done with the Orioles at this point, seems like every week they've played them.

 

They are 23rd in run scored... this was supposed to be one of the most fearsome offenses in baseball, if not the best lineup in the AL.

[Krylian]

They are 23rd in run scored... this was supposed to be one of the most fearsome offenses in baseball, if not the best lineup in the AL.

 

If only the game was played on paper

[Solaxys]

For the top 4, largely pitch selection - chasing outside pitches (Teo - man has he been ugly since return; Springer with RISP - trying too hard, what is it now north of 45% K rate?; Bo just being Bo - he got better) and Vlad choosing to hit outside/up pitches (due to ump or otherwise) which leads to groundouts (2020 Vlad). Until this section gets fixed, we are going to struggle.

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For Kirk - he just couldn't get timing down, finally got it.

For Chapman - he looked lost a lot of the time (timing, no gameplan etc.) but got better and getting contact now

For Gurriel - since his stance change, he got better with pitch recognition (as intended) but looks like he lost power and timing

 

Tapia/Zimmer - who got way too many ABs cause of load management and injuries - pretty self-explanatory.

Montoyo - with these egregious lineups and refusing to better the lineup cause 'comfort' or some BS

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I am sure there are stats to either prove or disprove the above, but I am too lazy and the above feelycraft sounds reasonable to me

[BigCecil]

This team as a whole has a terrible approach at the plate. This terrible approach coupled with the fact that when they do make contact it is not impactful. The eye test is enough, but drilling down they are at or near the bottom third in all baseball in:

on base %

babip

secondary average (due to terrible plate discipline mostly)

walk % (see secondary average)

OPS (not bottom third but give it another week)

 

Is it s*** luck? Slow start and our players will revert to their career mean eventually? I don't know. But you have to put some of this failed approach at the plate on the coaching staff and also Montoyo. The ab's by Gurriel, Bichette, Chapman have been brutally bad. Tapia and Zimmer don't even merit a mention.

 

Its the never ending chase rate. In...away...away...away...in...away...away...away. Rinse. Repeat. Why throw a strike? Let them get themselves out.

 

Too many AB's count leverage advantages changed by chase. Too many fastballs missed when they do leak over plate.

 

I know its going to come around but I'm sick of saying this and telling myself this.

[Spanky99]

Its the never ending chase rate. In...away...away...away...in...away...away...away. Rinse. Repeat. Why throw a strike? Let them get themselves out.

 

Too many AB's count leverage advantages changed by chase. Too many fastballs missed when they do leak over plate.

 

I know its going to come around but I'm sick of saying this and telling myself this.

 

Really frustrating, and we're almost a 3rd of the way in, thank god for the rotation so far, pen, not so much. OOF!!!

[max silver]

Really frustrating, and we're almost a 3rd of the way in, thank god for the rotation so far, pen, not so much. OOF!!!

 

The pen was very solid early on and was a huge part of why the club was able to win so many one run games. Lately the pen has unfortunately joined the offence in being a huge tire fire. I keep telling myself the club will start hitting on all cylinders at some point but they are going to run out of time eventually.

[Spanky99]

The pen was very solid early on and was a huge part of why the club was able to win so many one run games. Lately the pen has unfortunately joined the offence in being a huge tire fire. I keep telling myself the club will start hitting on all cylinders at some point but they are going to run out of time eventually.

 

Yes, I knew that. We're all hoping for that offense to wake up...

[Stangstag]

The pen was very solid early on and was a huge part of why the club was able to win so many one run games. Lately the pen has unfortunately joined the offence in being a huge tire fire. I keep telling myself the club will start hitting on all cylinders at some point but they are going to run out of time eventually.

 

The 2021 team was only 4 games above .500 at the end of July. Ended up winning 91 games. It probably won’t even take 91 wins to make the playoffs this year.

 

They still have time to right the ship. Bats need to get going. Just keep winning series and it’ll be fine.

[Ray]

They are 23rd in run scored... this was supposed to be one of the most fearsome offenses in baseball, if not the best lineup in the AL.

 

It’s definitely a weird season so far. The White Sox were supposed to be one of the best offenses in the league as well, and they are 26th in runs scored per game.

 

Their drop in performance is actually somewhat explainable though. Grandal, Pollock, Harrison, Abreu, are all old, so a decline isn’t that unusual. The younger position players in Tim Anderson, Andrew Vaughn, & Luis Robert are doing well enough. Moncada is a high variance player who yo-yos between good and meh seasons. Eloy injured, as is tradition.

[BigCecil]

The pen was very solid early on and was a huge part of why the club was able to win so many one run games. Lately the pen has unfortunately joined the offence in being a huge tire fire. I keep telling myself the club will start hitting on all cylinders at some point but they are going to run out of time eventually.

 

Yep. 21 was a low bar and 22 is better, but I have never liked our pen. With Mayza hurt and Romano V inconsistent its even thinner on what limited swing and miss we had for leverage. Praying for Pearson and Merryweather to come back effective is just not a strategy for success when competing with other top teams. Phelps, Garcia, Richards. GULP. This pen also needs an offence to survive.

[Olerud363]

What do you guys sincerely think is wrong with the Blue Jays?

 

The vast majority of the offense is underperforming projections. Some of them, by a wide margin.

 

Is it something in the collective approach? Bo Bichette is, for example, not only a hacker but he hits a lot of opposite field fly balls - probably a bad idea with the deadened ball. Alejandro Kirk, same type of flyball patterns and he's not the type of guy to hit opposite field homers with a dead ball. Vlad - lots of oppo flyballs. Teoscar, same thing?

 

Why don't these f***ers just yank dingers the old fashioned way like Danny Jansen?

 

Bo won 2 games with opposite field homeruns though... like half his homeruns are opposite field. He led the league in opposite field hits last year, and I believe is among the leaders this year. His opposite field outcomes are good, I think. I bet the same is true of Vlad and Springer, and Kirk.

 

Perhaps problem is pull outcomes, not pull percentages. It's not that their hitting oppo too much, it's that when they pull the ball they are not having great outcomes.

 

Also... they do not want to be pulling fly balls when they get to Camden yards. That place is rigged against Jays/Sox/Yanks. Meant to destroy Vlad, Judge, Stanton, Bo, Springer, Martinez, Bogaertz and make Orioles win 2-1

 

Hasn't been working because Judged popped some to center and right. They also pulled some 400 singles. Vlad will get some long singles at the Camden probably.

[Jimcanuck]

Jays are going to pull a 2021 Atlanta

[Stangstag]

Jays are going to pull a 2021 Atlanta

 

Or a 2011 Cards. Also 2019 Nats.

[Solaxys]

 

Mahle wasn't scheduled to pitch against us.

 

They call up Graham Ashcraft (RHP), Taylor Motter (IF) and Aristides Aquino (OF) but I suppose can't call up anyone for Mahle due to competitive advantage)

[Stangstag]

 

Mahle wasn't scheduled to pitch against us.

 

They call up Graham Ashcraft (RHP), Taylor Motter (IF) and Aristides Aquino (OF) but I suppose can't call up anyone for Mahle due to competitive advantage)

 

Brandon Drury lol

[Spanky99]

Brandon Drury lol

 

Checkout his stats, he's been a quality bat thus far.

[Stangstag]

Does George really have to DH after an offday so we can get BOTH Tapia and Zimmer in the lineup??

 

Jesus christ man, giving way too many at bats to scrubs already this year.

[Spanky99]

Does George really have to DH after an offday so we can get BOTH Tapia and Zimmer in the lineup??

 

Jesus christ man, giving way too many at bats to scrubs already this year.

 

Ugghhh...

[glory]

Does George really have to DH after an offday so we can get BOTH Tapia and Zimmer in the lineup??

 

Jesus christ man, giving way too many at bats to scrubs already this year.

 

Buntoyo will find a way to give the worst position player on the team as many PA's as possible. It's just the way he manages. Panik, Tapia, it doesn't matter. Next season it will be someone else.

[Spanky99]

Woof...

 

[Deadpool]

Woof...

 

 

Any chance we could have Ryu bat instead of Zimmer?

[Omar]

Woof...

 

 

What fresh hell is this!?

[Spanky99]

 

 

[Omar]

 

[Omar]

Springer is on pace to dh about 35-40 games this season. Looks like they are sticking to a plan and Montoyo has to go along. Edited May 20, 2022 by Omar