Jays 2021/22 General Off-Season Discussion

[polar bear]

yes as both those were great. But both did not have an nba team in canada to deal with. top Latin stars did not have issue with coming to toronto. nor did he have a full american bias to deal with. Also both those leagues were not leagues ran by players like the nba is, creating super teams etc etc

 

Pollack was great, but was not hard at the time for the team he was managing.

Gillick was insanely great as well, i would have had as 2nd best,only cause i believe the hand he was dealt was just easier to manage then masai.not cause he less talented.

just my opinion, on a question that is subject to each persons interpretation.

 

Pollack? Isn’t that racist?

How old are you anyway,making statements like you have.

[Spanky99]

I wasn't a big fan of "stand" Pat Gillick, but when he got a little more exciting it was fun.

 

What? He ran a Dynasty team for over a decade from scratch.

[Ehjays]

I'd put Gillick and Masai on equal sized pedestals. Delivered new franchises their 1st championship.

 

I would not say equal at all, even though they both brought a 1st championship to Toronto, Gillick built it from ground up and not only won but brought a second championship...in a row. Having back to back championship teams in Baseball is rare (only happened twice over the last 40 years) but in basketball its happened 9 times in that same span. Yes the Raptors lost a key part or their team, but Gillick added Stewart, Molitor and Henderson in 93 to keep improving his team. Its these type of moves that help a team get to the next level.

 

Again I think Masai has done a great job but sports are all about championships....and when it comes to Toronto sports its ..Gillick 2 Masai 1

[tazsub3]

Pollack? Isn’t that racist?

How old are you anyway,making statements like you have.

 

why is it racist.

And what does my age matter to you. You dont like my opinion dont read it and move on.

other posters above did not agree, however they were gracious and articulate to give their point of view.

You however, seems you are limited to lol. I guess we can guess your age, and if we miss that, we can at least predict your social and discussion skills

[Cbert]

MLBPA can f*** right off if they are pressuring their members to not sign extensions with their current clubs. It's understandable they wouldn't want their members to get bent over backwards like Acuna and Albies but there's no way Bo would even consider signing a contract like those in the first place.

 

Yea their stance is pretty ridiculous. I’m all for players getting paid, but I don’t get how the PA can scream about service time issues and then complain about extensions to young players in the same breath. They’re set for life in their 20s, still get a shot a big payday in their early 30s and give the team some payroll flexibility to build around them. All that for a couple of seasons of solid production thus far.

[tazsub3]

Yea their stance is pretty ridiculous. I’m all for players getting paid, but I don’t get how the PA can scream about service time issues and then complain about extensions to young players in the same breath. They’re set for life in their 20s, still get a shot a big payday in their early 30s and give the team some payroll flexibility to build around them. All that for a couple of seasons of solid production thus far.

 

Well said. I wonder where the PA would be if one of those guys has tommy john or blows a his knees.

 

Probably "oh sorry, was just a suggestion. poor unlucky you"

[philly30]

Pollack? Isn’t that racist?

How old are you anyway,making statements like you have.

 

How is that racist?

[Spanky99]

Well said. I wonder where the PA would be if one of those guys has tommy john or blows a his knees.

 

Probably "oh sorry, was just a suggestion. poor unlucky you"

 

Yeah, there's similar risk either way, it's a fair extension. Now as Max said the MLBPA need to fly when it comes to extensions. That's just disingenuous.

[Jays24]

Trio of Blue Jays headline 2021 All-MLB team

https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2233811

 

Vlad/Semien/Ray made the 1st team while Teo made the 2nd team.

[Abomination]

 

Peter Gammons

@pgammo

 

I understand why the union has stringly advised B Bichette not to take a longterm extension, and see the Albies contract, which will ake him to free agency at 30, wth $45.1M in career earnings. Ronald Acuna reaches free agency at 30 w/ $125M,with power to get another huge 5 years

 

If the union can be doing this with the players, it seems only right that the owners and MLB should be able to pressure each other not to sign free agents to huge extended contracts too. One is called collusion and the other is considered normal

[Krylian]

Jays in on Gausman

[FantasyNewb]

Jays in on Gausman

 

They won't get him (you'll thank me later)!

[John_Havok]

If the union can be doing this with the players, it seems only right that the owners and MLB should be able to pressure each other not to sign free agents to huge extended contracts too. One is called collusion and the other is considered normal

 

Cuz the owners need a union ?

[Spanky99]

They won't get him (you'll thank me later)!

 

Heh...

[Spanky99]

They'll pivot now, man.

[jerb]

 

Jon Heyman

@JonHeyman

 

Jays made Matz a 3-year offer. They are still hoping to bring back Ray and Semien. Would be very expensive obvs.

[connorp]

I actually just saw Sem is looking for $200m. So looking like he’ll be a Red Sock (do you still use “Sox” if its singular?) or Yankee

[max silver]

I actually just saw Sem is looking for $200m. So looking like he’ll be a Red Sock (do you still use “Sox” if its singular?) or Yankee

 

He'll likely be waiting until Spring to sign if he's dead set on that kind of contract. This is likely posturing just like the 100+ million contract that his agent was looking for following the 2020 season.

[connorp]

He'll likely be waiting until Spring to sign if he's dead set on that kind of contract. This is likely posturing just like the 100+ million contract that his agent was looking for following the 2020 season.

 

Yeah Boras likely going to play the long-game

[Cbert]

He'll likely be waiting until Spring to sign if he's dead set on that kind of contract. This is likely posturing just like the 100+ million contract that his agent was looking for following the 2020 season.

 

I’d offer him the Springer contract. Maybe some sort of club option on a 6th year but wouldn’t go beyond that. They’re about the same age at free agency and similar WAR over their careers

[Brownie19]

With Matz signing 4 years $44M - Do we think he would have accepted a QO if offered? Does he leave $26M on the table and risk that he'll stay effective and healthy?

 

My guess is he would have accepted the QO. I think an AAV in the $13M+ range (assuming he was getting 4 years) would have been the breaking point.

[glory]

Matz would have accepted the QO 20 seconds after it was offered to him.

[Carlos Danger]

Met’s owner is pissed!

[John_Havok]

With Matz signing 4 years $44M - Do we think he would have accepted a QO if offered? Does he leave $26M on the table and risk that he'll stay effective and healthy?

 

My guess is he would have accepted the QO. I think an AAV in the $13M+ range (assuming he was getting 4 years) would have been the breaking point.

 

It's hard to guess at that... but yeah he likely would have accepted. If he declined, teams would likely have been more hesitant to even sign him if 11 million was his market AAV. Another example of decent mid rotation arms getting less than they should. But, I guess that's the life of the guys in the middle in MLB

[L54]

Matz has no idea how much money he’s leaving on the table by accepting the QO. All he knows is if he declines it is he’s turning down 18M guaranteed and attaching pick compensation to himself which is a negative for a guy in his tier.

 

He likely accepts and enters the market in 2023 with no pick attached and a weaker class.

 

Bye Steve thanks for the contributions

[Carlos Danger]

Met’s owner is pissed!

 

"I'm not happy this morning . I've never seen such unprofessional behavior exhibited by a player's agent.I guess words and promises don't matter."

Edited November 24, 2021 by Carlos Danger

[Brownie19]

Matz has no idea how much money he’s leaving on the table by accepting the QO. All he knows is if he declines it is he’s turning down 18M guaranteed and attaching pick compensation to himself which is a negative for a guy in his tier.

 

He likely accepts and enters the market in 2023 with no pick attached and a weaker class.

 

Bye Steve thanks for the contributions

 

Let's not act like agents have absolutely no idea of the range their clients should expect on the open market.

[Jays24]

Matz would take the QO for sure imo. I'm glad we didn't give it to him since we could better use that money elsewhere.

 

Part of me thinks the Cards and other teams would move onto other targets if it meant giving up a pick for Matz. He just isn't good enough for that imo.

[L54]

Let's not act like agents have absolutely no idea of the range their clients should expect on the open market.

 

Let’s not act like Steven Matz wasn’t going to accept the QO before Ross could hang up the phone

 

I know we don’t see eye to eye here but I have a hard time imagining a scenario where it makes sense for Matz to decline the QO if offered to him

[Deadpool]

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-best-of-2021-yearbook-superlatives

 

Best HR celebration: Blue Jays' home run jacket

 

Looks like the jacket is popular.