Terminator Old-Timey Member Posted February 12, 2021 Author Posted February 12, 2021 Only a minor league deal but he probably makes the team as our backup infielder. I was hoping for better but they must not have liked the prices on Marwin and Miller.
BTS Community Moderator Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 I really, really hate watching Joe Panik play baseball.
Terminator Old-Timey Member Posted February 12, 2021 Author Posted February 12, 2021 I really, really hate watching Joe Panik play baseball. Buntoyo makes us watch him more than we should have to as well. He was using him like he's Ben Zobrist or something last year.
Terminator Old-Timey Member Posted February 12, 2021 Author Posted February 12, 2021 Yessssss Your predictions have been pretty accurate. You got Panik right and Phelps instead of Wilson. Now on to the SP.
glory Old-Timey Member Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 Safe to pencil in that $1.85m into the team's payroll. He's definitely making it.
Ray Verified Member Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 Only a minor league deal but he probably makes the team as our backup infielder. I was hoping for better but they must not have liked the prices on Marwin and Miller. I think they could’ve shelled out $3M for either, but there’s more to it than that. There’s probably easier paths to more playing time for both on Red Sox and Phillies so that’s probably why they chose those teams.
Ray Verified Member Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 Safe to pencil in that $1.85m into the team's payroll. He's definitely making it. He should. Espinal should be a “break glass in case of emergency” option.
Orgfiller Old-Timey Member Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 I really, really hate watching Joe Panik play baseball. Really? I thought he did his job just fine considering what his actual role should have been. Average ish defense with the ability to fill in all over the diamond, average baserunning, below average offense with a slap hitter's skillset but he took some walks so he actually got on base a decent amount.
wilko Old-Timey Member Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 I really, really hate watching Joe Panik play baseball. He's an All-Star!
BTS Community Moderator Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 Really? I thought he did his job just fine considering what his actual role should have been. Average ish defense with the ability to fill in all over the diamond, average baserunning, below average offense with a slap hitter's skillset but he took some walks so he actually got on base a decent amount. I can only abide a 350 SLG if you're burning up the bases or playing god-tier defense. I don't mind him being on the roster as the 26th man or whatever, but aesthetically it's just not for me.
L54 Old-Timey Member Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 Love me some Joe Panik. Welcome back Joe! WS Champion will bring a ton to veteran presents to the team again.
Jays24 Old-Timey Member Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 He started off the season poorly but played pretty well afterwards. Don't mind him back tbh.
Carlos Danger Old-Timey Member Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 Obviously they were really in on Gonzalez and as soon as he signs with Boston, we do this as a hedge.. I was very disappointed about Gonzalez, I thought perfect fit for the team, and makeup. Might have to reach out to Boston at the deadline depending what we have going on...
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 I can only abide a 350 SLG if you're burning up the bases or playing god-tier defense. I don't mind him being on the roster as the 26th man or whatever, but aesthetically it's just not for me. I agree - we need to see 2nd half Panik for him to be worth a roster spot. I'd much rather have a specialist like a lefty masher or a speedster.
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 Obviously they were really in on Gonzalez and as soon as he signs with Boston, we do this as a hedge.. I was very disappointed about Gonzalez, I thought perfect fit for the team, and makeup. Might have to reach out to Boston at the deadline depending what we have going on... I don't see the value in Marwin - we already have lots of versatility.
Laika Community Moderator Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 Your predictions have been pretty accurate. You got Panik right and Phelps instead of Wilson. Now on to the SP. I thought Wilson would sign for maybe $5M. Maybe going cheaper with Phelps opens up some money for Paxton instead of Porcello.
Ray Verified Member Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 It's already been a fantastic offseason, but one of Paxton/Odorizzi/Walker would make it amazing. Better than the 2012 one perhaps? I wasn't following the team closely at the time, so not sure how it would measure up. I know most people quote that as one of the best offseasons the Jays ever had, but obviously it didn't pan out.
Laika Community Moderator Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 It's already been a fantastic offseason, but one of Paxton/Odorizzi/Walker would make it amazing. Better than the 2012 one perhaps? I wasn't following the team closely at the time, so not sure how it would measure up. I know most people quote that as one of the best offseasons the Jays ever had, but obviously it didn't pan out. That offseason was exciting but those trades were godawful and anyone without a peanut brain could tell that from the moment they were made. The team traded valuable prospect capital and controllable players for mostly free agent contracts... puke. Would have been fine if it worked out but it didn't so it was bad on bad in hindsight. This offseason is just as exciting arguably and it is responsible and smart!
Captain Adama Old-Timey Member Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 2014/2015 off-season was pretty damn exciting. That one was probably tops for me.
Jays24 Old-Timey Member Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 2014/2015 off-season was pretty damn exciting. That one was probably tops for me. That coupled with the trade deadline made 2015 the most exciting Jays season for me. I don't think we'll ever have a better hitting trio than Donaldson/Jose/Edwin. Tulo should have been part of that group but we know how that went. Great times nonetheless lol.
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 I really, really hate watching Joe Panik play baseball. I did too until I had to watch Jonathan Villar play baseball. It puts things in perspective.
glory Old-Timey Member Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 This offseason is just as exciting arguably and it is responsible and smart! That's the key for me between this one and 2012/2014. This winter legit feels like the beginning of a long, sustained run. The Jays are adding elite talent via free agency, kept their farm system in tact, and are prioritizing depth simultaneously. With AA, he was taking huge risks, but depth was never a priority, and it was always robbing Peter (farm system) to pay Paul (big league team). Exciting, but not sustainable even in a best case scenario (which 2015-16 probably was).
dineke Old-Timey Member Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 That offseason was exciting but those trades were godawful and anyone without a peanut brain could tell that from the moment they were made. The team traded valuable prospect capital and controllable players for mostly free agent contracts... puke. Would have been fine if it worked out but it didn't so it was bad on bad in hindsight. This offseason is just as exciting arguably and it is responsible and smart! Yeah that offseason was probably the worst in blue jays history not the best. The Syndergaard trade probably cost them a world series in 2015.
The Cats Ass Old-Timey Member Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 He's never put up a negative WAR. So I guess there's that.
TwistedLogic Old-Timey Member Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 It's already been a fantastic offseason, but one of Paxton/Odorizzi/Walker would make it amazing. Better than the 2012 one perhaps? I wasn't following the team closely at the time, so not sure how it would measure up. I know most people quote that as one of the best offseasons the Jays ever had, but obviously it didn't pan out. 2012 pales in comparison to 2014. The Dickey trade dampened the f*** out of the excitement I had over the Marlins trade, the Melky signing, and the return of Gibby. And as we all know, the Marlins trade wound up being a massive bust anyway. There was literally nothing bad about 2014. They started off with a banger by signing Russell Martin and then blew the roof off with the Donaldson trade. And all of the little moves AA made that offseason were practically flawless. They picked up Carrera and Kawasaki on MiLB deals. They signed Smoak to a 1M contract. They got Colabello off waivers. They made four separate 1-for-1 trades that got them Saunders for Happ, Estrada for Lind, Travis for Gose, and Hendriks for Nessy. The amount of value over the next few years that the Jays squeezed out of that offseason considering the absolute pittance that everything cost was unbelievable. The only move that could be classified as a poor one on paper was Saunders for Happ and that's mostly because Saunders had a freak injury in Spring Training that f***ed up his meniscus and cost him the entire season. They still got Happ back the next year. They even kept it going into the season when they had that crazy trade deadline and picked up Price, Tulo, Lowe and Revere (and outside of trading Boyd for Price, which I'd do again in a heartbeat, the Jays won all of those trades). Between the excitement in the offseason, the crazy trade deadline, the return to the playoffs, the MVP campaign from Donaldson, the story of Stroman getting injured and coming back, and the culmination in the Bautista bat flip homer, 2015 was far and away the best year I've ever had following the Jays.
Terminator Old-Timey Member Posted February 12, 2021 Author Posted February 12, 2021 The 2006 offseason was a fun one too. Burnett, Glaus and BJ Ryan were big additions.
wilko Old-Timey Member Posted February 12, 2021 Posted February 12, 2021 The 2006 offseason was a fun one too. Burnett, Glaus and BJ Ryan were big additions. Agreed. 3 HUGE dudes. The wheels kind of fell off the BJ Ryan contract near the end, but that's the gamble of signing a closer.
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