Offseason Roster Thread (2020-2021)

[Eat My Shatkins]

The more I think about it, I'd rather see the Jays go after both Tanaka and Paxton instead of Bauer.

 

Probably get both of those two for about what? $25-30 million combined on likely 1 year deals? And they are projected for about 5 WAR combined.

 

With Bauer you're probably looking at the same cost but on a multi year deal and he's projected for about 3.8 WAR.

 

Seems like better bang for the buck if you can get the two ex Yankees while maintaining roster and payroll flexibility.

 

Ryu

Paxton

Tanaka

Pearson

 

 

5th spot goes to the best performing out of Ray, Stripling, Roark, Merryweather, Kay, Hatch, Thornton, etc

[Laika]

The more I think about it, I'd rather see the Jays go after both Tanaka and Paxton instead of Bauer.

 

Probably get both of those two for about what? $25-30 million combined on likely 1 year deals? And they are projected for about 5 WAR combined.

 

With Bauer you're probably looking at the same cost but on a multi year deal and he's projected for about 3.8 WAR.

 

Seems like better bang for the buck if you can get the two ex Yankees while maintaining roster and payroll flexibility.

 

Ryu

Paxton

Tanaka

Pearson

 

 

5th spot goes to the best performing out of Ray, Stripling, Roark, Merryweather, Kay, Hatch, Thornton, etc

 

It's not that simple. At some point a good team needs to consolidate wins in single, star level players.

 

The rotation spots in question are probably Roark and Stripling. 1 WAR and 2 WAR, roughly by projections.

 

Bauer at 4 wins is a 3 win upgrade.

 

Tanaka at 3 wins is a 2 win upgrade, then Paxton at 2.5 is only an additional 0.5 win upgrade.

 

That's overly simplified but you get the point

[bronson44]

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[Brownie19]

 

I suspect we told Yates he was our closer if healthy...tough to lure Hand here as I'm sure he also wants to remain a closer.

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I think Jays only carry the stigma with American players that Canada sucks. Don’t think we’ll necessarily need to go extra years or even money with a guy like Tanaka. Hope it heats up- 2/30 or something if his market is slow?

[Carlos Danger]

I think Jays only carry the stigma with American players that Canada sucks. Don’t think we’ll necessarily need to go extra years or even money with a guy like Tanaka. Hope it heats up- 2/30 or something if his market is slow?

 

I think with Japanese and Korean players, it has a lot more to do with Geography/communities. If it was Vancouver, maybe a different story. Toronto has no advantage for Japanese and Korean players.. Maybe Chinese players for the Raptors.. But I don't think any advantages for non US players baseball player demo TBH.

[glory]

There is literally only one knock on Tanaka, and it's the partial UCL tear. He checks every other box for the Jays. Dependable, can pitch in the AL East, can be in a playoff rotation, etc. The issue with the non Bauer FA market is that it's riddled with risk, whether it's injury, performance, or both. If Tanaka can be had on a 1-2 year deal, then I don't see any other non Bauer options that look any better/less risky.

[connorp]

I think with Japanese and Korean players, it has a lot more to do with Geography/communities. If it was Vancouver, maybe a different story. Toronto has no advantage for Japanese and Korean players.. Maybe Chinese players for the Raptors.. But I don't think any advantages for non US players baseball player demo TBH.

 

Well, I was suggesting there’s no clear negative...not there there was an inherent positive.

[Laika]

There is literally only one knock on Tanaka, and it's the partial UCL tear. He checks every other box for the Jays. Dependable, can pitch in the AL East, can be in a playoff rotation, etc. The issue with the non Bauer FA market is that it's riddled with risk, whether it's injury, performance, or both. If Tanaka can be had on a 1-2 year deal, then I don't see any other non Bauer options that look any better/less risky.

 

I don't even think of Tanaka's UCL thing as a negative anymore. He has held up for so long I think you need to flip the script and start thinking about him as a remarkably durable SP who has figured something our with respect to his arm. Since 2015 he is 19th in total IP and 18th in GS.

[L54]

There is literally only one knock on Tanaka, and it's the partial UCL tear. He checks every other box for the Jays. Dependable, can pitch in the AL East, can be in a playoff rotation, etc. The issue with the non Bauer FA market is that it's riddled with risk, whether it's injury, performance, or both. If Tanaka can be had on a 1-2 year deal, then I don't see any other non Bauer options that look any better/less risky.

 

Agreed 100%

 

Tanaka at 2/30 is a much better investment than Paxton at 1/12

[Orgfiller]

I think with Japanese and Korean players, it has a lot more to do with Geography/communities. If it was Vancouver, maybe a different story. Toronto has no advantage for Japanese and Korean players.. Maybe Chinese players for the Raptors.. But I don't think any advantages for non US players baseball player demo TBH.

 

Toronto has a large Korean community.

[Orgfiller]

I don't even think of Tanaka's UCL thing as a negative anymore. He has held up for so long I think you need to flip the script and start thinking about him as a remarkably durable SP who has figured something our with respect to his arm. Since 2015 he is 19th in total IP and 18th in GS.

 

I mean we also said this about Chris Sale and his funky arm motion + lanky frame and he eventually broke. They're all pitchers so the injury proneness is expected but given two equal pitchers you would think the one with the partially torn UCL is the riskier ticking time bomb.

[G-Snarls]

Let's get Tanaka now

 

The Yankees are obviousky out

[G-Snarls]

I think Jays only carry the stigma with American players that Canada sucks

 

Agreed

 

It's never seemed like an issue for most Japanese, Korean and Dominican players

[Carlos Danger]

Toronto has a large Korean community.

 

It is all relative. The US has four major metropolitan areas with double to four times the amount of Koreans then Toronto, and all those have baseball teams (6 to be exact). Toronto had a Korean population of apprx 56K in the 2016 census. Bergen County NJ, alone has 56K plus Koreans living there.

[Laika]

It is all relative. The US has four major metropolitan areas with double to four times the amount of Koreans then Toronto, and all those have baseball teams (6 to be exact). Toronto had a Korean population of apprx 56K in the 2016 census. Bergen County NJ, alone has 56K plus Koreans living there.

 

Census data in Canada is so out of date. Population dynamics are changing rapidly in places like Toronto. I think I went to school with approximately 56k Koreans in Toronto a few years ago.

[dineke]

Sign Justin Turner please. Much better than Brantley would have been.

[wilko]

Census data in Canada is so out of date. Population dynamics are changing rapidly in places like Toronto. I think I went to school with approximately 56k Koreans in Toronto a few years ago.

 

That's racist! How could you tell they were Koreans?

[G-Snarls]

Sign Justin Turner please. Much better than Brantley would have been.

 

I'd love that

 

But isn't him staying in LA about the same as DJL staying with the Yankees? Pretty much a foregone conclusion?

[max silver]

Sign Justin Turner please. Much better than Brantley would have been.

 

On a 2 year deal he's just a perfect fit. He can split time at third with Vladdy (provided he shows he can play the position better than a beached whale), and is a plug and play insertion into the roster. Brantley would have required making some room on the roster as suddenly there would be more outfielders than spots available.

[Carlos Danger]

Census data in Canada is so out of date. Population dynamics are changing rapidly in places like Toronto. I think I went to school with approximately 56k Koreans in Toronto a few years ago.

 

I would hate to be graded on a curve in math class at that school.....

[glory]

On a 2 year deal he's just a perfect fit. He can split time at third with Vladdy (provided he shows he can play the position better than a beached whale), and is a plug and play insertion into the roster. Brantley would have required making some room on the roster as suddenly there would be more outfielders than spots available.

 

Dodgers apparently have a 2 year offer out there, but Turner wants more years. Jays would have to go 3-4 years, and at age 36 that seems like a bad idea.

 

Didi on a two year deal might be the the better play.

[max silver]

Dodgers apparently have a 2 year offer out there, but Turner wants more years. Jays would have to go 3-4 years, and at age 36 that seems like a bad idea.

 

Didi on a two year deal might be the the better play.

 

3 or more years for Turner is a hard pass for sure, perhaps if the Jays beat the Dodgers handily in total dollars it could possibly lure Turner away from the Dodgers. I doubt this front office would go above their valuations for this particular player though given the variety of options available in free agency.

[Terminator]

I would assume that the Yankees are effectively out on Tanaka after signing Kluber and trading for Tallion.

 

Tanaka projects for 3 WAR and is only 32 years old. Seems like a short term deal is all he'll get, so getting a pitcher of that caliber on just a 2 year deal seems like a bargain. I'm sure there are other teams in the mix but I would guess that the Jays have a really good chance to get him. Sign me up.

[Laika]

I would assume that the Yankees are effectively out on Tanaka after signing Kluber and trading for Tallion.

 

Tanaka projects for 3 WAR and is only 32 years old. Seems like a short term deal is all he'll get, so getting a pitcher of that caliber on just a 2 year deal seems like a bargain. I'm sure there are other teams in the mix but I would guess that the Jays have a really good chance to get him. Sign me up.

 

The rumour is that Tanaka is only LOOKING for a one year deal, which makes him perfect. Give him $20M if that's what it takes.

[G-Snarls]

Tanaka on a 1 year deal would work beautifully

[G-Snarls]

I would really like to get some sort of upside with the remaining SPs. Some sort of team option or control longer than a year.

 

1 year plus a club option is always nice

[Laika]

I would really like to get some sort of upside with the remaining SPs. Some sort of team option or control longer than a year.

 

I think the only way to get that in a market like this is just to give a guy like Odorizzi or Paxton the multi-year deal they are looking for.

 

People might be looking past Odorizzi. He was pretty sick in 2019 and in 2020 his increased velocity was there. Only 30 years old right now. There's upside on something like 3/$36.

 

Or he might just suck. No idea what was going on in 2020. Looks like he couldn't get ahead of hitters and therefore he wasn't fooling hitters or getting whiffs.

[max silver]

I think the only way to get that in a market like this is just to give a guy like Odorizzi or Paxton the multi-year deal they are looking for.

 

People might be looking past Odorizzi. He was pretty sick in 2019 and in 2020 his increased velocity was there. Only 30 years old right now. There's upside on something like 3/$36.

 

Or he might just suck. No idea what was going on in 2020. Looks like he couldn't get ahead of hitters and therefore he wasn't fooling hitters or getting whiffs.

 

I did a little digging around and he was suffering from some upper back discomfort that led to starting the season on the injured list. He had a freak injury getting hit by a comebacker, and suffered from blister issues as well. He should probably be fine going forward but it seems like he's suffered from back issues earlier in his career, so it's tough to say if this could be a recurrence of previous problems.