MLB Suspends Operations, Starting This Afternoon

[TheHurl]

[L54]

How's Russian collusion coming along?

 

Haven’t you heard? The Russian bots are back in time for the 2020 election.

[CBlake]

The CDC made the recommendation this evening of no gatherings of more than 50 people for at least the next eight weeks. Pretty sure we will not see baseball or sports for that matter for a while.

[Jonn]

The CDC made the recommendation this evening of no gatherings of more than 50 people for at least the next eight weeks. Pretty sure we will not see baseball or sports for that matter for a while.

 

The thing is that doesn’t stop them from playing games without fans. And Baseball will be forced to make a decision in late June/July whether or not if they go ahead with a season without fans or just cancel the season all together. With weather they don’t have the luxury of time like the indoor sports do. Unless they come up with a plan where they only play games in Domed stadiums and try to divide the teams evenly in different locations with a dome. They would probably have to design a special schedule around that concept as well.

 

For example the AL East plays a tournament style schedule in either Rogers Centre or Tropicana Field. That would honestly suck but a scenario they are forced to explore if they want to have any kind of Baseball.

 

Other things you need to worry about is pitchers health. They need to be properly built up over the course of atleast a few weeks. If team workouts are banned for the next 2 months potentially as they have been in the NBA. Individual workouts only, Does Baseball have to do another Spring Training or Exhibition Season to properly build up pitchers or should they all be throwing simulated games during the next couple months every 5 days in preparation for a season that may or may not happen.

[Bobthe4th]

The thing is that doesn’t stop them from playing games without fans. And Baseball will be forced to make a decision in late June/July whether or not if they go ahead with a season without fans or just cancel the season all together. With weather they don’t have the luxury of time like the indoor sports do. Unless they come up with a plan where they only play games in Domed stadiums and try to divide the teams evenly in different locations with a dome. They would probably have to design a special schedule around that concept as well.

 

For example the AL East plays a tournament style schedule in either Rogers Centre or Tropicana Field. That would honestly suck but a scenario they are forced to explore if they want to have any kind of Baseball.

 

Other things you need to worry about is pitchers health. They need to be properly built up over the course of atleast a few weeks. If team workouts are banned for the next 2 months potentially as they have been in the NBA. Individual workouts only, Does Baseball have to do another Spring Training or Exhibition Season to properly build up pitchers or should they all be throwing simulated games during the next couple months every 5 days in preparation for a season that may or may not happen.

 

If the limit of 50 people is still in place then they can’t play at all. Players, coaches and ground staff would still need to be there.

 

IMO the most likely result is a shortened season if the virus is over by the summer, or a complete cancellation if it’s still going strong (and if the latter then baseball will be the last thing on anyone’s mind anyway!).

[Jonn]

If the limit of 50 people is still in place then they can’t play at all. Players, coaches and ground staff would still need to be there.

 

IMO the most likely result is a shortened season if the virus is over by the summer, or a complete cancellation if it’s still going strong (and if the latter then baseball will be the last thing on anyone’s mind anyway!).

 

That’s a recommendation not the current law put in place. Different States have different rules in place as well.

[DigitalRock]

All viruses are susceptible to some level heat and humidity. Each and every one that has ever been discovered. You are outright lying when you try to say otherwise. You are intentionally spreading misinformation. Early studies on this virus show that this virus may be highly susceptible to heat and humidity. I have posted links to these studies from reputable universities.

 

This is the last thing I will say on the matter. I have offered no opinions. Take it up with the researchers if you have issues with their conclusions and quit lying to people.

 

You said that the death rate was similar to Spanish Flu, which had a death rate between 10 and 20 percent. (500 million infected, 50-100 million dead).

 

The widely stated death rate of 2.7% for Spanish Flu means that 2.7% of the entire world died. You are misusing these numbers in an attempt to scare people and it's frankly disgusting.

 

Lol...I never said this at all., making up s*** I never said only proves how out of touch you are...and again...medical professionals have said so far evidence is that heat and humidity does not slow it down enough to notice...but there is a lot they don't know. You are the dumbest idiot I have ever talked to online. Congrats.

 

The fatality rate is in the exact same range (thats not the same as saying this will be as bad overall), be a truth denier if you want. Its literally on the WHOS site and updated daily. That does not mean 2.7 percent of the world will die you imbecile.

 

 

"Both newspapers and scientific journals frequently state three facts about the Spanish flu: It infected 500 million people (nearly one-third of the world population at the time); it killed between 50 and 100 million people; and it had a case fatality rate of 2.5 percent"

 

"An estimated one third of the world's population (or ≈500 million persons) were infected and had clinically apparent illnesses (1,2) during the 1918–1919 influenza pandemic. The disease was exceptionally severe. Case-fatality rates were >2.5%, compared to <0.1% in other influenza pandemics"

 

It's hilarious you see you constantly spew wrong info and claim others are doing it.

 

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/1/05-0979_article

 

 

The big difference is modern medicine and progress this wont be near as bad the Spanish Flu, which i sad already..can you even read?

 

Here is another article:

 

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/health/2020/03/05/coronavirus-us-cases-symptoms-travel-deaths-prepare/4904568002/

 

 

QUOTE: While the Spanish flu's mortality rate was at least 2.5%

 

https://reason.com/2020/03/06/trump-says-the-covid-19-death-rate-will-be-a-fraction-of-1-percent-is-he-right/

QUOTE: "Spanish flu mortality rate: 2.5% largely killed healthy adults between 20 and 40."

 

Here is more:

 

https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=228841

 

QUOTE: "

The death rate of Spanish influenza was vastly greater than the average seasonal flu, Dr. Taubenberger said. The case-fatality rate is estimated to have been greater than 2.5%. This means for every 100 recognized cases, on average more than two and a half people died. By comparison, he says, the fatality rate in subsequent flu pandemics has been less than .1%.

 

Comparisons are hard to determine. Since new information about COVID-19 is calculated by different organizations and governments in different ways, much work remains to determine the disease's true case-fatality rate. But one JAMA study published in February estimates the case-fatality rate at 2.3%, nearly identical to Spanish flu estimates.

 

https://virus.stanford.edu/uda/

 

QUOTE;"The influenza virus had a profound virulence, with a mortality rate at 2.5% compared to the previous influenza epidemics, which were less than 0.1%. The death rate for 15 to 34-year-olds of influenza and pneumonia were 20 times higher in 1918 than in previous years (Taubenberger)."

 

 

10-20% is laughable and wrong. 2.5-3% is were spanish flu's mortality rate is, right were Covid sites right now......

 

The CDC has Spanish Flu mortality rate at 2.5%...

 

Italy last year had the #2 ranked Health care system in the world, their mortality rate has skyrocketed to 6%, partly due to hospitals being over run and not enough ventilators, and other factors.. Know the facts and don't panic. Not deny facts and accuse others of fear mongering like an idiot.

 

 

 

Will heat and Humidity slow Covid-19?

 

https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/will-warm-weather-make-covid-19-toast-dont-bet-it-experts-say

 

Don't bet on it..but maybe we should tell the WHO, and governments to listen to grant on the blue jays message board.

Edited March 16, 2020 by DigitalRock

[DigitalRock]

This is absolutely not correct. It means that 2.5% of the entire world's population was killed (50 million dead of 1.8 billion). Using that criteria, the Covid19 death rate is something like 0.00006%.

 

Covid19 isn't even even remotely close to as deadly as Spanish Flu. Using that comparison freaks people out, causes unnecessary panic, and hurts a lot of people. I don't agree with maxsilver that lying to people in order to whip them into a frenzied panic is a viable solution to this crisis.

 

LMAO.....the worlds doctors, medical professionals are all wrong..grant is right,...what a f***ing idiot. no one is trying to whip anyone in a panic...but it's better to know the facts and be prepared the pull a trump and deny them.

[Brownie19]

you should check out some Emotional Intelligence books DR.

[DigitalRock]

(500 million infected, 50-100 million dead).

 

The widely stated death rate of 2.7% for Spanish Flu means that 2.7% of the entire world died.

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOL..no it literally means 2.5 - 3% who got it died...that's what Mortality rate is. Numerous articles I posted even explain this. Grant trying to change the meaning of a term to fit his f***ed up logic. Maybe you should call the CDC and tell them they have been doing it wrong all these years.

 

you should check out some Emotional Intelligence books DR.

 

I'm fine bro, just fun calling out stupid people as being stupid. You should try it, Trevor bauer approves.

Edited March 16, 2020 by DigitalRock

[Bobthe4th]

[BlueRocky]

[Virgil_Hiltz]

The CDC made the recommendation this evening of no gatherings of more than 50 people for at least the next eight weeks. Pretty sure we will not see baseball or sports for that matter for a while.

 

or play all the games in Tampa??

[saskjayfan]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL..no it literally means 2.5 - 3% who got it died...that's what Mortality rate is. Numerous articles I posted even explain this. Grant trying to change the meaning of a term to fit his f***ed up logic. Maybe you should call the CDC and tell them they have been doing it wrong all these years.

 

 

 

I'm fine bro, just fun calling out stupid people as being stupid. You should try it, Trevor bauer approves.

 

Mortality rate is the death rate of recorded cases as it relates to the spanish flu. An estimated 500 million got the flu and approximately 50 million died. Simple math suggests 10%, not 2.5%. Just because there weren't 500 million officially recorded cases doesn't mean the mortality rate wasn't significantly higher than 2.5%. You also have to look at demographics. In 1920 the average life expectancy was 60. It's now north of 80. There were a lot less old people in 1918 when the flu hit. The mortality rate among younger people at the time was far higher for those had spanish flu than those who currently have corona. The flu had a high death rate for children. Corona does not.

 

Corona isn't as bad as the spanish flu. Why do you so desperately want it to be worse than it is?

 

https://www.wired.com/story/covid-19-is-nothing-like-the-spanish-flu/

[glory]

Has it been explained what will happen with service time due to this delay in the season, or are they still trying to figure that out? I know that's not important in the grand scheme of things, but purely from a baseball standpoint, losing nearly half a season (best case) of Vlad/Bo/Biggio really sucks, and who knows what will happen in 2022 when the CBA needs to be agreed to and a potential lockout looming.

[max silver]

I honestly don't understand why you guys are wasting so much time arguing about fatality rates of covid-19 vs Spanish flu, like seriously who f***ing cares? Covid-19 is this era's major global viral pandemic. We should take it every bit as seriously whether fatality rate is 2%, 5% or 10%. The long lasting societal consequences are going to be far reaching regardless of what the final fatality rate ends up being.

[CBlake]

When people are worried about their health, if they will be able to make their rent this month or where there next meal will come from baseball to tell you the truth does not mean a f***en thing.

[DigitalRock]

Mortality rate is the death rate of recorded cases as it relates to the spanish flu. An estimated 500 million got the flu and approximately 50 million died. Simple math suggests 10%, not 2.5%. Just because there weren't 500 million officially recorded cases doesn't mean the mortality rate wasn't significantly higher than 2.5%. You also have to look at demographics. In 1920 the average life expectancy was 60. It's now north of 80. There were a lot less old people in 1918 when the flu hit. The mortality rate among younger people at the time was far higher for those had spanish flu than those who currently have corona. The flu had a high death rate for children. Corona does not.

 

Corona isn't as bad as the spanish flu. Why do you so desperately want it to be worse than it is?

 

https://www.wired.com/story/covid-19-is-nothing-like-the-spanish-flu/

 

LOLOl. I literally said, Twice not once, that it is not as bad, can you read? I am just saying, that the mortality rate is in the same range..Go back to school and learn to read..I even posted numerous articles that say exactly that.....

 

As fir children? No one is even arguing nor what does it matter who it kills? The discussion was literally about mortality rate which is in fact according to every information we have is in the same range as Spanish Flu. Maybe you have Covid and it made you not understand english. Spanish flu killed younger people, Covid is harder on older people...thanks captain obvious.

Edited March 17, 2020 by DigitalRock

[Laika]

I honestly don't understand why you guys are wasting so much time arguing about fatality rates of covid-19 vs Spanish flu, like seriously who f***ing cares? Covid-19 is this era's major global viral pandemic. We should take it every bit as seriously whether fatality rate is 2%, 5% or 10%. The long lasting societal consequences are going to be far reaching regardless of what the final fatality rate ends up being.

 

yasssssss

[Grant77]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL..no it literally means 2.5 - 3% who got it died...that's what Mortality rate is. Numerous articles I posted even explain this. Grant trying to change the meaning of a term to fit his f***ed up logic. Maybe you should call the CDC and tell them they have been doing it wrong all these years.

 

 

 

I'm fine bro, just fun calling out stupid people as being stupid. You should try it, Trevor bauer approves.

 

For the love of god, please quit lying.

 

The population of the world in 1918 was 1.8 billion and 50-100 million people died. That range is 2.8% to 5.6% of the entire world. The entire world did not contract the Spanish Flu.

 

It was more deadly than Covid19 by as much as an entire order of magnitude. You're such a huge piece of s*** for spreading lies like this. I would love to see someone call you out on the news if you do it elsewhere.

[saskjayfan]

LOLOl. I literally said, Twice not once, that it is not as bad, can you read? I am just saying, that the mortality rate is in the same range..Go back to school and learn to read..I even posted numerous articles that say exactly that.....

 

As fir children? No one is even arguing nor what does it matter who it kills? The discussion was literally about mortality rate which is in fact according to every information we have is in the same range as Spanish Flu. Maybe you have Covid and it made you not understand english. Spanish flu killed younger people, Covid is harder on older people...thanks captain obvious.

 

"LOLOLOLOLOLOL..no it literally means 2.5 - 3% who got it died...that's what Mortality rate is."

 

That was your exact quote and it's wrong. Roughly 10% of people who got the Spanish flu died. Saying the mortality rates are similar is misleading, because most deaths of spanish flu were not documented, where as most deaths of Corona are documented.

[WryNGinger]

I know some of you are bored but jeebus F-ing Chryst stop the bitchfest back and forth ******** pissing war. Use PM's f***ers. I am guessing that most of us don't care about your back and forth mortality rate pissing match.

 

When most of the replies for each of your posts are just the two of you grandstanding then NO ONE ELSE f***ing cares.

 

(nothing personal...lol)

[Beans]

you should check out some Emotional Intelligence books DR.

 

D-Rock is unhinged

[DigitalRock]

"LOLOLOLOLOLOL..no it literally means 2.5 - 3% who got it died...that's what Mortality rate is."

 

That was your exact quote and it's wrong. Roughly 10% of people who got the Spanish flu died. Saying the mortality rates are similar is misleading, because most deaths of spanish flu were not documented, where as most deaths of Corona are documented.

 

Again, CDC, everywere has the Mortality rate as 2.5 -3%,..i'll take their word for it over yours... If it is not well documented, then why does everywhere including the CDC, WHO have the Mortality rate as 2.5-3%. i posted legit sources from the world leading medical experts, you better tell them they wrong bro. YEs the number is not 100% accurate as it was 1918...the same goes for the total number that died..I'll take experts word over you and grant lol.

 

Unless you can post a source that shows CDC, WHO and others all got it wrong? Sure Jan.... Grant and SASK infectious disease experts who think they know more than experts who have studied this all their lives. Never change internet.

 

Also you have to factor in..the world was way different in 1918, the medicine, preparedness, coordinated response were all way worse. Comparing them in two drastically times is silly anyway, if covid was in 1918 it would be a lot worse than today due to modern progress, that is common sense, which.

 

It's like you don't even know what mortality rate means, i suggest a wiki...It means the same with Covd as it did the spanish flu, they don't change how they report mortality rate by disease LMAo...Again please pose some facts that contradict the WHO, CDC, I posted at least 6-7 articles proving my point , you and grant..ZERO.

Edited March 17, 2020 by DigitalRock

[DigitalRock]

For the love of god, please quit lying.

 

The population of the world in 1918 was 1.8 billion and 50-100 million people died. That range is 2.8% to 5.6% of the entire world. The entire world did not contract the Spanish Flu.

 

It was more deadly than Covid19 by as much as an entire order of magnitude. You're such a huge piece of s*** for spreading lies like this. I would love to see someone call you out on the news if you do it elsewhere.

 

So you cannot refute the WHo and CDC yet still post dumb s***, never change grant. Again, i'll take the world leading experts on this over you.... You have yet to post a single shred of anything to refute the WHO, CDC and other experts. Did you even read any of thr articles I posted? Or can you even comprehend?

 

Again you are the dumbest idiot I have ever talked too...you are saying the WHO, CDC, experts are all wrong and lying...yeah someone is full of it, look in the mirror. You keep posting the same s*** with zero proof to back it up.

Edited March 17, 2020 by DigitalRock

[Grant77]

So you cannot refute the WHo and CDC yet still post dumb s***, never change grant. Again, i'll take the world leading experts on this over you.... You have yet to post a single shred of anything to refute the WHO, CDC and other experts. Did you even read any of thr articles I posted? Or can you even comprehend?

 

Again you are the dumbest idiot I have ever talked too...you are saying the WHO, CDC, experts are all wrong and lying...yeah someone is full of it, look in the mirror. You keep posting the same s*** with zero proof to back it up.

 

The statistics are not incorrect. You're taking two different statistics and comparing them directly to one another. One uses it's denominator as the world population and one uses it's denominator as the number of infected.

 

This is from the WHO's website:

 

"the 1918 influenza pandemic known colloquially as “Spanish flu.” The intensity and speed with which it struck were almost unimaginable – infecting one-third of the Earth’s population, which at the time was about 500 million people."

 

https://www.who.int/influenza/pandemic-influenza-an-evolving-challenge/en/

 

Here's from the CDC:

 

"It is estimated that about 500 million people or one-third of the world’s population became infected with this virus. The number of deaths was estimated to be at least 50 million worldwide"

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html

 

Both state unequivocally that the death rate was at or above 10%. This isn't complicated. 50 million is the numerator and 500 million is the denominator. You get a percentage. For Covid19 the numerator is about 8000 and the denominator is unknown, but not less than 200,000.

 

To make a baseball analogy, you're essentially saying this:

 

Ben Revere is a better hitter than Mike Trout because Revere's slugging percentage is .343 while Trout's batting average is .305. You would have to be incredibly stupid to deny this. The numbers are right on fangraphs. Are you going to deny them?

Edited March 17, 2020 by Grant77

[Laika]

this grant67 content right here in this thread is why i keep logging into the bjmb even in the face of a pandemic

[Carlos Danger]

Ben Revere is a better hitter than Mike Trout because Revere's slugging percentage is .343 while Trout's batting average is .305. You would have to be incredibly stupid to deny this. The numbers are right on fangraphs. Are you going to deny them?

 

I told all you f***ers years ago Ben Revere was a great add to the Jays in 2015, better than even Trout! Now who has the last laugh!! Bwaaaa haaaa hahahaha

[Sorrow]

I've been hoping to see a refund announcement from the Jays by now. I have $1200 of tickets for the 24th for my dads 65th birthday that if I can't get a refund will end up as a waste of money as I will not be able to reschedule my vacation until Novemberish which isn't any good for seeing the Jays.

[Stangstag]

I've been hoping to see a refund announcement from the Jays by now. I have $1200 of tickets for the 24th for my dads 65th birthday that if I can't get a refund will end up as a waste of money as I will not be able to reschedule my vacation until Novemberish which isn't any good for seeing the Jays.

 

Yeah seems like they're waiting until the absolute last minute before they issue any refunds. I have tickets for Mar.27th and Apr.15th, we already know these games aren't happening. I want my damn refund... probably by next week they'll start doing it.