Offseason Roster Thread 2019-2020

[Abomination]

Former Jays:

 

Aaron Sanchez – $5.6MM

Roberto Osuna – $10.2MM

Joe Biagini – $1.5MM

Kevin Pillar – $9.7MM

Marcus Stroman – $11.8MM

 

Sanchez is definitely getting non-tendered,and there's a good chance Biagini is as well.

 

I could quite easily see Sanchez actually being tendered.

[glory]

Agree with BTS, but I expect Drury to be brought back. Not sure about Law.

[Terminator]

Drury is absolute trash. Valera is better and makes 1/3 of what Drury does. I really hope Drury is gone.

[Ray]

I could quite easily see Sanchez actually being tendered.

 

It took Julio Urias 1 year+ to recover from the same injury. He injured it in June 2017 and didn't begin rehabbing in the minors until July 30, 2018.

 

Given that Sanchez had surgery for it in September, there's a chance that he might not even pitch next season for the Astros. I don't know how it makes sense to tender him a contract at this point.

[Laika]

It took Julio Urias 1 year+ to recover from the same injury. He injured it in June 2017 and didn't begin rehabbing in the minors until July 30, 2018.

 

Given that Sanchez had surgery for it in September, there's a chance that he might not even pitch next season for the Astros. I don't know how it makes sense to tender him a contract at this point.

 

It would be more likely for him to sign a 2 year deal. 2 years at 3.5M or something like that.

[Ray]

It would be more likely for him to sign a 2 year deal. 2 years at 3.5M or something like that.

 

I could see a team doing the same thing the Rays did with Eovaldi - 1 year $2M with a club option attached. Get paid to rehab, and then come back at a discounted rate if it goes well.

[Bobthe4th]

I think they'll tender Drury a contract to give him one more shot and Law as well to cheaply fill out that pen.

 

Everyone else is probably gone.

 

Considering that payroll is so low and none of these are very high salaries, I would be very surprised if we didn't tender the majority of them.

 

Might as well keep the relievers to see if they pitch well enough to be flipped. Shoemaker was good when (briefly) fit. For some reason they like Drury.

 

Travis is the only one who I think is a lock for non tender. Maile would be kept if one of our young catchers is traded - catcher is one of the very few areas of the team where we potentially have the option to make a trade.

[Terminator]

Considering that payroll is so low and none of these are very high salaries, I would be very surprised if we didn't tender the majority of them.

 

It's not so much the money as it is the roster spot. Why waste a 25 man roster spot on a 32 year old Ryan Tepera? The dude sucks. We can dumpster dive for someone cheaper and likely better.

[Bobthe4th]

It's not so much the money as it is the roster spot. Why waste a 25 man roster spot on a 32 year old Ryan Tepera? The dude sucks. We can dumpster dive for someone cheaper and likely better.

 

The whole point of keeping him (or adding any other cheap bullpen lottery vet) is to roll the dice and try to flip them for a prospect. Ryan Tepera has just as much chance as having a good season in 2010 as any other random non elite reliever, and $1.6m is not worth worrying about if he doesn't work and we have to DFA him before the season end. It's very similar to the amount we gave Daniel Hudson (31 at the time, coming off a couple of bad seasons) last offseason for example.

[Brownie19]

The point is there will be better lottery tickets to purchase...

[Grant77]

Give me Giles, Shoemaker, Law, and Drury. Try to bring back Tepera on a minor league deal.

 

Law is the type of guy we will be targeting for cheap anyways. Lots of K's and grounders with good velo and a history of better command.

[Ray]

Who's Rule 5 eligible this year? That will probably answer the question on whether or not Tepera should be kept.

[glory]

We still didn't get anything for Hudson though.

 

Everyone in the pen should be some under 25 flame out starter with 7 years of control IMO.

 

Another thing is the 40 man roster is loaded with young P's. Just in AAA/MLB, off the top of my head, there is Thornton, Shoemaker, Borucki, Zeuch, Kay, SRF, Pannone, Waguespack, Merryweather, Perez, Murphy, Diaz, Hatch (will be added). They'll add Pearson soon enough. If they sign a couple of starters from free agency, then that's way too many arms for the AAA/MLB rotation. Sure some of them will get hurt or suck, but some of them also profile as relievers, if they are not traded. I actually think it would be a smart idea to convert someone like SRF to the pen. Merryweather is apparently throwing 100 so he might be an option (assuming they can't find a place for him to start). We don't need an entire pen of trash bags in their 30's who we want to trade for something at the deadline.

[Barkerfan23]

Who's Rule 5 eligible this year? That will probably answer the question on whether or not Tepera should be kept.

 

Any offseason where these are the types of questions you are asking, its going to be bad offseason.

[Terminator]

Give me Giles, Shoemaker, Law, and Drury. Try to bring back Tepera on a minor league deal.

 

Law is the type of guy we will be targeting for cheap anyways. Lots of K's and grounders with good velo and a history of better command.

 

Why do you like Drury?

[Grant77]

Why do you like Drury?

 

I like that he can play all 4 infield positions well. He's cheap and relatively young with a history of being a good hitter so I feel that he can be better with some adjustments.

 

We need a backup IF either way and with no internal options, I don't think we can do better than Drury for 2.5 mil. Like Law, he's the type of bounceback candidate that we'd be going after anyways.

[BTS]

I like that he can play all 4 infield positions well. He's cheap and relatively young with a history of being a good hitter so I feel that he can be better with some adjustments.

 

We need a backup IF either way and with no internal options, I don't think we can do better than Drury for 2.5 mil. Like Law, he's the type of bounceback candidate that we'd be going after anyways.

 

Drury has played 48 innings at SS in his MLB career, and his bat doesn't play at 1B, so its pretty irrelevant that he can defend the position.

[Grant77]

Drury has played 48 innings at SS in his MLB career, and his bat doesn't play at 1B, so its pretty irrelevant that he can defend the position.

 

I thought he looked good at shortstop when he played there but could be wrong. It's nice to have a guy who can fill in at short either way.

[Barkerfan23]

I like that he can play all 4 infield positions well. He's cheap and relatively young with a history of being a good hitter so I feel that he can be better with some adjustments.

 

We need a backup IF either way and with no internal options, I don't think we can do better than Drury for 2.5 mil. Like Law, he's the type of bounceback candidate that we'd be going after anyways.

 

History of being a good hitter?

 

Brandon Drury wrc 84

Kevin pillar wrc 86

 

Pillar got shifted on every day for his lack of bat. People think Drury can hit

[Thaddeus Malice]

Cannot understand why anyone would want Drury back.

 

I guess anytime you can bring a guy back who's provided -1.1 WAR in value over his past two seasons you've gotta do it.

[Barkerfan23]

Cannot understand why anyone would want Drury back.

 

I guess anytime you can bring a guy back who's provided -1.1 WAR in value over his past two seasons you've gotta do it.

 

Bc we gave a better hitting centre fielder fir nothing in return but got Drury as the centerpiece of a trade deadline deal where we traded the best pitcher on the market

 

Bc Atkins is f***inh terrible and we dont want to accept that

[DigitalRock]

I like that he can play all 4 infield positions well. He's cheap and relatively young with a history of being a good hitter so I feel that he can be better with some adjustments.

 

We need a backup IF either way and with no internal options, I don't think we can do better than Drury for 2.5 mil. Like Law, he's the type of bounceback candidate that we'd be going after anyways.

 

History of being a good hitter? Lmao, you're dumb.

[DigitalRock]

History of being a good hitter?

 

Brandon Drury wrc 84

Kevin pillar wrc 86

 

Pillar got shifted on every day for his lack of bat. People think Drury can hit

 

Not people, just Grant. Drury is garbage.

[Grant77]

History of being a good hitter?

 

Brandon Drury wrc 84

Kevin pillar wrc 86

 

Pillar got shifted on every day for his lack of bat. People think Drury can hit

 

Pillar was consistently below average, while Drury was a good hitter to start and then became awful. Nowhere did I say that his entire track record was good.

 

For 2.5 million we aren't going to find a much better bet on the FA market, if we do at all.

[TheHurl]

Who's Rule 5 eligible this year? That will probably answer the question on whether or not Tepera should be kept.

 

A bunch of relievers and then guys likely not to get touched. Not counting those that have been eligible in the past:

 

Espinal

Baker

Snead

Palacios

Hatch (who I think is the one interesting piece but still I don't expect him to get selected)

Fishman

De Los Santos

Brito

Demi God

Ellenbest

MC Gregory Contreras

De Paula

Espada

[BTS]

2 years @ 3.5M a year got Washington Howie Kendrick coming off a 1.7 win season, and 1 year @ 2.5 got the Reds Jose Iglesias. I feel like 2.5M gets you most of the way to at least a few of the boring vet infielders on the market:

 

Kendrick

Gyorko

Gennett

Kipnis

Holt

Iglesias

Ass Dribble

 

Drury is a minor league contract guy

[Jonn]

Pillar was consistently below average, while Drury was a good hitter to start and then became awful. Nowhere did I say that his entire track record was good.

 

For 2.5 million we aren't going to find a much better bet on the FA market, if we do at all.

 

1. No that’s inherently false

 

2. Just because you might not get someone better doesn’t mean you don’t try.

 

3. Drury would not get an MLB deal on the open market.

[glory]

Yeah, $2.5m in today's free agent market is a lot of money to play with. You can get a decent utility IF with that dough. Drury should not be a guaranteed tender, but he likely will be because the front office likes him (and traded for him).

[Olerud363]

Pillar was consistently below average, while Drury was a good hitter to start and then became awful. Nowhere did I say that his entire track record was good.

 

For 2.5 million we aren't going to find a much better bet on the FA market, if we do at all.

 

I think I agree with you on this one... Drury is an OK hitter, who's power, k and bb rate has been consistent, but had an ungodly babip last year...

 

He'll be 27 next year, I don't see it being terrible if he's the back up infielder.

[Olerud363]

1. No that’s inherently false

 

2. Just because you might not get someone better doesn’t mean you don’t try.

 

3. Drury would not get an MLB deal on the open market.

 

I agree with this too... I don't think Drury is terrible but if you can do something better with the Roster spot and money of course do it.

 

Is he really going to get 2.5 million?? When (if ever) will arbitration catch up with modern stats?? Like 15 homers in a year where every random pop up hitter get 30 shouldn't be like 15 homers in 1988 or 2014... and WAR... negative WAR is worth like -2.5 million

 

I just mean, is a fake arbitration system which gives Drury too much, doing any favour to Drury, except getting him released?? Like shouldn't it be designed to get guys like Drury the most money possible without getting them released?