2016 regular season awards predictions

[Bobthe4th]

Who do you think wins each award?

 

AL

 

MVP: Mookie Betts

Cy Young: Justin Verlander

ROY: Michael Fulmer

Manager: Buck Showalter

Comeback: Hanley Ramirez

Hank Aaron: Mike Trout

Reliever: Zach Britton

 

NL

 

MVP: Kris Bryant

Cy Young: Max Scherzer

ROY: Corey Seager

Manager: Dusty Baker

Comeback: Jose Fernandez

Hank Aaron: Nolan Arenado

Reliever: Kenley Jansen

 

While some of these are locks (Seager, Britton etc) others are wide open.

 

I've not listed silver sluggers or gold gloves but I do think Kevin Pillar will win a GG this year.

[THANOS]

Who do you think wins each award?

 

AL

 

MVP: Mookie Betts

Cy Young: Justin Verlander

ROY: Michael Fulmer

Manager: Buck Showalter

Comeback: Hanley Ramirez

Hank Aaron: Mike Trout

Reliever: Zach Britton

 

NL

 

MVP: Kris Bryant

Cy Young: Max Scherzer

ROY: Corey Seager

Manager: Dusty Baker

Comeback: Jose Fernandez

Hank Aaron: Nolan Arenado

Reliever: Kenley Jansen

 

While some of these are locks (Seager, Britton etc) others are wide open.

 

I've not listed silver sluggers or gold gloves but I do think Kevin Pillar will win a GG this year.

 

AL

 

MVP: Mookie Betts

Cy Young: Rick Porcello (you know voters will swoon for the "wins")

ROY: Michael Fulmer

Manager: Terry Francona

Comeback: Hanley Ramirez

Hank Aaron: David Ortiz

Reliever: Zach Britton

 

NL

 

MVP: Kris Bryant

Cy Young: Noah Syndergaard

ROY: Corey Seager

Manager: Dusty Baker

Comeback: Jose Fernandez

Hank Aaron: Nolan Arenado

Reliever: Kenley Jansen

[FrozenRopes]

AL

 

MVP: Mookie Betts

Cy Young: Zach Britton

ROY: Gary Sanchez

Manager: Terry Francona

Comeback: Hanley Ramirez

Hank Aaron: David Ortiz

Reliever: Zach Britton

 

NL

 

MVP: Kris Bryant

Cy Young: Max Scherzer and JF16

ROY: Corey Seager

Manager: Joe Maddon

Comeback: Jose Fernandez

Hank Aaron: Nolan Arenado

Reliever: Kenley Jansen

[Grant77]

Poor Mike Trout. This isn't like last year where it was close. He's miles ahead with Donaldson and Betts a distant second.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-actual-difference-between-mike-trout-and-mookie-betts/

[Sammy225]

I don't see any thing that should prove Betts>Trout

[candymartinez]

People in this thread just know the writers are dumb as f*** and won't give it to Trout.

[Olerud363]

People in this thread just know the writers are dumb as f*** and won't give it to Trout.

 

The award has traditionally gone to the player who the writers feel single handedly helped his team the most. In a sense they've considered the fact that the 90th win is more important than the 75th.

 

Whether you agree this or not, this is the way it has been done.

 

This year, going by the "traditonal" voting patterns it's close. Trout has been much better than anyone else... but Mookie Betts led his team to a pennant.

 

If Donaldson had a better September he'd of had a shot to repeat. Give him 40 homers, 100++ rbis, the league lead in runs and no "September Swwon". And he would have had a shot in this field.

[RealAccountant]

I don't see any thing that should prove Betts>Trout

 

Games Betts played actually mattered

[RealAccountant]

Britton should get the Cy. Precedent was set by roided up Gagne and though Brittons numbers aren't as flashy if you can give Gagne the Cy Young you can give it to Britton

 

Baltimore probably finished 5 games out of the WC if you replace Britton with Osuna

[Dr. Dinger]

Poor Mike Trout. This isn't like last year where it was close. He's miles ahead with Donaldson and Betts a distant second.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-actual-difference-between-mike-trout-and-mookie-betts/

 

If Trout gets robbed again it will be criminal.

[Dr. Dinger]

Games Betts played actually mattered

 

All games matter. Just because Betts' team won more games, that has nothing to do with his ability vis-a-vis Trout. Boston was already rewarded with a Division banner, MVP is an individual award. Their respective statistical cases are not really that close at all to even begin to consider their team records.

[THANOS]

People in this thread just know the writers are dumb as f*** and won't give it to Trout.

 

Ain't that the truth lol.

[Sammy225]

Games Betts played actually mattered

 

You people are the worst. It shouldn't matter that the BEST player in the AL has a terrible team around him.

[RealAccountant]

You people are the worst. It shouldn't matter that the BEST player in the AL has a terrible team around him.

 

Wow you people. Well good thing educated writers will give the award to Betts. They should just make an art Ross type deal that Trout can win every year

[Stangstag]

Lets pretend Mookie Betts played for the Angels and Trout played for Boston.

 

Who wins the MVP now?

[Grant77]

Games Betts played actually mattered

 

If you want to make that asinine argument then Donaldson is the clear MVP. He's pretty much even with Betts and every win for us mattered. Their position wouldn't change without Betts.

[Orgfiller]

If Trout gets robbed again it will be criminal.

 

He will get robbed again, no one in the mainstream baseball media even remotely mentions his case. A lot of writers will probably vote David Ortiz and possibly even Edwin Encarnacion over him, it's ludicrous.

[Orgfiller]

All games matter. Just because Betts' team won more games, that has nothing to do with his ability vis-a-vis Trout. Boston was already rewarded with a Division banner, MVP is an individual award. Their respective statistical cases are not really that close at all to even begin to consider their team records.

 

You people are the worst. It shouldn't matter that the BEST player in the AL has a terrible team around him.

 

Lets pretend Mookie Betts played for the Angels and Trout played for Boston.

 

Who wins the MVP now?

 

If you want to make that asinine argument then Donaldson is the clear MVP. He's pretty much even with Betts and every win for us mattered. Their position wouldn't change without Betts.

 

Smh you guys falling for the Dogg's bait.

[Governator]

At least Pillar will almost definitely win the Gold Glove this year.

 

Even if you lower the min innings to 800 to include Kiermaeier in the equation, Pillar has a higher UZR/150 than anyone in baseball

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=800&type=1&season=2016&month=0&season1=2016&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=24,d

[SweetSmellingChacin]

Betts is going to win, even though if Trout and Betts switched teams before the year, BOS would still be a division winner and the Angels would still stink. This award should be renamed the "best player on the one of the best teams" award.

[Pendleton]

Most Valuable Player and Player of the Year should be separate awards. The former can go to someone like Betts for being the most valuable on a good team and the latter to Trout for having the best individual season.

[admin]

If Pat Tabler had a vote, David Ortiz would get it. Shows you how f***ing stupid some of these people are.

[BTS]

Dave Cameron (of all people) actually makes a very good point about the logical inconsistency of voters who don't put Trout 1st on their ballot. The only argument for Betts (who probably wins) over Trout is that Trout's wins don't matter. But in that case, it doesn't makes sense to give Trout a 2nd place vote, because Donaldson, Altuve, Machado, Lindor, Beltre etc... all contributed wins that 'matter more than Trout's'. Either Trout's wins have value, and you vote him #1, or they don't, and you leave him off your ballot. Anything else means you're not thinking very deeply about what you're doing.

[Olerud363]

If you want to make that asinine argument then Donaldson is the clear MVP. He's pretty much even with Betts and every win for us mattered. Their position wouldn't change without Betts.

 

What?? How would there position not change.

 

Bett's is worth 7ish WAR. If you replaced him with a replacement player they don't win the division.

[Bobthe4th]

He will get robbed again, no one in the mainstream baseball media even remotely mentions his case. A lot of writers will probably vote David Ortiz and possibly even Edwin Encarnacion over him, it's ludicrous.

 

Ken Rosenthal said that he'd vote for Trout for MVP - he's got votes in 2 categories this year but isn't allowed to reveal which 2 yet.

[Stangstag]

Dave Cameron (of all people) actually makes a very good point about the logical inconsistency of voters who don't put Trout 1st on their ballot. The only argument for Betts (who probably wins) over Trout is that Trout's wins don't matter. But in that case, it doesn't makes sense to give Trout a 2nd place vote, because Donaldson, Altuve, Machado, Lindor, Beltre etc... all contributed wins that 'matter more than Trout's'. Either Trout's wins have value, and you vote him #1, or they don't, and you leave him off your ballot. Anything else means you're not thinking very deeply about what you're doing.

 

Great point

[Bobthe4th]

Most Valuable Player and Player of the Year should be separate awards. The former can go to someone like Betts for being the most valuable on a good team and the latter to Trout for having the best individual season.

 

This. "Valuable" could suggest playing on a non contending team rules you out. Note that the Cy Young award has no such bias, it's simply seen as the pitcher of the year award.

[Olerud363]

Dave Cameron (of all people) actually makes a very good point about the logical inconsistency of voters who don't put Trout 1st on their ballot. The only argument for Betts (who probably wins) over Trout is that Trout's wins don't matter. But in that case, it doesn't makes sense to give Trout a 2nd place vote, because Donaldson, Altuve, Machado, Lindor, Beltre etc... all contributed wins that 'matter more than Trout's'. Either Trout's wins have value, and you vote him #1, or they don't, and you leave him off your ballot. Anything else means you're not thinking very deeply about what you're doing.

 

The heuristic they are using is not binary

 

it's something like - WAR * factor

 

Where the factor is between about 0.75 and 1.0 depending on team accomplishments. and "story"

 

So Trout's wins are .85 of Mookies (or something, I don't know exactly what it is),

 

Basically they are evaluating Trout as a 8 win player instead of 9... Donaldson is evaluated as 7.5

 

Bett's is probably an 8, because he's kind of new, and the red sox are the bounce back team...

 

please don't throw gasoline at me... I am not saying this is right or wrong.. just saying they are using a heuristic... it's not that Trout's wins don't matter, just that they matter a little less.

[TheHurl]

What I think will happen

 

AL

 

MVP: Mookie Betts

Cy Young: Zach Britton

ROY: Michael Fulmer

Manager: John Farrell

Comeback: Hanley Ramirez

Hank Aaron: Mike Trout

Reliever: Zach Britton

 

NL

 

MVP: Kris Bryant

Cy Young: Jon Lester

ROY: Corey Seager

Manager: Dusty Baker

Comeback: Jose Fernandez (this just sounds oddly wrong though)

Hank Aaron: Nolan Arenado

Reliever: Kenley Jansen

 

My votes if I had a ballot (will give a full ten for CY and MVP...not a ton of thought put into these and personal bias comes into play)

 

AL

 

MVP: Trout, Betts, Donaldson, Beltre, Machado, Lindor, Altuve, Cano, Kinsler, Dozier

Cy Young: Porcello, Verlander, Kluber, Sale, Tanaka, Price, Sanchez, Quintana, Happ, Miller

ROY: Michael Fulmer

Manager: Terry Francona

Comeback: Rick Porcello (Hanley probably deserves it but I feel like he just didn't even try last year)

Hank Aaron: Mike Trout

Reliever: Andrew Miller

 

NL

 

MVP: Kris Bryant, Seager, Crawford, Freeman, Murphy, Turner, Votto, Rizzo, Arenado, Fernandez (because I'm an old softy)

Cy Young: Fernandez, Syndergaard, Scherzer, Bumgarner, Lester, Cueto, Hendricks, CarMart, Jansen, Arrieta, Oh

ROY: Corey Seager

Manager: Dave Roberts

Comeback: Jose Fernandez

Hank Aaron: Joey Votto

Reliever: Kenley Jansen

[Bobthe4th]

People in this thread just know the writers are dumb as f*** and won't give it to Trout.

 

If I had a vote, it would go to Trout. However, I can't see him winning so I think Betts will get it.

 

There's an argument to be made that the most "valuable" player should always be on a contending team, I don't agree with that argument, but that doesn't mean that anyone who believes that is necessarily wrong.