Sanchez Projection March 2016

[glory]

You know, trading Sanchez for that no good complainer Chris Sale would solve this entire argument.

[TheHurl]

You know, trading Sanchez for that no good complainer Chris Sale would solve this entire argument.

 

and kill the clubhouse chemistry???

[glory]

and kill the clubhouse chemistry???

 

Touché.

[burlingtonbandit]

There's a real argument that to maximize value - you let Floyd start and use up whatever bullets he has left. Sanchez builds on the spring success in AAA (as most of his success this spring has been vs. minor leaguers) and comes up when Floyd's arm falls off. If you waste Floyd's bullets in the 6th inning and/or if he's unable to be stretched out later on - you're losing an asset you'll need this year (ie, starting pitching....need 8-10).

 

Can we stop with this crap that Floyd only has "x" amount of pitches left in his arm. Its not like come May he's going to suddenly get hurt so we "should better start him now" instead of in the pen.

 

You talk about maximizing value well then its a no brainer to start Sanchez. Floyd is a FA at the end of the season meanwhile Sanchez has 5 years of control. If Sanchez starts and shows he can be a #3/4 starter that has way more value to the Blue Jays than Floyd doing the same.

[L54]

How can you argue that getting the same production out of Floyd is somehow less valuable than getting it out of Sanchez? Some of your posts are just mind numbing.

[burlingtonbandit]

How can you argue that getting the same production out of Floyd is somehow less valuable than getting it out of Sanchez? Some of your posts are just mind numbing.

 

What are you talking about? Say Sanchez or Floyd were to get 3 WAR as a SP this year. Obviously its more valuable Sanchez provides that since you have him for another 4 years after that, while Floyd is a FA at the end of the year.

[burlingtonbandit]

Speaking of Sanchez Kenny R just wrote an article about him. If they go with Floyd there is going to be a lot of questions by the media thats for sure.

 

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/aaron-sanchez-blue-jays-starter-reliever-innings-limit-gavin-floyd-032516

[Governator]

What are you talking about? Say Sanchez or Floyd were to get 3 WAR as a SP this year. Obviously its more valuable Sanchez provides that since you have him for another 4 years after that, while Floyd is a FA at the end of the year.

 

And how much value does Floyd get you out of the pen vs Sanchez?

[THANOS]

And how much value does Floyd get you out of the pen vs Sanchez?

 

Possibly even more than Sanchez if that pitch arsenal plays up like Blanton's did last year. He also has a 95 mph fastball as a starter so it could increase a bit in the pen. He's also thrown far less innings than Sanchez the past few years so he may contribute for longer in the pen.

[burlingtonbandit]

And how much value does Floyd get you out of the pen vs Sanchez?

 

Probably close enough to make it worthwhile. I think Floyd would be a great reliever, might even be a better fit since he can get more swing and misses. He's also been really good the 1st time through the order compared to the 2nd and 3rd. Much more dramatic splits than an average pitcher.

 

In his career:

 

1st time through the order OPS+ 83

2nd time OPS+ 97

3rd time OPS+116

[Orgfiller]

Probably close enough to make it worthwhile. I think Floyd would be a great reliever, might even be a better fit since he can get more swing and misses. He's also been really good the 1st time through the order compared to the 2nd and 3rd. Much more dramatic splits than an average pitcher.

 

In his career:

 

1st time through the order OPS+ 83

2nd time OPS+ 97

3rd time OPS+116

 

Pitchers always get worse the third time around. Lmao you're not proving anything. This happens to literally every pitcher.

[burlingtonbandit]

Pitchers always get worse the third time around. Lmao you're not proving anything. This happens to literally every pitcher.

 

I said his splits were worse than average... Which is true.

 

League average OPS:

 

1st time: .678

2nd time: .708

3rd time: .751

 

Gavin Floyd

 

1st time: .679

2nd time: .732

3rd time: .803

[Angrioter]

Pitchers always get worse the third time around. Lmao you're not proving anything. This happens to literally every pitcher.

 

Maybe his standard is Tom Glavine

[G-Snarls]

[jays_fever]

Scout says "Sanchez would be the opening day starter for half of the teams in the league"

[Laika]

Scout says "Sanchez would be the opening day starter for half of the teams in the league"

 

oh my god

[BTS]

Scout says "Sanchez would be the opening day starter for half of the teams in the league"

 

Scout should legitimately be fired

[flafson]

Scout should legitimately be fired

 

Depends on the scout, some are good and some are meh...

[Dr. Dinger]

Scout says "Sanchez would be the opening day starter for half of the teams in the league"

 

Teams that could plausibly be true for:

 

Phillies

Orioles

Brewers

Royals

Twins

Barves

Rockies

 

And most of those are a stretch.

[Angrioter]

oh my god

 

Scout should legitimately be fired

 

The new market inefficiency is "Lie and create fake scouts quote"

Shatkins is the best the happened to us I'm years.

 

Sanchez for Drury/Lamb and Randall Delgado in 3..2..1

[Angrioter]

Teams that could plausibly be true for:

 

Phillies

Orioles

Brewers

Royals

Twins

Barves

Rockies

 

And most of those are a stretch.

 

Nola

Gausman

Jorge Lopez

Ventura

May

Teheran

Gray

 

Better than Sanchez

[TheHurl]

B-Ref is tracking Spring opponent quality on a very low level way (10 being MLB, 8 AAA, 7 AA, 5 HiA, 4 full season A, 1.5 to 3 short season, 1 pitcher

 

Sanchez 8.3

Floyd 7.7

[TheHurl]

Cyborg or some other really smart guy...isn't it the curve ball that takes the greatest hit the more times a batter sees it in the game. I'm looking to respond to someone who said something stupid about this http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-consider-using-royals-rotation-model/ article.

[THANOS]

B-Ref is tracking Spring opponent quality on a very low level way (10 being MLB, 8 AAA, 7 AA, 5 HiA, 4 full season A, 1.5 to 3 short season, 1 pitcher

 

Sanchez 8.3

Floyd 7.7

 

So, based on that, Sanchez has faced more difficult competition than Floyd this spring and put up better numbers?

[Jimcanuck]

People in baseball higher on Sanchez than the BJMB hive.... figures.

[Angrioter]

Cyborg or some other really smart guy...isn't it the curve ball that takes the greatest hit the more times a batter sees it in the game. I'm looking to respond to someone who said something stupid about this http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-consider-using-royals-rotation-model/ article.

 

Good read. Who's that guy?

[TheHurl]

So, based on that, Sanchez has faced more difficult competition than Floyd this spring and put up better numbers?

 

Just thought I'd throw a little fuel on this fire.

 

Good read. Who's that guy?

 

I thought it was incomplete, but certainly better than most from Sportsnet.

[TheHurl]

People in baseball higher on Sanchez than the BJMB hive.... figures.

 

You say that like we aren't people in baseball. What is Kenny Ken's experience in comparison to mine?

[Krylian]

Is it a Jays scout that said that?

[burlingtonbandit]

If the Jays aren't going to put Sanchez in the rotation they should trade him because its obvious he has a good amount of value to other teams. Rockies should try to trade for him.